Please just start ignoring the fool.

Please just start ignoring the fool.
- Santo_44

Thats about it really. Paraphrasing Dorry...just keep scrolling, just keep scrolling...

same old story in here.

Mike Augello: Mr. Hyde returns, Leafs lackadaisical in loss to Sharks
- mikeinbuffalo

edit: nice alliteration 👍🏿

The point that keeps getting missed is that Andersen shouldn't have to be stellar for the Leafs to win games. The inherit flaw in how this team plays is that they EXPECT to be outplayed and outshot and yet still win the game because the goalie stood on his head. If the goalie has to stand on his head every game to win it, the team is doing something wrong.
- JohnFergusonJr

Pretty much every Stanley Cup winner has had an above average goalie. Leafs d isn't perfect but if you do watch a lot of the shots come from non dangerous spots. Confidence in your goaltender is huge. Right now leaf goaltenders aren't capable of doing this for the team. Despite this Leafs are still winning games. I personally think you put a high end .910% goalie on this team and they'd look much more dominate.

Pretty much every Stanley Cup winner has had an above average goalie. Leafs d isn't perfect but if you do watch a lot of the shots come from non dangerous spots. Confidence in your goaltender is huge. Right now leaf goaltenders aren't capable of doing this for the team. Despite this Leafs are still winning games. I personally think you put a high end .910% goalie on this team and they'd look much more dominate.
- bmoney411

Ya, I don’t think so...weak D lead to easier goals, EVERYONE keeps seeing and saying the D are poor but some how our save % should be the same as when the D are not weak?

5v5 .913% for FA

Maybe we need to have a better PK .848% for FA

🤷🏻‍♂️🥴


GO MOTHER (frank)ING LEAFS GO

You know what the difference is between .909 and .906 in terms of actual goals?

.003 is 3 more goals on 1000 shots. 1 extra goal every 333 shots. Or, 1 extra goal every 11 games at 33 shots a game.

The biggest problems are the defense and the coach, not the goalies.
- JohnFergusonJr

He's below league average. I don't know what else to tell you, but admitting you're wrong is the first step to salvation.

Ya, I don’t think so...weak D lead to easier goals, EVERYONE keeps seeing and saying the D are poor but some how our save % should be the same as when the D are not weak?

5v5 .913% for FA

Maybe we need to have a better PK .848% for FA

🤷🏻‍♂️🥴


GO MOTHER (frank)ING LEAFS GO
- Garnie

Our numbers as a team defensively are actually better this year. We're giving up a lot less shots on goal.

The blueline is weak. And it's not just the injuries. Even with a fully healthy lineup, the Leafs have very few players that defend well.

Leafs need a coach that can implement a system that allows fewer than 30 shots a game (something they haven't done since 2009/2010).

They need to start playing like Vegas. 34.4 shots for, 29.6 shots against, per game. That's how this Leafs team will succeed given how they are constructed.

Theodore / Schmidt
McNabb / Martinez
Merill / Holden

Whitecloud / Engelland

Cap hit: 22.85 AAV combined.

Does that look like a blueline that can keep teams to under 30 shots a game? Any better on paper than the Leafs? Difference is coaching.
- JohnFergusonJr

Vegas has gone 9-1, to get to 3 points ahead of the leafs with an extra game played.

If the Leafs play like Vegas they could be almost exactly where they are in the standings.

You also have Montreal, Carolina and LA who all are around the same as Vegas in shots/shot diff ...all Below the Leafs in the Standings.

The thing the Leafs have in common with all those teams is the Goalies have been less than great. The Canes just more recently

You fire up a lot of straw man arguments

Ya, I don’t think so...weak D lead to easier goals, EVERYONE keeps seeing and saying the D are poor but some how our save % should be the same as when the D are not weak?

5v5 .913% for FA

Maybe we need to have a better PK .848% for FA

🤷🏻‍♂️🥴


GO MOTHER (frank)ING LEAFS GO
- Garnie

Good d can't stop bad shots from going in. It's a goaltenders job to bail out teams when they make mistakes. Otherwise what's the point in having them.

If I'm using the logic some people use around here to blame Andersen, yes, it was Campbell's fault. 4 goals against, sub-.900 SV% therefore, blame the goalie.

But I agree, it wasn't Campbell's fault. He stood on his head for as long as he could. But he could only hold Helm's Deep for so long. It's the exact same bullpoop they do when Andersen is in net.

Like I said earlier, the blueline sucks, healthy or not. What needs to change is how they play. Vegas' blueline isn't better than the Leafs on paper. Where they are better however, is behind the bench. Peter DeBoer has them allowing 27 shots a game since he took over. There's no reason the Leafs can't play that way with who they have on this team.
- JohnFergusonJr

I like Vegas and think they are a good team, but all that has gotten them so far almost exactly tied with the Leafs in the Standings

Our numbers as a team defensively are actually better this year. We're giving up a lot less shots on goal.
- gravyface

Ok, I give up...


I’m seeing something completely different.

Who needs more shots when you score on the 1st 2 on 1?

It’s a merry - go - round in here with the goalie subject.


But anyways, most of us are here for the GO LEAFS GO.

👍

Morning

It’s not the number of shots, but the quality. There were many games under Babcock the last few years where we gave up 40 shots. If you just looked at that stat you would think ‘oh poop’ but if you actually watched teh game you would realize most of the shots where from the outside or the point and easy saves. I remember before this year the system they were playing the points were left wide open. They weren’t covering them at all...

The same is true on offence. We often don’t get a huge number of shots, but we get lots of high-quality chances usually...

Too me the issues go back to turnovers (from d-men screwing with the puck and constantly reversing it), and lack of recognition in key moments (bad pinches when the game is tied in teh 3rd) leading to odd-man rushes. Also, we need to learn to play for 60 minutes. Lots of these recent games are being lost in a stretch of 2-3 minutes...

I feel a win coming tonight... followed by a loss on Friday...

Ya, I don’t think so...weak D lead to easier goals, EVERYONE keeps seeing and saying the D are poor but some how our save % should be the same as when the D are not weak?

5v5 .913% for FA

Maybe we need to have a better PK .848% for FA

🤷🏻‍♂️🥴


GO MOTHER (frank)ING LEAFS GO
- Garnie

I think they desperately need a natural centreman that can PK. This double winger nonsense has never worked and no other team does it.

Ok, I give up...


I’m seeing something completely different.

Who needs more shots when you score on the 1st 2 on 1?

It’s a merry - go - round in here with the goalie subject.


But anyways, most of us are here for the GO LEAFS GO.

👍
- Garnie

Dallas is #2 at gaa in the League.

They give up 31.7 shots a game, Leafs 32
The Leafs actually have a positive shot differential and Dallas is negative

Dallas is also #1 in team sv%, and the Leafs are 26th
.920 vs .898

that huge of a variance cant simply be the Leafs give up worse chances.

The Leafs are not great, but looking at all the things I have, the leafs are pretty average..league wide.

https://twitter.com/Chart...tatus/1235225892550578176
https://twitter.com/Chart...tatus/1235207771777359872

anyways, I think the Leafs have had below average goalteding. watching the games and looking at many many stats show me thats the case, you cant really argue it.

Ok, I give up...


I’m seeing something completely different.

Who needs more shots when you score on the 1st 2 on 1?

It’s a merry - go - round in here with the goalie subject.


But anyways, most of us are here for the GO LEAFS GO.

👍
- Garnie

Just, you me and ....jfj on this ride.

I think a great example was dermott tieing up leblanc on a rebound against the sharks. No shot on net.

A guy like sandin would have looked like he wasn't there and it probably ends up in the net.

Freddy can't do the defence's job. It's okay that our 19 year old prospect is not ready and that we have help on the way.

Just, you me and ....jfj on this ride.

I think a great example was dermott tieing up leblanc on a rebound against the sharks. No shot on net.

A guy like sandin would have looked like he wasn't there and it probably ends up in the net.

Freddy can't do the defence's job. It's okay that our 19 year old prospect is not ready and that we have help on the way.
- Tumbleweed

That says a lot..

Why are we blaming our goaltending? Freddy hasn’t had the best season, but seriously?

Every commentator and hockey analyst on every station is saying the same things: our d-zone is a mess. Our d-core is poor. Our defensive awareness is horrid. Our guys constantly do fly bys and don’t check. We give up too many high quality chances... on and on... Is this just a coincidence?

Again, Freddy hasn’t had the best year, but like last night our problem was not in net...

Why are we blaming our goaltending? Freddy hasn’t had the best season, but seriously?

Every commentator and hockey analyst on every station is saying the same things: our d-zone is a mess. Our d-core is poor. Our defensive awareness is horrid. Our guys constantly do fly bys and don’t check. We give up too many high quality chances... on and on... Is this just a coincidence?

Again, Freddy hasn’t had the best year, but like last night our problem was not in net...
- Hockey_Reverend

Leafs didn't even play last night. Put the bong down and back away..

I was watching the Tampa/Boston game on Tuesday. I didn’t watch the whole thing, probably 2/3rds of teh game... I don’t remember Boston giving up more then one quality scoring chance? It sure looked easy for Rask. Defense perfected...

Leafs didn't even play last night. Put the bong down and back away..
- bixll

Tuesday... thanks... I pvr’d it and watched it yesterday... get it?

BTW remember when people argued with me when I said cap will be 95+ within 3 years?
- RogerRoeper

No.

Tuesday... thanks... I pvr’d it and watched it yesterday... get it?
- Hockey_Reverend

I get they didn't play yesterday. You get that ???

Just, you me and ....jfj on this ride.

I think a great example was dermott tieing up leblanc on a rebound against the sharks. No shot on net.

A guy like sandin would have looked like he wasn't there and it probably ends up in the net.

Freddy can't do the defence's job. It's okay that our 19 year old prospect is not ready and that we have help on the way.
- Tumbleweed

Has the Leafs' D been worse than usual? Sure. With Rielly and Muzzin and Ceci injured they've had to move a lot of people up in the line-up to compensate and they are not suited for the roles they're playing.

Does the Leafs' style lead to more odd man rushes against due to missed coverage in the opposition's zone? Yeah, I would say that it does. That said, when you watch a bunch of games, you'll see that every team pretty much loses coverage, misses assignments, and gives up odd man rushes and breakaways every game. Even the dreaded boogeyman, Boston. Not as many, I will wholly grant - but it happens to all teams just about every game when they're not playing Detroit.

An HD chance is an HD chance, and while the definition of one is broad or perhaps not specific enough to identify "really HD" vs "just HD", that broad range is applied to everyone equally.

In February, the league average number of HD chances against among contemporary goalies (goalies who had played at least 180 minutes at any strength) was 8.41. Andersen faced 8.95 HD shots / game; Campbell faced 7.91 by contrast.

In February, the league average save percentage among contemporary goalies (same definition) was .914. Freddy was .884. Campbell was .919.

In February, the league average GSAA among those contemporary goalies was .313 (this is notable, because it means that the average is slightly offset by the poorer goalies who didn't play at least 180 minutes in February). Freddy, in February, was -6.85. Only David Rittich in Calgary was worse in February at -7.37. Jack Campbell was 0.88.

The upshot of all of this is that while Campbell has not had as bad a time facing 1 fewer high danger chance / game in February, he was behind the same team, the same defense, and outperforming Freddy who has been absolutely abysmal.

A goaltender's job is hard. And the team in front of him should help out more than the Leafs' do. But it is not an excuse to not be doing your job to the best of your ability, and simply put: this is not the best of Andersen's ability by any stretch of the imagination.

I think they desperately need a natural centreman that can PK. This double winger nonsense has never worked and no other team does it.
- AdamFrench

Not sure why Matthews or Tavares (or even Spezza) can't get out there to win a draw and get off.

Also, Goat is playing surprisingly few minutes on the PK and is really good on the draw... am I missing something?