How bad do you think the 2017-2018 team would've been with JC behind the bench?

They were 33-39-10 under Q.

Look at the lineup...yeesh

https://www.hockey-refere...e.com/teams/CHI/2018.html

Fun Facts: Highmore played 13 games that season. Scott Foster played one less game than Colin Delia.

100% agree his blender method did work. Collitons blender method seems to have no merit other than truly being a blender of seemingly unrelated parts.
- catrisc

Q had better players, better players make the blender work.

Q had better players, better players make the blender work.
- rpeters01

So when CHi is the home team vs BOS.

And they start their top line which is the highest scoring line in the league

Is the best defensive options/matchup JC has to put out against that line include Nylander and Gustafson?

How bad do you think the 2017-2018 team would've been with JC behind the bench?

They were 33-39-10 under Q.

Look at the lineup...yeesh

https://www.hockey-refere...e.com/teams/CHI/2018.html

Fun Facts: Highmore played 13 games that season. Scott Foster played one less game than Colin Delia.
- catrisc

Doesn't really matter. Either way they miss the playoffs by a lot...

Hossa was like 30 when the Hawks acquired him and as he admits truly became a 200’ player while with the Wings and watching guys like Datsyuk and Zetterberg.

Sharp was like 23 or 24 when the Hawks acquired him and I’m pretty sure he didn’t bust the 20 goal mark until he was 25 or older.
- HawkintheD

Hawks didn't make the playoffs until Sharp improved either.

So when CHi is the home team vs BOS.

And they start their top line which is the highest scoring line in the league

Is the best defensive options/matchup JC has to put out against that line include Nylander and Gustafson?
- PatShart

Preferably with Strome and ADB.

Sharp at 24 yrs old, had 14g and 31pts.

Had 20g and 35pts at 25 yrs old
- PatShart

There's hope for Nylander.

Dont make me do more homework

I know 2 were moved for Shaw

They gave up Forsling and Forsberg to get DeHaan. Why make that move if they are rebuilding? Wouldnt have needed Lehner either
- PatShart

F & F were no good. DeHaan was to appear to be going for the playoffs, and didn't cost real prospects. Lehner cost money only, and brought back one ute and a pick.

Shaw was for tickets, and a bad move, imo.

Say hawks management does fire both jc and bowman who makes that decision and who replaces those two? Now as far as a coach it cannot be gallant or lavi your just bringing Q all over need a coach that develops young players while can communicate with the vets. Gm has to be someone no ties to the core and imo is a builder. So thoughts and opinions on who should replace bowman and JC.
- Scott1977

No one is replacing them now. That is because Bowman had a plan and McDonough will go along with it at least partially into the schedule next season.

Some red flags which could crop up NEXT season may be alarming enough to stir McDonough. & possibly Rocky too. Then, not now.

Fans need to not jump to conclusions and get emotionally upset since McDonough and Rocky are businessmen who know about business cycles and how plans are not easily met. They know there is high expectations yet they know it is difficult for a team doing a rebuild on the fly to just tread water.

They see and hear or at certain time in a season do receive opinions and review from others within organization You do not know if in the organizational pow wow held after their NHL season ends but before the draft, if Bowman reports on the shape of things and updates his plans in a meeting with McDonough or even Rocky - probably Rocky not present.

No one is naive enough to see that the team has not done well. But focus is upon accentuating the positive. Not over the trade deadline failures. Because if asked to explain that, Stan can honestly say a lot of what transpired he could not have altered the outcome. He was no doubt willing to be fair at the very last moment because he wanted to come out of the trade deadline with good results. The FACT is that it takes two to tango and you cannot tell another GM what to do or if they are not too bright.

Blaming Stan in this trade deadline is short- sighted and emotional frustration. Which is normal for fans to experience. We have greater expectation and we get caught up in the moment. If this was a term paper or a graduate study done by an impartial panel of experienced hockey executives, they would say that Stan did what he could. We are just upset and want to place blame

Place blame on those bad contracts but even with that , how much better would you or someone else have done in negotiations. Would you have contract hold outs. Looking foolsh in McDonough glitzy promotions, unsigned players sitting out games, eh

No doubt Stan has some mistakes but not each one of such magnitude as we want to say

I would say though Re: next season that players unprepared to play and a system not working, pp dismal too - will become a very big headache and might cause Bowman or Colliton to change or get canned. Need to see progress after a while.

I think you're correct, this year - I "over-spoke" about him - but I recall him in the past doing what I mentioned.

I will retract my statement about him, tho....
- StLBravesFan

LOL, no worries. It's all good discussion!

F & F were no good. DeHaan was to appear to be going for the playoffs, and didn't cost real prospects. Lehner cost money only, and brought back one ute and a pick.

Shaw was for tickets, and a bad move, imo.
- mohel

I agree F &F weren't good

But they were young, cost controlled players. Why trade then for a 30yr old injury prone Dman if you are "rebuilding"?

He traded a superstar in Panarin to get Forsberg - and then doenst play him in the NHL when they are allegedly rebuilding?

Forsberg isnt good, I'm not arguing that. But they gave up a lot for him as a 25yrs old, and gave up on him after 35gms doesnt scream rebuild to me

Has there been another team in history that has had a top 10 PK and also been one of the worst teams in their dzone on 5 on 5?

I'm not surprised because they play two COMPLETELY different styles for each one. Thought that was interesting.

I agree F &F weren't good

But they were young, cost controlled players. Why trade then for a 30yr old injury prone Dman if you are "rebuilding"?

He traded a superstar in Panarin to get Forsberg - and then doenst play him in the NHL when they are allegedly rebuilding?

Forsberg isnt good, I'm not arguing that. But they gave up a lot for him as a 25yrs old, and gave up on him after 35gms doesnt scream rebuild to me
- PatShart

Asked and answered. To appear to be going for the playoffs in order to sell tickets.

Again, not my preferred route, but that's what is happening, imo.

To take a break from lamenting the state of the Blackhawks.

Any chance they can free up $ to go sign Torey Krug for the blue line?

The Athletic reporting he might not be resigned, and would cost $7-8M as a FA.

Asked and answered. To appear to be going for the playoffs in order to sell tickets.

Again, not my preferred route, but that's what is happening, imo.
- mohel

I guess I don't know how you acquire multiple players to "appear" to make the playoffs while rebuilding at the same time

To take a break from lamenting the state of the Blackhawks.

Any chance they can free up $ to go sign Torey Krug for the blue line?

The Athletic reporting he might not be resigned, and would cost $7-8M as a FA.
- scottak

No

To take a break from lamenting the state of the Blackhawks.

Any chance they can free up $ to go sign Torey Krug for the blue line?

The Athletic reporting he might not be resigned, and would cost $7-8M as a FA.
- scottak

No way we can withstand another massive contract. This team needs to unload Seabrook ASAP or pray to god that he becomes a new player with his bionic hip.

I agree F &F weren't good

But they were young, cost controlled players. Why trade then for a 30yr old injury prone Dman if you are "rebuilding"?

He traded a superstar in Panarin to get Forsberg - and then doenst play him in the NHL when they are allegedly rebuilding?

Forsberg isnt good, I'm not arguing that. But they gave up a lot for him as a 25yrs old, and gave up on him after 35gms doesnt scream rebuild to me
- PatShart

Forsberg was an RFA, you had at least Delia and Lankanin as the AHL goalies, he was taking up a space on the 50 man, he wasn't going anywhere in the system, why would you not Jettison him in a trade, if you probably would of non-tendered him anyway.

No way we can withstand another massive contract. This team needs to unload Seabrook ASAP or pray to god that he becomes a new player with his bionic hip.
- catrisc

What if you move Saad out, and go with CC as your starter? Saad’s $6m plus spending less that $11 M in net gives them enough to sign Krug, with some left over.

Forsberg was an RFA, you had at least Delia and Lankanin as the AHL goalies, he was taking up a space on the 50 man, he wasn't going anywhere in the system, why would you not Jettison him in a trade, if you probably would of non-tendered him anyway.
- LAHawk

Then why sign Lehner to fill a G spot for 5mil if you are on a rebuild while letting a 26yr old you just traded a rather big player for?

I am NOT arguing for Forsberg...but doesnt make sense if rebuilding is the goal/plan, IMO

Bowman:s tenure is now be at tjje point of.meefing to step up again. He did so since last summer. You may not have agreed with his timeline for various transactions. But there was a plan and it was sensible

The coaching fiasco and the bad contracts are likely going to haunt Bowman until he does something about them. Both probably "play out" into and possibly through next season. But if not making a stronger playoff push it could be a hot seat for the head coach and GM.

European signings, the Lehner sign and now his trade, prospects developing: each is a positive. Just not to the degree perhaps that you wish to see

This 2020 draft and tinkering with the roster has to be a win win. And prospects need to arrive and be impact driving pieces as the quality of players on the roster improves

Then why sign Lehner to fill a G spot for 5mil if you are on a rebuild while letting a 26yr old you just traded a rather big player for?

I am NOT arguing for Forsberg...but doesnt make sense if rebuilding is the goal/plan, IMO
- PatShart

Because you were hoping Lehner played well and to flip him at this trade deadline, which they did. Remember, Stan said he did not go to any players asking to rescind their NMC, so they had no thought of moving Crawford.

And Forsberg plain did not work out, he had his tryout with the big team, they decided he was not NHL worthy.

How bad do you think the 2017-2018 team would've been with JC behind the bench?

They were 33-39-10 under Q.

Look at the lineup...yeesh

https://www.hockey-refere...e.com/teams/CHI/2018.html

Fun Facts: Highmore played 13 games that season. Scott Foster played one less game than Colin Delia.
- catrisc

Jurco!!!!

I guess I don't know how you acquire multiple players to "appear" to make the playoffs while rebuilding at the same time
- PatShart

Far better to tear it down and start over, imo. It is a soft rebuild without admitting it (for fear of the revenue loss). Make it look like you're going for the playoffs without giving up anything significant for the future (although they did so with Shaw). Forsling, Forsberg and Kahun were probably not going to be on the team after the retooling is complete anyway. I think those guys should have been traded for picks or young guys.

No one is replacing them now. That is because Bowman had a plan and McDonough will go along with it at least partially into the schedule next season.

Some red flags which could crop up NEXT season may be alarming enough to stir McDonough. & possibly Rocky too. Then, not now.

Fans need to not jump to conclusions and get emotionally upset since McDonough and Rocky are businessmen who know about business cycles and how plans are not easily met. They know there is high expectations yet they know it is difficult for a team doing a rebuild on the fly to just tread water.

They see and hear or at certain time in a season do receive opinions and review from others within organization You do not know if in the organizational pow wow held after their NHL season ends but before the draft, if Bowman reports on the shape of things and updates his plans in a meeting with McDonough or even Rocky - probably Rocky not present.

No one is naive enough to see that the team has not done well. But focus is upon accentuating the positive. Not over the trade deadline failures. Because if asked to explain that, Stan can honestly say a lot of what transpired he could not have altered the outcome. He was no doubt willing to be fair at the very last moment because he wanted to come out of the trade deadline with good results. The FACT is that it takes two to tango and you cannot tell another GM what to do or if they are not too bright.

Blaming Stan in this trade deadline is short- sighted and emotional frustration. Which is normal for fans to experience. We have greater expectation and we get caught up in the moment. If this was a term paper or a graduate study done by an impartial panel of experienced hockey executives, they would say that Stan did what he could. We are just upset and want to place blame

Place blame on those bad contracts but even with that , how much better would you or someone else have done in negotiations. Would you have contract hold outs. Looking foolsh in McDonough glitzy promotions, unsigned players sitting out games, eh

No doubt Stan has some mistakes but not each one of such magnitude as we want to say

I would say though Re: next season that players unprepared to play and a system not working, pp dismal too - will become a very big headache and might cause Bowman or Colliton to change or get canned. Need to see progress after a while.
- jhawk59

So by thanksgiving if no real improvement then changes to gm and coach would have to happen imo. Lets how the offseason goes and go from there.