Whoa hold the phone.

You can’t give Grundstrom that slack and not Sandin
- Dozzer

You can and you will if your sole purpose is to convince the HB world that the glass is half empty.

It's like a perpetual loop of the Doug and Wendy Whiner skit from SNL.

He’s reaching that age where GMs would rather give the icetime to guys they drafted, rather than a guy they acquired as a trade throw-in.
- Atomic Wedgie

Basically.

My guess is he'll be in europe on his next contract.

Real teams fold like a cheap lawn chair when faced with adversity and in a playoff spot with 18 games to go in the season.

Quitting: it's what winners do.
- gravyface

Tampa shoulda blown it up after last year.

You can and you will if your sole purpose is to convince the HB world that the glass is half empty.

It's like a perpetual loop of the Doug and Wendy Whiner skit from SNL.
- The Law

He obviously has one set of standards for the players he likes and another for the ones he doesn’t. It’s pretty transparent. If only he could see that.

He obviously has one set of standards for the players he likes and another for the ones he doesn’t. It’s pretty transparent. If only he could see that.
- Dozzer

I saw it with Komarov.

I still did it.

I would do it again.

But I knew I was unhinged.

Tampa shoulda blown it up after last year.
- Atomic Wedgie

Speaking of TB... any word on stamkos?

That’s not the dumbest thing I have heard today.

Not eligible for playoffs, but stopgap until Muzzin or Rielly returns.

No, seriously.
- Atomic Wedgie

If I am the Leafs I would look at it.

I don't think I see the motivation from Phaneuf's perspective

i would make this deal in a second.
- ghetto puck

It seems early to be into the tequila. I think it makes you cranky.

Holl has been performing very well as a 5/6 guy, and doing the role passably in a #4 capacity. By the way, he was also a 2nd round pick since this is somehow important to your arguments.

I'm going off memory here, but Grundstrom always projected to have a ceiling as a 3rd line player if he made the NHL. He had some physicality to his play, and he had an NHL calibre shot.

Just to round out that Muzzin trade:

Durzi projected as a possible PP2 QB and the potential to be a top-4 guy, but there was a lot of doubt that that would ever come to pass. He had a long way to go and a short time to get there, so to speak. This year, as an offensive defenseman, he didn't really light it up on the Reign and was being passed by other prospects in the system.

If I recall the revised post-draft projections on Bjornfot, he was adjusted to be considered a potential second pair guy, so that would be good for LA if he gets there - which will probably take a few years, so lets' say by 2022 or maybe 2023 he makes it to the 2nd pair.

The Leafs had Muzzin last year, this year, and continuing beyond. He is providing value NOW which is what we want.

This is not a bad trade to make. It's all about where you are with your team, your development, your needs. Sometimes the farm is more important and sometimes the active roster is more important.

Right now I'd take Muzzin over Grundstrom, Durzi and Bjornfot.

I'd also take Holl over Grundstrom.

Real teams fold like a cheap lawn chair when faced with adversity and in a playoff spot with 18 games to go in the season.

Quitting: it's what winners do.
- gravyface

A little dramatic. The players quit many times this season.

If I am the Leafs I would look at it.

I don't think I see the motivation from Phaneuf's perspective
- Aetherial

Maybe Dubas will give him every penny he has left in available cap space? Could be a decent little payday for less than 20 games

He obviously has one set of standards for the players he likes and another for the ones he doesn’t. It’s pretty transparent. If only he could see that.
- Dozzer

And to take it one step further ....

There seems to be a random connection between the ones he likes being the ones Dubas has traded away and the one's he dislikes being the ones Dubas has acquired.

This applies to players, prospects, and generally any decision.

Speaking of TB... any word on stamkos?
- Dozzer

Jesus....who the hell let you back in? Damn kids are always leaving the doors open. You still practising that failed engineering stuff....I think they call it civil engineering






Welcome back chief. Bloated and I may keep you busy if the Leafs miss the playoffs, or if they do something crazy and lose to a Zamboni driver

I’m not gonna last long.
- Steven_Seagull

Not the first time you said that I imagine.

Not the first time you said that I imagine.
- Aetherial

You don't actually say it. She'll find out soon enough.

i would make this deal in a second.
- ghetto puck

Yes, we know.

It explains why people feel the way they do about your opinions.

You don't actually say it. She'll find out soon enough.
- Monkeypunk

If you say it, at least she won't be unpleasantly surprised to go along with disappointed.

Of course, I can only guess that that is true.

And to take it one step further ....

There seems to be a random connection between the ones he likes being the ones Dubas has traded away and the one's he dislikes being the ones Dubas has acquired.

This applies to players, prospects, and generally any decision.
- The Law

Yeah... bias is far more obvious than people realize 100%

Not the first time you said that I imagine.
- Aetherial

Ask your wife.



She still laughs at me.

Jesus....who the hell let you back in? Damn kids are always leaving the doors open. You still practising that failed engineering stuff....I think they call it civil engineering


Welcome back chief. Bloated and I may keep you busy if the Leafs miss the playoffs, or if they do something crazy and lose to a Zamboni driver
- LeftCoaster

I’m back because I’m unable to work. I got diagnosed with epilepsy about 5 years back and it’s blown up my life. Can’t work in road construction as a project manager when you’re not allowed to drive (rightfully so considering the nature of my seizures). But since the meds aren’t taking I can’t work now and it’s hospital visit after hospital visit to prep for brain surgery. Spent two weeks in an epilepsy ward in January... man that sucked.

Funny thing is... all those years you guys kept saying I had brain damage and I actually do!!!

Good thing we added Norris trophy candidate Calle Rosen

Let’s stay away from the “your mom giving a blow job” gifs please and thanks

Good thing we added Norris trophy candidate Calle Rosen
- Azuredoom

Oh you ....Nice try, I smell you sarcasm miles away.

Ask your wife.



She still laughs at me.
- Steven_Seagull

I thought it was me

So why are you upset about losing him then exactly?
- Dozzer

when did i say i was upset at losing him? yet another poor interpretation.

If only we could trade Grunstrom for Holl.

Can't win with Holl on your bottom pair, so we have to get rid of him somehow.
- Aetherial

don't have to worry about Holl on the bottom pair - currently he's the Leafs #1