This is what happens when you don’t have refs in here.
- Dongull_Trump

that wasn’t his point and you damn well know it
- Dozzer

florida are not serious cup contenders.they aren't even in a playoff spot.

Yeah because a referee would be best friends with a guy who has multiple accounts and tells people to kill themselves.
- JohnFergusonJr

Off a cliff.

Uggie calling people out for having multiple accounts.

Oh that's (frank)ing adorable. 🤣🤣🤣

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that he means that Holl has likely reached his potential and that in order for the team to be competitive, the defense should be composed of a combination of younger highly ranked d-men with upside and veterans with years of experience playing hockey at the highest level, and that Holl, while a capable defenseman, doesn't fit either of those criteria. That while he is capable of playing in the NHL, he's not ideally suited to being relied upon to take this team through 3 rounds of playoff hockey.
- TheMussel

Ideally, you'd like Liljegren to outplay him ASAP so the Leafs can save that 2 AAV.

But until then, he's a useful bottom pairing guy.

- Dozzer

I didn’t say former ref.

Uggie calling people out for having multiple accounts.

Oh that's (frank)ing adorable. 🤣🤣🤣
- joel878

Is this one of those barely won, almost lost conversations?


(just trying to gauge my buzz)

Ideally, you'd like Liljegren to outplay him ASAP so the Leafs can save that 2 AAV.

But until then, he's a useful bottom pairing guy.
- JohnFergusonJr

I mean, ideally the Leafs find 6 #1 d-men, but they have what they have and I don't see GMs lining up to give away a scarce resource in the NHL.

Leafs gotta play the best players they have in the program.

Once Rielly, Ceci, Muzzin are back, we're back to:

Rielly-Ceci
Muzzin-Barrie
Dermott/Sandin-Holl

no... actually you did... by making a moronic argument that anyone, who hasn't been a "cup contender" is basically - and I'll summarize - crap.

therefore you are saying that Holl and Ekblad are both unproven - never having won the cup or come close.

since its relatively late in the evening for an olde man such as myself... I'll leave it at that...

you are being argumentative for absolutely no reason.... promise me you'll stay and argue with yourself or your alts after we're all gone this evening


- BorjeFan4Ever

never said any of that, your interpretations are that of a simpleton.

I mean, ideally the Leafs find 6 #1 d-men, but they have what they have and I don't see GMs lining up to give away a scarce resource in the NHL.
- TheMussel

What about six 2nd pairing D who all play 20 min a game each and all make 5 AAV each?

Is this one of those barely won, almost lost conversations?


(just trying to gauge my buzz)
- underhill14

no... its not that sophisticated.

actually, its just plain stupid.

never said any of that, your interpretations are that of a simpleton.
- ghetto puck

holl will have to win a cup playing regular minutes to prove your statement correct. since he hasn't, he is not good enough to play defense on a serious cup contending team.
- ghetto puck

What about six 2nd pairing D who all play 20 min a game each and all make 5 AAV each?
- JohnFergusonJr

has that nerd dubas figured out a way to clone muzzin 5 times yet?

This is what happens when you don’t have refs in here.
- Dongull_Trump

to ban people like you telling people to kill themselves and light themselves on fire over a 6 vs 1 hockey discussion + plus 2 useless feeders sitting on the sidline trying instigate further drama.

no... its not that sophisticated.

actually, its just plain stupid.
- BorjeFan4Ever

via GIPHY

florida are not serious cup contenders.they aren't even in a playoff spot.
- ghetto puck

That’s not even close to having anything to do with what he’s even talking about

You made the argument that you can’t be considered a piece on a contender unless you’ve been a piece on a contender. So based on this logic ANY player who hasn’t played on a contender has proven that they’re capable of being a piece on a contender.

So......using that line of thinking Ekblad has proven as much as Holl has.

That’s the argument you made.

to ban people like you telling people to kill themselves and light themselves on fire over a 6 vs 1 hockey discussion + plus 2 useless feeders sitting on the sidline trying instigate further drama.
- ghetto puck

Obvious troll is obvious.

has that nerd dubas figured out a way to clone muzzin 5 times yet?
- TheMussel

I'm kinda saying that was his plan and it failed.

Rielly / Ceci
Muzzin / Barrie
Dermott / Holl

More or less, that's basically a bunch of 2nd pairing D getting 3-5 AAV each with Rielly being better and Dermott being worse that kind of cancel each other out.

to ban people like you telling people to kill themselves and light themselves on fire over a 6 vs 1 hockey discussion + plus 2 useless feeders sitting on the sidline trying instigate further drama.
- ghetto puck

Just log out. Remember? 🤷‍♂️

Ideally, you'd like Liljegren to outplay him ASAP so the Leafs can save that 2 AAV.

But until then, he's a useful bottom pairing guy.
- JohnFergusonJr

liljegren sandin combined -5 tonight, lilj -3.

I didn’t say former ref.
- Dongull_Trump

I mean, ideally the Leafs find 6 #1 d-men, but they have what they have and I don't see GMs lining up to give away a scarce resource in the NHL.

Leafs gotta play the best players they have in the program.

Once Rielly, Ceci, Muzzin are back, we're back to:

Rielly-Ceci
Muzzin-Barrie
Dermott/Sandin-Holl
- TheMussel

not serious cup contenders

Just log out. Remember? 🤷‍♂️
- joel878

He’s only here to troll and argue.

I'm kinda saying that was his plan and it failed.

Rielly / Ceci
Muzzin / Barrie
Dermott / Holl

More or less, that's basically a bunch of 2nd pairing D getting 3-5 AAV each with Rielly being better and Dermott being worse that kind of cancel each other out.
- JohnFergusonJr

I never knew I'd sort of miss Ceci

As long as the M word is never spoken again, I'm good