Do u make $$ off selling your 300level seats?
- jdfitz77

The Paper I wipe my A$$ with has more value then my Sabres tickets.

Reinhart for Hertl. Then Risto, prospect and 2020 1st for Gaudreau. Very simple summer.
- buffalokb

Why would Calgary do that?

Unless that prospect is Cozens there is absolutely no reason they would say yes to that

Reinhart for Hertl. Then Risto, prospect and 2020 1st for Gaudreau. Very simple summer.
- buffalokb

Hertl probably could be had for our 1st + a middle prospect. SJ gave away their lottery pick to Ottawa, the opportunity to recoup it would be too good to miss.

Keep Reinhart at 7, trade Risto to recoup a later first/ early second round pick and save cap space, and sign Hoffman for 4/28M

Olofsson Eichel Reinhart
Skinner Hertl Hoffman
Vesey Cozens Kahun
Okposo Asplund Girgensons

Make the playoffs!

If the Flames are gonna blow it up,
my target would be Monahan over Gaudreau
- jdfitz77

My target, and this will be unpopular, is Mikael Granlund. I know his stats aren't eye popping, but he could fill in at 2C until one of the kids is ready, and will be free with a cap of 4ish give or take. Here's why. He played up tempo in Minny, and put up the stats, but now is playing in defense scheme in Nash thus lowering his offensive production. Maybe I'm wrong on this, just seems that most O players there seem to dip in production. I think he's a serviceable stop gap that's actually a center unlike who we thought MaJo would be. Basically, he's the center version of MaJo, which is a 3C at the 3C cost, that can fill in for 2C until a kid is ready. Ok guys, flame the poop away of my idea as I've wanted to post it for a couple weeks but knew it'd be knee capped the moment I did.

Assuming this wasn't 100% all snark, some viable options:

Free Agents:
Derick Brassard - more of a Berglund type stopgap, but a useful player

Backstrom - still good for 70+ points, likely resigns in Wash?
- I think he just resigned there or was close to resigning

Eric Haula - good two way center
- ya, I like him, kinda like Bonino down below, 3C not enough production for 2C
- gotta believe Florida will try to resign him given the TDL trade

Mike Hoffman can play center as well
-old, wing to center has been tried, would take him on my right wing though if contract was reasonable cost and term..but man that would be an expensive 2nd line

Granlund
- for me, I'd seriously consider it, but hope his Contract term and AVV aren't crazy...he's had a down year this season, does he bounce back to levels with Minny? Kinda reminds me a bit of the questions around Trocheck who was cost controlled for the next 2 years on a Great contract.


Trade Options:
Eric Staal - one year left at 3.25, probably not hard to get. At 35 he still has 18G 26A this season. Will come close to 60P
- he has a NMC in Minny and has stated he isn't moving, no desire to.

Blake Coleman/Yanni Gourde/Brayden Point - Hard to see Tampa needing all these guys with Stamkos, my bet is Gourde for a D may be available in a few months.
- Gourde is a 4th liner, NTC, older, production not there on stacked team...I do love his skating and speed though
- Coleman is playing Wing
- Point, absolutely yes...IMO no way they move him, but he is one of a few without the NTC

Alex Kerfoot - If the leafs get bounced there will be a roster revision, and Kerfoot might be the piece to go.
- 3rd liner, 35 pts +

Backlund/Monahan - If Calgary is bounced in the first round, there are probably big shakeup moves coming. Either of this guys could be part of a big trade. Might need to include your top 10 pick for Monahan among other pieces.
- would love Monahan he fits and exceeds profile. Backlund would work as placeholder for me...age of 30 doesn't fit the desired profile though

Adam Henrique - Anaheim is probably going to try a rebuild
-older than desired w/ 4 years...when does he decline...wouldn't be my 1st choice, but in desperation may have to strongly consider it

Anisimov - Bit overpaid, but would probably be not too hard to get. Only one year left which isn't a big risk.
- doesn't fit the profile age, production, term

Nick Bonino- Probably Nashville will be retooling a bit, I can see them open to this trade.
- matty12345

- I like Bonino and would consider it my self. But he is like Anisimov and doesn't fit profile


Not snarky at all actually.
Thanks for the response, seriously.
My feedback i inserted above for each option isn't intended to shoot down options, rather to shine a light on where their profile isn't a match for the desired 2C profile...so, some give and takes would be necessary. That was the question I posed...who are all these options that are better. I also didn't look into the Advanced Stats, which may change things for the good, or for the bad.


I have combed through the rosters several times during different parts of the season, even created my own database by combining different data from CapFriendly, Hockey-Reference, and Natural Stat Trick. So, based on that there just aren't that many that fit that profile (I used PPG of 0.65 - 0.85 over 2 years).

I mean, there are options out there, and you named quite a few....but I don't see many that fit the desired profile. There are alot of very knowledgeable posters here, yet I'm a bit stunned at the cavalier attitude and the dismissal of concern for reasons related to they can do better.

My target, and this will be unpopular, is Mikael Granlund. I know his stats aren't eye popping, but he could fill in at 2C until one of the kids is ready, and will be free with a cap of 4ish give or take. Here's why. He played up tempo in Minny, and put up the stats, but now is playing in defense scheme in Nash thus lowering his offensive production. Maybe I'm wrong on this, just seems that most O players there seem to dip in production. I think he's a serviceable stop gap that's actually a center unlike who we thought MaJo would be. Basically, he's the center version of MaJo, which is a 3C at the 3C cost, that can fill in for 2C until a kid is ready. Ok guys, flame the poop away of my idea as I've wanted to post it for a couple weeks but knew it'd be knee capped the moment I did.
- SDSabre

I want a real #2 center, Go get RNH. Risto, my protected first and Mitts

The Paper I wipe my A$$ with has more value then my Sabres tickets.
- hehateme

So, you new business model is finding a market for poop coated RP?
I mean, I guess so.

What he’s doing this year is being punished for practice habits. Which as a 10 year vet, who’s consistently been a very good player, it’s downright bonkers.

Our coach is worried more about practice habits, and people like Zach Bogosian’s feelings, rather than winning hockey games.

He’s a bad coach
- sbroads24

all of this

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- IonSabres

Cool. What’s the name of the stock? Since nothing sabres related excites me, all the stock talk has got me excited about buying some. You can pm me if u want. Or just mention it here

Why would Calgary do that?

Unless that prospect is Cozens there is absolutely no reason they would say yes to that
- Stripes77

There’s talk about Calgary blowing it up this offseason if they don’t at least win a round or 2

Reinhart for Hertl. Then Risto, prospect and 2020 1st for Gaudreau. Very simple summer.
- buffalokb

No way in hell Calgary does this.

There’s talk about Calgary blowing it up this offseason if they don’t at least win a round or 2
- jdfitz77

Trading Hamilton was a huge error.

I want a real #2 center, Go get RNH. Risto, my protected first and Mitts
- hehateme

Granlund is maybe half a tier behind RNH. Their career numbers are actually pretty close. Take out what he's done with Nash the last year and a half where they focus on winning games 1-0 or 2-1 and look at his Minny stats, he's right their with the Reindeer that can do no wrong (Not a slap at you, just always thought they guy looked goofy with his long neck)

My target, and this will be unpopular, is Mikael Granlund. I know his stats aren't eye popping, but he could fill in at 2C until one of the kids is ready, and will be free with a cap of 4ish give or take. Here's why. He played up tempo in Minny, and put up the stats, but now is playing in defense scheme in Nash thus lowering his offensive production. Maybe I'm wrong on this, just seems that most O players there seem to dip in production. I think he's a serviceable stop gap that's actually a center unlike who we thought MaJo would be. Basically, he's the center version of MaJo, which is a 3C at the 3C cost, that can fill in for 2C until a kid is ready. Ok guys, flame the poop away of my idea as I've wanted to post it for a couple weeks but knew it'd be knee capped the moment I did.
- SDSabre

Depends on the cost
For example:
If Monahan is Cozens + a 1st
And Backlund is McCabe + a 2nd
Then we’ve got a tough decision on our hands

Backlund is a decent low end 2C,
who could transition to a good 3C when Cozens passes him
So i don’t hate the idea

But if we can get Monahan for day Mitts, Samuelsson and not this years 1st...
Then i think we gotta consider spending the extra assets for the better (and younger) player

Depends on the cost
For example:
If Monahan is Cozens + a 1st
And Backlund is McCabe + a 2nd
Then we’ve got a tough decision on our hands

Backlund is a decent low end 2C,
who could transition to a good 3C when Cozens passes him
So i don’t hate the idea

But if we can get Monahan for day Mitts, Samuelsson and not this years 1st...
Then i think we gotta consider spending the extra assets for the better (and younger) player
- jdfitz77

Granlund is free. UFA. But agreed if the price isn't STEEP get the better guy.

My target, and this will be unpopular, is Mikael Granlund. I know his stats aren't eye popping, but he could fill in at 2C until one of the kids is ready, and will be free with a cap of 4ish give or take. Here's why. He played up tempo in Minny, and put up the stats, but now is playing in defense scheme in Nash thus lowering his offensive production. Maybe I'm wrong on this, just seems that most O players there seem to dip in production. I think he's a serviceable stop gap that's actually a center unlike who we thought MaJo would be. Basically, he's the center version of MaJo, which is a 3C at the 3C cost, that can fill in for 2C until a kid is ready. Ok guys, flame the poop away of my idea as I've wanted to post it for a couple weeks but knew it'd be knee capped the moment I did.
- SDSabre

My only criticism would be that he's probably gonna get a lot of cash for a lot of time. Maybe not as much as Hayes, but a lot. That said if they're unable to swing a trade at the draft, you'd have to consider it

To be fair:
Mitts down - Mitts was the same
McCabe down - McCabe is playing almost the exact same as last year.
Miller down - Miller was scratched in Vegas and had a rough year in 2018-2019
Risto down - This is easily Risto's best season.
Montour down - Injuries, +16 this year, really about the same

- matty12345

Each of these guys have produced less. Less points and a lesser shot generation rate.

Enough for me to say they're trending down. If you want to say they stayed the same, you can certainly argue that. Miller has shown flashes now. Mitts may have just been unavoidable.

I just don't see much "good" done by Ralph. We needed some of these guys to get their poop together. Log Line did, I'll give him credit for that even though they were doing much of the same things last season too.

My only criticism would be that he's probably gonna get a lot of cash for a lot of time. Maybe not as much as Hayes, but a lot
- jcragcrumple

Well yes, if that's the case walk away. He signed a 5.75M/3 years after getting 69 points though. So guess we'll see.

Trading Hamilton was a huge error.
- BINGO!

That (supposedly) had to do with some weird locker room stuff & him not getting along with the guys there
But yeah, I’m sure u guys are quite happy
Hanifin is no slouch either though

Do u make $$ off selling your 300level seats?
- jdfitz77

Basically pays for me to go to 25-30 games.

@$30 sometimes you sell 8 at $90 each
Toronto and Christmas games.

The weaker games, you give away to family ect.

8 great seats together is unique.

When the Sabres suck, which is often, it's a tough business. I'm foolish, being a season ticket holder is something you dream about as a kid.

Nostalgia cost $

YES!!! We signed Skinner, we all need to get over it, and for the record if we would of let him walk this board would of went ape poop. We all have figured out by now that Skinner needs a capable center to be productive, he never was and never will be able to drive his own line. Why ppl are expecting this is beyond me.

it is up to Botts to figure this poop out.
- hehateme

Agreee. But he has CTE.

Play the guy with Eichel. What more do u need?

I could have a 50 goal scorer and a 40 goal scorer on the same line.

Nope. I need to teacher German character to skinner. Team must suffer. I am coach I am right.

The only point proven is skinny needs eichs not slobootka or whatever ahl loser we have in his place. Why would u want a rookie scoring that much since u will end up having to pay him eventually?

We could be in playoffs now if skinny was scoring the goals.

Well yes, if that's the case walk away. He signed a 5.75M/3 years after getting 69 points though. So guess we'll see.
- SDSabre

I think we all know they're going to have to spend in terms of assets, or cap hit or both to acquire that guy, whoever he is. That's just how it works. If the Sabres are too worried about losing their prime prospects in a trade, then they're going to have to pay someone like him 6x6+

Granlund is free. UFA. But agreed if the price isn't STEEP get the better guy.
- SDSabre

Granlund has also been playing on the Wing for years now
Is he really a Center?

Agreee. But he has CTE.

Play the guy with Eichel. What more do u need?

I could have a 50 goal scorer and a 40 goal scorer on the same line.

Nope. I need to teacher German character to skinner. Team must suffer. I am coach I am right.

The only point proven is skinny needs eichs not slobootka or whatever ahl loser we have in his place. Why would u want a rookie scoring that much since u will end up having to pay him eventually?

We could be in playoffs now if skinny was scoring the goals.
- Da_Cashman

Skinny needs eich
Eich doesnt need skinny

I like the olo - eich 1-2

Need skinny and a 2c

Regardless, this is on skinny. More than the coach.

He needs to score on his abundance of chances

Granlund is free. UFA. But agreed if the price isn't STEEP get the better guy.
- SDSabre

My fault... i originally thought u were talking about Backlund from CGY