My son just made money on a new Bio/Pharm company that apparently has a pipeline if new vaccines going through testing and apparently doing well. Bough in when they were like $0.90 per...it is up to $1.60 so far today ... expected to get to $9.00 per. We shall see, could end up being just temporary paper gains.
- IonSabres

Good stuff, kid must be smart like his Mom?

😁😀🙂

Then why is the coach displeased with his work habits?
I don't think its pathetic for fans or coaches to be a bit upset when they see/hear a player being paid 9mill is being lazy and not committed in practice.
Is it the worst thing in the world? Hell no. But it is surprising how many on hear think its ok to loaf around at practice.
If Jeff had 30 some goals I couldn't care less what he does in practice, because he is still performing when it matters but when the guys has less than 15 goals and is also dogging it at practice, its a real bad look.
- Sabres1523

because he has 12 goals... Let me ask you this, if Skinner has 20-25 goals right now, do you care about his practice habits?

Update, i should of read your whole post... My bad

just found out my friends seats went up 20%

he's not happy
- navinrjohnson

Uh oh...a navin sighting

Damn clown

I don't care if he is or is not, ppl biotching about practice habits of a player is crazy... Nobody said poop last year when he was scoring 40 goals for this team, now he is having a down year and the sky is falling....

he averages 25 a year, 40 was an explosion for him. On a good line with a capable center and #1 PP time I would expect 30-40 from him.
- hehateme

That is literally the issue, if he had 30 some goals right now, I doubt this even comes up.
But he is having a very down year and his work ethic is also being questioned, the two on their own aren't bad, but when they are both happening at the same time, you wonder if the lack of effort in practice leads to the less than desirable on ice performance.

I think the shoot twice side will have 0 sth and the shoot once will have them
- hubie

At one point 300-326 1st two rows were $2 more a game than a few 100 level seat.

At one point 300-326 1st two rows were $2 more a game than a few 100 level seat.
- dadeadhead

Yup it's why I moved up 2 rows when I got my seasons

Corners of the 300's are the best seats/bang for you buck deal in the house

That is literally the issue, if he had 30 some goals right now, I doubt this even comes up.
But he is having a very down year and his work ethic is also being questioned, the two on their own aren't bad, but when they are both happening at the same time, you wonder if the lack of effort in practice leads to the less than desirable on ice performance.
- Sabres1523

So kick a man when he is down.... Got it. Skinner is not playing with the same Caliber players then he did last year when he had a career year.

Again he is having a very down year but we are not comparing apples to apples.

I would be on board with all the Skinner bashing if he was still paying with Jack and getting #1 Power play minutes and only had 12 goals.

No, I posted that it is an issue with Krueger, he said Skinner doesn't practice hard and he's lazy at times.
- SABRES 89

So, Skinner is Kreuger's Vanek? Got it.

So kick a man when he is down.... Got it. Skinner is not playing with the same Caliber players then he did last year when he had a career year.

Again he is having a very down year but we are not comparing apples to apples.

I would be on board with all the Skinner bashing if he was still paying with Jack and getting #1 Power play minutes and only had 12 goals.
- hehateme

Dirty Pod Racer goes down, Skinner's production dries up... Just saying. For whatever reason, when they were on the ice together, Skinner had more time and space. Kucherov really is a little female dog and it's still garbage he didn't get anything for that.

He’s was also arguably a top 3 DE of all time.


Bo Jackson never practiced nor worked out.
- dadeadhead

That's not even an argument. He absolutely is top-3. And I have him #1, but that is arguable.

Still. I get what you're saying.

I don't think practice is a big deal, it seems like a lazy excuse to grind on a player, which is ironic because they call him lazy.

I HATE THIS ARGUMENT... money should have ZERO to do with it. First off the GM offers the contract and the player signs. The GM always has the final say on what the team is willing to pay. Blame the GM..

Now I absolutely agree that Skinner is having a down year. However, he played the last year with Jack and played #1 Power play minutes. I would imagine as most sensible fans here, that if giving the same opportunities this year Skinner would be closer to 20-25 goals right now and his practice habits would not even be an after thought
- hehateme

YOU may hate it, but it is a fact of life.
Much is expected of those who are given much.

Being played top level money comes with expectations, period.
Part of that, being part of the core is to lead by example, period.
Loafing in practice does help create a winning culture, which they definitely need.

Krueger was hired to fix a underperforming team.
Having your star player underperforming and slacking along the way is unacceptable and needs to be dealt with.
This is Jeff's choice and his alone.
JC, what is so friggin hard to understand.
How can anyone defend this crap after female doging about the last 2 seasons and questioning the teams heart and effort day in and day out.

Accountability.
Lack of it, unacceptable.

So, Skinner is Kreuger's Vanek? Got it.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Vanek was lazy during the games. He coulda been so much more with his God given ability. And I watched him since he was 15 here and at UoM. If he wanted, was the best player on the ice. period. He just wanted to like 1.2% of the time.

Btw - where are all the stock market braggers this afternoon ?
- Boss34

Anyone who looks at the stock market trends over a short period is either trolling or ignorant. Stock traders overreact like teenage girls on their first dose of estrogen any time a bit of news comes out. This plunge will correct itself, once the coronavirus is figured out, if not cured. The market has been trending upwards over the past four years. Big picture, that's what people are and should be "bragging" about.

He hasn't played along side any of those players in a damn long time.

He needs to produce on his own. He hasn't done that.

Im not looking for 40 goals and 60+ points for him.

But is it to much to ask for 30 and 15. This is apparently a yes.

Im looking for him to make a damn difference in games. Im asking him to produce more than Zemgus Franking Girgensons.

45 points for a 9 million dollar winger is not a lot to ask.


here is where I am told he is almost scoring though because his expected goals for are high.

Cool when Expected goals starts to win you games, ill be all for it, but until then, start scoring actual goals.
- ImThatGuy

He's generating chances. That's all the expected goals tell you.

Let me ask this: If you took Olofsson, moved him away from Jack/Sam, lessened his PP time and his overall TOI, placing him with players like Mojo (at center), Slowbotka, Lazar and E-Rod...would you expect a big decrease in production?

IMO you'd be kidding yourself if you thought this wouldn't have a massive effect.

Good stuff, kid must be smart like his Mom?

😁😀🙂
- Boss34

Touche

Made me laugh

So kick a man when he is down.... Got it. Skinner is not playing with the same Caliber players then he did last year when he had a career year.

Again he is having a very down year but we are not comparing apples to apples.

I would be on board with all the Skinner bashing if he was still paying with Jack and getting #1 Power play minutes and only had 12 goals.
- hehateme

Seriously?

Hes a (frank)ing grown ass adult who his work ethic is being questioned and is one of the many reasons that this team sucks right now.

Skinner failed this year miserably. Sack up, play your heart out and show you deserve it.

He has a many goals as Zemgus Girgensons. Be better.

his 9 million dollar price tag comes with expectations. Like it or not. He is paid to be elite right now. he is far from it.

Hes 316th in total points in this league.

31 teams first three lines are out producing Jeff Skinner.

I think that once you're in a coach's doghouse for something as silly as "doesn't give 100% in practice" you kind of check out emotionally after that.

In Skinner's defense, he's had dozens of coaches in his lifetime. Regardless of any of that, he became one of the highest paid wingers in NHL history.

Yet some soccer coach thinks he's lazy.

I look at it like it is and in this case, I side with the player. Instead of working with him and improving the style of your practice, you punish him like a child? Seems really lame to me.

He's generating chances. That's all the expected goals tell you.

Let me ask this: If you took Olofsson, moved him away from Jack/Sam, lessened his PP time and his overall TOI, placing him with players like Mojo (at center), Slowbotka, Lazar and E-Rod...would you expect a big decrease in production?

IMO you'd be kidding yourself if you thought this wouldn't have a massive effect.
- RhinoFan

Don't (frank) with my man like that. He went down, Skinner's goals dried up. Coincidence? I think not. He may not have gotten the point totals, but he did things for that line that the other two wouldn't that made them successful.

That's not even an argument. He absolutely is top-3. And I have him #1, but that is arguable.

Still. I get what you're saying.

I don't think practice is a big deal, it seems like a lazy excuse to grind on a player, which is ironic because they call him lazy.
- BeadyEyedDouche

I said arguably top three because there are 3 guys IMO that can be moved around in those three positions.

Smith
White
Jones

Vanek was lazy during the games. He coulda been so much more with his God given ability. And I watched him since he was 15 here and at UoM. If he wanted, was the best player on the ice. period. He just wanted to like 1.2% of the time.
- SDSabre

Loved Vanek but his work-ethic was always questionable.

He's generating chances. That's all the expected goals tell you.

Let me ask this: If you took Olofsson, moved him away from Jack/Sam, lessened his PP time and his overall TOI, placing him with players like Mojo (at center), Slowbotka, Lazar and E-Rod...would you expect a big decrease in production?

IMO you'd be kidding yourself if you thought this wouldn't have a massive effect.
- RhinoFan

Olofsson Rokkie.

Jeff Skinner 10th year in league.

If you think these are the same, you'd be kidding yourself.

SKinner is paid to be an elite player. He is performing at replacement level.

My son just made money on a new Bio/Pharm company that apparently has a pipeline if new vaccines going through testing and apparently doing well. Bough in when they were like $0.90 per...it is up to $1.60 so far today ... expected to get to $9.00 per. We shall see, could end up being just temporary paper gains.
- IonSabres

I started working for a local biotech company almost a year ago. It's all about whether the drug gets FDA approval. If it does, you will most likely get a decent windfall. The thing is, the process takes a long time.

because he has 12 goals... Let me ask you this, if Skinner has 20-25 goals right now, do you care about his practice habits?

Update, i should of read your whole post... My bad
- hehateme

Maybe not working hard is a contributing factor as well as not getting as many chances?

Loved Vanek but his work-ethic was always questionable.
- BeadyEyedDouche

You're being awfully kind to the man. It wasn't questionable, it was downright bad. I remember a game in the USHL, ahead by one, 7 min left, opposing team breaks out and he takes two strides to get back on side. The other team controls the puck for 30 seconds in the d zone, his teammates finally get control and just fire a pass up. He scores, because why wouldn't he. 0 effort, 100 talent. That was/is Vanek.

Don't (frank) with my man like that. He went down, Skinner's goals dried up. Coincidence? I think not. He may not have gotten the point totals, but he did things for that line that the other two wouldn't that made them successful.
- SDSabre

He's better than Frolik for sure. At the same point, MoJo was doing well at center at the start of the season. Dried up. So did Jeff. I think that has more to do with it. Jeff can't do it with 2 anchors on his line. MoJo at center is an anchor. Anyone else we've tried is a has been or never was.