Well another wasted season.
Bowman sucks and needs to go.
Cant believe the Lehner trade.
2nd round pick for a premier goalie..terrible
And apparently he wanted to stay and take a 3
Year contract. If this is true then it's really awful.
Year in year out this front office has mis managed
And (frank)ed up so bad it's a wonder Kane and Toews want to stick around ...certainly not their fault.
Changes are needed...sorry but Bowman and Colliton are not the solution...they are out of their league and are hurting this team.
- Hawkster

I'm not sure there is one line true in this post?

Source?
- Ogilthorpe2

Radio interview today, fwiw.

We reference people who are columnists or contribute columns to websites all of the time. Some are better than others.

I stumbled across this one. Basically he questions the firing of Denis Savard and the hiring of Q. He also questions Tallon for assembling the talent on the team. A team that included Toews and Kane (but not Hossa).

https://bleacherreport.co...f-denis-savard-bad-timing

No Smith, Lard Ass or Gus? Nick Seeler, you have made the list.
- Elbows15

Haven't seen a Nylander complaint in over a week. Sikura who?

A guy who can't play defense and is a rental. But he did run the worst power play in the league that included Patrick Kane.
- rpeters01

Would have helped if the other 4 on the ice would have been moving, changing position, getting to the net - you know, fundamental PP hockey....

Source?
- Ogilthorpe2

Stan - in the interview on WSCR.

Interesting how at the beginning of the year most on this board said the Hawks were at best a bubble team and most likely not going to make the playoffs. Come almost 75% of the season, and here we are, a bubble team that is not going to make the playoffs, yet most on here thinks with a different coach, Gus would of turned into Bobby Orr, Matta would turn into Victor Hedman, Seabrook would of found the fountain of youth, and if they would of played a different system (that is really not that different than MOST teams in the NHL are trying to play now), the Hawks would be buyers at the TDL and looking to go far in the playoffs.

Well reality is, this team is NOT a playoff team, Toe Blake couldn't get them in the playoffs, Herb Brooks couldn't win a medal with them. What I will blame Stan for is he gets players with the physical tools (Perlini, DuClair), but do not have hockey sense. Why did Panarin work out so well with Kane, and ADB struggles with Kane. Because Panarin can think the game like Kane, ADB to me has not shown that ability. ADB is a specialist, like Jim Paxson/Steve Kerr was with the Bulls, spot up when the ball comes to you shoot.

Saad is another one who I think lacks in hockey sense. yes he plays a 200 f game, but his decisions once he retrieves the puck are head scratchers.

You can't outcoach stupid. The Hawks are talented but stupid. Dach and Bovquist appear to have the Hockey acumen to be players. Hopefully Stan will get a few more. He has already purged Gus. Until the hockey IQ on this team increases, to say another coach would be the elixir is folly.
- LAHawk

So who's fault is it they have these players without the hockey smarts, amateur scouting, NHL scouting, developmental coaching? Maybe a combination of all.

Like you said, you can't coach out stupid. Anybody know if the NHL has the NFL equivalent of the Wonderlic test, or something equivalent to gauge a player's smarts?

Hawks have had a lot of success with Euro free agents - Panarin. Kahun, Kubalik to name a few. Maybe the Hawks should bring their European scouts here to scout North Ametican players.

What was it, 8(?) years between Crosby’s 1st and 2nd cups?
- Ogilthorpe2

Long time. And Crosby, Malkin and Letang were younger that 19, 88 and 2 were at the start of this retooling process.

Really TC you're surprised how it all went down for Lehner, didn't in a way Uncle Lou say (frank) it and sign Varlamov.

Source?
- Ogilthorpe2

Stan himself. See podcast link on page 3. During the last 5 minutes

Stan - in the interview on WSCR.
- StLBravesFan

Yeah, I get that, but it’s just a silly thing to actually put any stock in. Unless JC’s firing is imminent, what else is he gonna say?

Just standard cliche sound bites. It means nothing.

On paper, compared to the team last year, yes. Easily better on D compared to what we were trotting out. The only real downgrade was Smith for AA.
- Chunk

Too bad they aren't any better on the ice...They are still a horrible defensive team, somewhat masked by great goaltending this season. Their defensive metrics are horrendous, bottom of the league bad and they reside in last place in their division. Where is this improvement you speak of

Haven't seen a Nylander complaint in over a week. Sikura who?
- rpeters01

Nylander blows chunks.

I say facetiously, after 1000 days of trade Gus talks, how many days will we now debate the return...figuring everyone would finally turn the page....and ....NO.

It matters not, percentage wise, whether we received a second or third etc...

Its like my old polish grandma unhappy at a restaurant, she pockets sugar packets and other condiments for her revenge...
- TrueGrit

Too bad they aren't any better on the ice...They are still a horrible defensive team, somewhat masked by great goaltending this season. Their defensive metrics are horrendous, bottom of the league bad and they reside in last place in their division. Where is this improvement you speak of
- Davewn

PK?

Nope, the cap, imo, isn't the problem right now. It did cause a bunch of good players to have move on. The trouble is that the absolute studs the Hawks have lost in the last five years have not been replaced. The only place to get them young is the draft (maybe a foreign FA once in a while). The Hawks drafted low for a decade and traded picks to win Cups. Tough to do in that scenario, imo. Find me a GM who can do it, and I will join your request for Stan's ouster.
- mohel

im not saying the cap is a problem either. i agree with you on that one and yes, the absolute studs that have been lost have not been replaced. But whos job is is it to find the replacements? Is the team better this season?

i could care less if SB stays or not. What ive been saying is, a big change needs to happen. in the team roster, or the coach, or SB's vision, who cares, as long as the team is getting better. do you see them trending up? how long should we stay wallowing in mediocrity?

Too bad they aren't any better on the ice...They are still a horrible defensive team, somewhat masked by great goaltending this season. Their defensive metrics are horrendous, bottom of the league bad and they reside in last place in their division. Where is this improvement you speak of
- Davewn

^ looking for the same thing

but to their defense, they do have great games where it made me think they've turned a corner, but nah

- Rota's Rooter

And like all Polish grandmothers, I bet she is a great cook.

So who's fault is it they have these players without the hockey smarts, amateur scouting, NHL scouting, developmental coaching? Maybe a combination of all.

Like you said, you can't coach out stupid. Anybody know if the NHL has the NFL equivalent of the Wonderlic test, or something equivalent to gauge a player's smarts?

Hawks have had a lot of success with Euro free agents - Panarin. Kahun, Kubalik to name a few. Maybe the Hawks should bring their European scouts here to scout North Ametican players.
- boilermaker100

It does seem that the pro scouting dept. is lacking. For our position drafting, we do not seem to be too bad. European scouting seems to be way above average.

Too bad they aren't any better on the ice...They are still a horrible defensive team, somewhat masked by great goaltending this season. Their defensive metrics are horrendous, bottom of the league bad and they reside in last place in their division. Where is this improvement you speak of
- Davewn

That's what the "on paper" part was about. They made moves to fill in around the stars. These moves were improvements over what we had last year (save for Smith). The fact they did not work out is not the point. The point I've been repeating is that it is not complacency or stupidity that they are not making the playoffs this year. As Squish said, they had 17M to use (for the first time in ages), and they used it to beef up the D, and in goal. Before de Haan went down he was one of our best players. Maatta is better than Davidson, Manning, Ruutta, and Dahlstrom.

I'm not absolving the FO for past bad decisions. I am saying for the 8th time that the road back to being a good team will take a long time regardless of who is in charge (because we have a lot of money tied up in few players - again) and we should not be surprised by that.

We reference people who are columnists or contribute columns to websites all of the time. Some are better than others.

I stumbled across this one. Basically he questions the firing of Denis Savard and the hiring of Q. He also questions Tallon for assembling the talent on the team. A team that included Toews and Kane (but not Hossa).

https://bleacherreport.co...f-denis-savard-bad-timing
- -Doh-

More than anything, he seemed to be questioning the timing of the move...Maybe it’s Darth?

Nylander blows chunks.
- Ogilthorpe2

If there was more than one of me, I would have a serious problem with your wording here...

That's what the "on paper" part was about. They made moves to fill in around the stars. These moves were improvements over what we had last year (save for Smith). The fact they did not work out is not the point. The point I've been repeating is that it is not complacency or stupidity that they are not making the playoffs this year. As Squish said, they had 17M to use (for the first time in ages), and they used it to beef up the D, and in goal. Before de Haan went down he was one of our best players. Maatta is better than Davidson, Manning, Ruutta, and Dahlstrom.

I'm not absolving the FO for past bad decisions. I am saying for the 8th time that the road back to being a good team will take a long time regardless of who is in charge (because we have a lot of money tied up in few players - again) and we should not be surprised by that.
- Chunk

Do you ever feel like you’re (your) just beating your head against a brick wall?

Haven't seen a Nylander complaint in over a week. Sikura who?
- rpeters01

Wrong guy. I haven't complained about Nylander aside from the trade initially.

im not saying the cap is a problem either. i agree with you on that one and yes, the absolute studs that have been lost have not been replaced. But whos job is is it to find the replacements? Is the team better this season?

i could care less if SB stays or not. What ive been saying is, a big change needs to happen. in the team roster, or the coach, or SB's vision, who cares, as long as the team is getting better. do you see them trending up? how long should we stay wallowing in mediocrity?
- squishy24

My position is I don't care if they're better now or even next year. I want them to be very good again in a few years.