Is Carolina content still that they didn't acquire a goalie?

New kid got lit up last night.
- Tyler Cameron

Yeah...I think they're going to end up regretting not adding Lehner, but at the same time if the Hawks wanted say a 1st and a 3rd for him and Gus and they got other players for less I can understand why they would say no. Lehner would have done very well for them though

Unfortunately the era of dumping players for free cap space is a thing of the past. Only team that would qualify is Ottawa, and they only want players that cost less than their cap hit. Most everyone else is either at or not far under the cap, and if they are, they hold that space until at or near the trade deadline to do deals.
- LAHawk

You may be right. (words seldom heard here) However if you look at the defenseman that are UFAs and RFA's after this season there will be plenty of teams rearranging their defensemen. So Maatta may be in play.

If you look at the Current Cap Space column in capfriendly.com even after the TDL there are still 14 teams with more than $10 mil in cap space. Anyone that takes Smith could buy him out for minimal cap hit for two years and pick up a 4th round pick in the deal.

Hate saying...I really do...but the Hawks need to suck a$$ the rest of the year and get another Top 5 pick. Someone who can jump in next year the same way Dach has.

This draft from everything I've seen is basically three guys who stand out and then a mix of everyone else. Lafreniere and Byfield are the 1-2 punch more than likely and then there's one Defensemen in Jamie Drysdale expected in the Top 10. Other than those three guys everyone else has been interchangeable with one another depending on who's scouting report you read.

Quinton Byfield is the guy I've liked for awhile, but I think won't be coming our way without some serious luck going our way.
- Savetheembers33

It would be great if the Hawks can get into a top 5 spot. Been reading Wiz's review. Assuming Lafreniere and Byfield go 1-2, I'm intrigued by LW's Lucas Raymond (Swede), C Marco Rossi (an Austrian playing in the OHL) and LW Tim Stutzle (German). FWIW the three above have been compared to Marner, Bergeron and Aho respectively.

https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2020/

Is Carolina content still that they didn't acquire a goalie?

New kid got lit up last night.
- Tyler Cameron

Not his fault on 3 of those.

complete breakdowns in front of him. it was gross.

Yeah idk how accurate that is. I think you're seeing some posturing on both sides.

Lehner needs to save some face for how his comments were perceived about taking a "discount" to stay with the team.

Stan is trying to save face for trading a Top 10 Goalie and not getting a contract done.

Idk wtf Stan's plan is. My best guess at this point is that Stan wants to get (or possibly has a something in place) to get Ilya Sorokin from the Islanders and he's gonna either sign Crow to a one year deal to split time and help him with his transition over OR sign a veteran FA to a one year deal.

The question is: what is the price to get him?

Perhaps Stan thought he had a deal in place to trade Lehner and Gus to Carolina for a 1st and he then planned on flipping that to the Islanders to get Sorokin, but Carolina backed out once they began talks with their three other big deals they pulled off. Hence why the reports started leaking about him being traded to the Hawks, but it had to be backtracked due to the CHI-CAR deal not being completed yet. Who know's on that front. Time will tell what Stan's plan is going to be...if he's still around to make it happen.
- Savetheembers33

thats not spinning...one or both is lieing...and lehner seems like a stand up guy why say you weren't offered contract if it could be easily refuted...stan basically confirms that by his nondenial and he seems clear he is looking elsewhere..

Not his fault on 3 of those.

complete breakdowns in front of him. it was gross.
- BINGO!

I'll give you the one that came off the glass right in front, and maybe the 4th (maybe), but the others were his fault.

If we can unload Maatta and Smith.

1 Kane $10,500,000
2 Toews $10,500,000
3 Saad $6,000,000
4 Caggiula $1,750,000
5 Dach $925,000
6 Carp $1,000,000
7 Kubalik $2,500,000
8 Nylander $863,333
9 Strome $2,500,000
10 ADB $6,400,000
11 Highmore $853,416
12 ?????? ???????
13 Kampf $1,000,000
forwards $44,791,749

1 Keith $5,538,462
2 Murphy $3,850,000
3 Mitchell $925,000
4 Boqvist $894,167
5 Carlsson $792,500
6 Seabs $6,875,000
7 deHaan $4,550,000
dmen $23,425,129

1 Crow $5,000,000
2 ?????? ???????
goalies $5,000,000

total $73,216,878
new cap $83,000,000
cap space $9,783,122 for 1 forward and a backup goalie

Maybe my estimates for the RFA's and Crow are a little low. But even if you bump them up we should be ok.

It would be great if the Hawks can get into a top 5 spot. Been reading Wiz's review. Assuming Lafreniere and Byfield go 1-2, I'm intrigued by LW's Lucas Raymond (Swede), C Marco Rossi (an Austrian playing in the OHL) and LW Tim Stutzle (German). FWIW the three above have been compared to Marner, Bergeron and Aho respectively.

https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2020/
- boilermaker100

Yeah I haven't looked too much into the top prospects so far this year (mostly because I didn't expected them to be in this position). I'd be curious to see what guys like Wiz has to say about guys especially as the draft gets closer

Savard?
- Chunk

Toews didn't like he was rated 18th Center in the league last summer.

I'll give you the one that came off the glass right in front, and maybe the 4th (maybe), but the others were his fault.
- Chunk

Not a chance. The very first one he made a good save but the guy was all alone in front for multiple whacks at it.

the defense (Joel Edmundson in particular) was atrocious last night. Edmundson got beat repeatedly and easily.

Toews didn't like he was rated 18th Center in the league last summer.
- rpeters01

Then play better? I'm not one to dog on 19 all that much, but to get mad at a stupid list is comical.

If we can unload Maatta and Smith.

1 Kane $10,500,000
2 Toews $10,500,000
3 Saad $6,000,000
4 Caggiula $1,750,000
5 Dach $925,000
6 Carp $1,000,000
7 Kubalik $2,500,000
8 Nylander $863,333
9 Strome $2,500,000
10 ADB $6,400,000
11 Highmore $853,416
12 ?????? ???????
13 Kampf $1,000,000
forwards $44,791,749

1 Keith $5,538,462
2 Murphy $3,850,000
3 Mitchell $925,000
4 Boqvist $894,167
5 Carlsson $792,500
6 Seabs $6,875,000
7 deHaan $4,550,000
dmen $23,425,129

1 Crow $5,000,000
2 ?????? ???????
goalies $5,000,000

total $73,216,878
new cap $83,000,000
cap space $9,783,122 for 1 forward and a backup goalie

Maybe my estimates for the RFA's and Crow are a little low. But even if you bump them up we should be ok.
- -Doh-

Kubalik and Strome at 2.5 is very Wishful thinking!

Is Carolina content still that they didn't acquire a goalie?

New kid got lit up last night.
- Tyler Cameron

Yeah... so did CC. Didn't even finish watching the highlights. This team is so bad defensively.. It is like watching street hockey. A halfway competent D zone scheme and we shoulda won. As like so many other games. The joke known as JC needs to go away. Not a great game by 50, but way too many open guys/breakdowns again.

If we can unload Maatta and Smith.

1 Kane $10,500,000
2 Toews $10,500,000
3 Saad $6,000,000
4 Caggiula $1,750,000
5 Dach $925,000
6 Carp $1,000,000
7 Kubalik $2,500,000
8 Nylander $863,333
9 Strome $2,500,000
10 ADB $6,400,000
11 Highmore $853,416
12 ?????? ???????
13 Kampf $1,000,000
forwards $44,791,749

1 Keith $5,538,462
2 Murphy $3,850,000
3 Mitchell $925,000
4 Boqvist $894,167
5 Carlsson $792,500
6 Seabs $6,875,000
7 deHaan $4,550,000
dmen $23,425,129

1 Crow $5,000,000
2 ?????? ???????
goalies $5,000,000

total $73,216,878
new cap $83,000,000
cap space $9,783,122 for 1 forward and a backup goalie

Maybe my estimates for the RFA's and Crow are a little low. But even if you bump them up we should be ok.
- -Doh-

Yup so this dresses basically the same team that will finish Feb with one regulation win, I smell a cup.

If we can unload Maatta and Smith.

1 Kane $10,500,000
2 Toews $10,500,000
3 Saad $6,000,000
4 Caggiula $1,750,000
5 Dach $925,000
6 Carp $1,000,000
7 Kubalik $2,500,000
8 Nylander $863,333
9 Strome $2,500,000
10 ADB $6,400,000
11 Highmore $853,416
12 ?????? ???????
13 Kampf $1,000,000
forwards $44,791,749

1 Keith $5,538,462
2 Murphy $3,850,000
3 Mitchell $925,000
4 Boqvist $894,167
5 Carlsson $792,500
6 Seabs $6,875,000
7 deHaan $4,550,000
dmen $23,425,129

1 Crow $5,000,000
2 ?????? ???????
goalies $5,000,000

total $73,216,878
new cap $83,000,000
cap space $9,783,122 for 1 forward and a backup goalie

Maybe my estimates for the RFA's and Crow are a little low. But even if you bump them up we should be ok.
- -Doh-

Maatta is not going anywhere. He is the new Rundblad/Rozsival

unless of course JC wants him out

Yup so this dresses basically the same team that will finish Feb with one regulation win, I smell a cup.
- riozzo

don't worry, theres a plan! the team will be contending for a cup in 2022!

don't worry, theres a plan! the team will be contending for a cup in 2022!
- squishy24

Back-to-back-to-back top 3 picks?

Agreed. Terrible mis-use of more than 1 good asset. Just think how Kane feels!

Also, can we stop the NHL experiment known as David Kampf.
Holy (frank), at least Q's love-child thing for Kruger made some sense.
However, the insanity of Kampf being deployed on a regular basis and getting the minutes he does boggles the mind. Talk about being the black hole of offense.

Kampf, on any other team, is a career AHL-er. Or a Swedish league all-star.

Gotta agree with many here about Colliton's bench coaching skills or lack thereof.
This guy is so overmatched against any NHL-caliber coach when it comes to deploying personnel and matching lines it's not funny any more.

He might have a great "theoretical" hockey mind. He's probably an awesome opponent on NHL2020 but the actual NHL? Not so much.
- savvyone-1

One of the best assessments of Kampf I've heard in awhile. Doesn't belong with the Hawks' parent club. If he's not a part of the solution, he needs to be removed.

thats not spinning...one or both is lieing...and lehner seems like a stand up guy why say you weren't offered contract if it could be easily refuted...stan basically confirms that by his nondenial and he seems clear he is looking elsewhere..
- bogiedoc

Yeah I kinda lean towards believing Robin as far as that goes. Why does he have any reason to lie? What benefit does he get from it? He's trying to earn a long term contract. Is what it is.

BTW, you should see how the people in this group are now saying that Lehner purposely gave up on the Hawks his last five games and was a problem in the locker room. It's a f#@kin joke

If we can unload Maatta and Smith.

1 Kane $10,500,000
2 Toews $10,500,000
3 Saad $6,000,000
4 Caggiula $1,750,000
5 Dach $925,000
6 Carp $1,000,000
7 Kubalik $2,500,000
8 Nylander $863,333
9 Strome $2,500,000
10 ADB $6,400,000
11 Highmore $853,416
12 ?????? ???????
13 Kampf $1,000,000
forwards $44,791,749

1 Keith $5,538,462
2 Murphy $3,850,000
3 Mitchell $925,000
4 Boqvist $894,167
5 Carlsson $792,500
6 Seabs $6,875,000
7 deHaan $4,550,000
dmen $23,425,129

1 Crow $5,000,000
2 ?????? ???????
goalies $5,000,000

total $73,216,878
new cap $83,000,000
cap space $9,783,122 for 1 forward and a backup goalie

Maybe my estimates for the RFA's and Crow are a little low. But even if you bump them up we should be ok.
- -Doh-

What are they gonna do with all the glorious cap space? Buy an old, broken down UFA or two?

Kubalik and Strome at 2.5 is very Wishful thinking!
- nickmo2699

My guess is that Kubalik will sign for around $3.5 - $4 million for 2 years. I have no idea what Strome will sign for.

Kubalik and Strome at 2.5 is very Wishful thinking!
- nickmo2699

Smith is likely going to be bought out at the end of the year. Save 2M on the cap (1M against for the season).

Kubalik will probably get north of 3M on a two year deal. Strome is curious. Idk how that one is gonna play out, but he's definitely going to get more than 2.5M

What are they gonna do with all the glorious cap space? Buy an old, broken down UFA or two?
- mohel

Nothing... just hold onto all of that glorious cap space.

If we can unload Maatta and Smith.

1 Kane $10,500,000
2 Toews $10,500,000
3 Saad $6,000,000
4 Caggiula $1,750,000
5 Dach $925,000
6 Carp $1,000,000
7 Kubalik $2,500,000
8 Nylander $863,333
9 Strome $2,500,000
10 ADB $6,400,000
11 Highmore $853,416
12 ?????? ???????
13 Kampf $1,000,000
forwards $44,791,749

1 Keith $5,538,462
2 Murphy $3,850,000
3 Mitchell $925,000
4 Boqvist $894,167
5 Carlsson $792,500
6 Seabs $6,875,000
7 deHaan $4,550,000
dmen $23,425,129

1 Crow $5,000,000
2 ?????? ???????
goalies $5,000,000

total $73,216,878
new cap $83,000,000
cap space $9,783,122 for 1 forward and a backup goalie

Maybe my estimates for the RFA's and Crow are a little low. But even if you bump them up we should be ok.
- -Doh-

I don't see Shaw in there. Is he done for good?

My guess is that Kubalik will sign for around $3.5 - $4 million for 2 years. I have no idea what Strome will sign for.
- DarthKane

after 1 season? immediately to 4mil? nope

2.5 x 2 is about right