I had the same thought Zez. I dont mind Dubas doing the Golden Knights a favor.
- Aetherial

Agree, hopefully returned in the future.

They have lots of talent there too.

1 shot on a 42 year old former junior B goalie with his moms kidney equals 47 shots for a regular nhl goalie



I know I know.... (frank)ing brexit
- Dozzer

1:47 ratio is pretty insane, I don't care who is in net.

I'd settle for 90%
- UsernameUnknown

0.906

I mean, shouldn’t they? It’s kinda their job.
- DrunkSkunk

Agreed.

It's important to have realistic goals in life. If i was dubas, i would trade any goalie that lets in a goal.

You are correct. He inherited all the talent - minus making the Kessel deal and getting his goalie + kap.

Yeah he did take too long to fix the back up tender. Like a month too long. But I do try to be reasonable that this is a real league and it doesnt mean a clear upgrade was available when we as fans want it done.

Dubas did wait too long for Nylander hut he admitted it and know what he did?didnt make that mistake with the other guys after him.

Like the guy learns from his mistakes.
- Aaron_85

dubas created his own problem when he waived mclheinney in favor of sparks. all his gambles have been a fail. tampa thinks mclheinney is a good backup look where they are. took the canes to the conference final also.

Fine since its hockeybuzz we can play fantasy.

I wouldnt be shocked if it happened. Do I think it needs to happen? No.

But if Dubas truly believes he only has a 4 year window with Matthew's then he should go for a guy like that. Center it around Nylander. I think Doughty has and will have a better career than Nylander overall.
- Aaron_85

I think it needs to happen for a multitude of reasons.

First of all, a legit #1 RHD who can play 25 minutes, PP, PK, hits, shutsdown; literally does everything. Right away, that's a massive improvement on the blueline by itself.

Secondly, the ripple effect. Rielly has less pressure on his shoulders and can go back to scoring more goals and points. Then a guy like Muzzin can play 19 or 20 minutes instead of 23 or 24. Holl plays 18 or less. Everybody gets the match-ups they can actually handle and succeed in.

Third, experience and credible leadership. Legit two time Cup winner, Norris winner. He's been there and done that and been a prominent piece of it. But he's also not 40 so you know he still has gas left in the tank. Niedermayer, Pronger, Lidstrom, Chara; all these elite D won Cups from 30-35 and/or Norris Trophies. Elite D last longer than people think.

The Leafs can afford to move Nylander. They can and will still score plenty of goals. What they can't afford to do is go into playoff series against the Bruins and Lightning without a major upgrade on D. That's what it boils down to.

0.906
- Tumbleweed

Since 2020? Uggy keeps talking about how good he was 5 years ago like that's gonna help them make the playoffs down this stretch.


For the record, I am exaggerating my discontent for Andersen just to troll him.
He hasn't been great, but he's not our only problem and certainly not the sole reason for the team's recent struggles.

1:47 ratio is pretty insane, I don't care who is in net.
- JohnFergusonJr

“They don’t even need a goalie”

~Keefe

I'd settle for 90%
- UsernameUnknown

You just hit yourself in the Richard with a hammer.

.906 SV% is 90.6%.

Since 2020? Uggy keeps talking about how good he was 5 years ago like that's gonna help them make the playoffs down this stretch.


For the record, I am exaggerating my discontent for Andersen just to troll him.
He hasn't been great, but he's not our only problem and certainly not the sole reason for the team's recent struggles.
- UsernameUnknown

Past 5 years COMBINED. Not 5 years ago.

“They don’t even need a goalie”

~Keefe
- Dozzer

"I need a goalie to always stand on his head because my teams don't give a (frank) about defense."

-Keefe

Agreed.

It's important to have realistic goals in life. If i was dubas, i would trade any goalie that lets in a goal.
- Tumbleweed

The first sane comment today.

"I need a goalie to always stand on his head because my teams don't give a (frank) about defense."

-Keefe
- JohnFergusonJr

"I need a goalie to always stand on his head because my teams don't give a (frank) about defense."

-Keefe
- JohnFergusonJr

No poop right?

Seriously tho, the fact that an NHL coach said the 6 words “they don’t even need a goalie” in a scrum, regardless of context, is by far and away the best part of this entire fiasco lol

I think it needs to happen for a multitude of reasons.

First of all, a legit #1 RHD who can play 25 minutes, PP, PK, hits, shutsdown; literally does everything. Right away, that's a massive improvement on the blueline by itself.

Secondly, the ripple effect. Rielly has less pressure on his shoulders and can go back to scoring more goals and points. Then a guy like Muzzin can play 19 or 20 minutes instead of 23 or 24. Holl plays 18 or less. Everybody gets the match-ups they can actually handle and succeed in.

Third, experience and credible leadership. Legit two time Cup winner, Norris winner. He's been there and done that and been a prominent piece of it. But he's also not 40 so you know he still has gas left in the tank. Niedermayer, Pronger, Lidstrom, Chara; all these elite D won Cups from 30-35 and/or Norris Trophies. Elite D last longer than people think.

The Leafs can afford to move Nylander. They can and will still score plenty of goals. What they can't afford to do is go into playoff series against the Bruins and Lightning without a major upgrade on D. That's what it boils down to.
- JohnFergusonJr

What I meant by does it have to happen is does it have to be Doughty? No. Theres other Dmen who may fill that role.

Doughty just happens to be a guy who may be available and may want to come.

Purely guessing, something like Nylander, Johnsson and Liljegren for Doughty + 1 million retained might do it.

Leafs retained 2.5 AAV of Lehner's contract for a 5th round pick.

What a brilliant move!
- JohnFergusonJr

Or, he bought a 5th round pick for $190k .....and cap space that couldn't otherwise be used.

You just hit yourself in the Richard with a hammer.

.906 SV% is 90.6%.
- JohnFergusonJr

a) My Richard would win that fight.

b) Not since 2020 it's not. He played great in November & December, and we needed that.

Leafs were never in the game on Saturday. Could tell that in the first ten minutes. You can go on forever about how the Canes shut them down, but truth is they didn't have it. If Carolina had the Pope in net, the result would be the same. Move on to the next one . Gonna be a dogfight for a play-off spot.

He has been fine. The numbers don't look good. But there's a reason. There's actually multiple reasons. I'll give you 5.

1) poop defensive players
2) Injured defensive players
3) Terrible defensive coaching, including a bad PK
4) A team that plays with no passion and no consistency
5) A GM who brings in more defensive liabilities than defensive stalwarts

Could nobody see this against Carolina? That one team, playing with a beer league goalie, played perfectly while the Leafs gave up damn near 50 shots?

The problem is some of you people are looking at ONE NUMBER and doing ZERO work to look beyond that number. Andersen has been consistently a top 10 goalie the past 5 years. He hasn't changed. The dog poop team in front of him has changed.

If Andersen is "the first to admit it" it's because he's being a professional. Do you really expect him to blame everybody else? But we can be objective and look at the facts if you choose not to ignore them.
- JohnFergusonJr

The xGF% and xGA% numbers actually show that this team has been better in front of him this year than other years.

The actual quote from the movie "you were given a Ferrari and your people treated it like a lawnmower" as per Ficquotes.
I actually wrote "Babcock was a Maserati and being a good saskuatchean tried to use it as a tractor.
Coincidently close enough that your transposition of one for the other is understandable. You did a kind of mash-up of two similar quotes.
I have honestly never seen Bourne Legacy and thought up the Maserti line in my own little head. Just another proof that nothing is truly original anymore.
No foul no harm. Cheers
- Putin's Beard

all good.

I must have subliminally used Maserati... I like them much better than Ferraris

What I meant by does it have to happen is does it have to be Doughty? No. Theres other Dmen who may fill that role.

Doughty just happens to be a guy who may be available and may want to come.

Purely guessing, something like Nylander, Johnsson and Liljegren for Doughty + 1 million retained might do it.
- Aaron_85

As of right now, I don't see anybody else that checks off the boxes as well as he does for a variety of reasons. One of those reasons is basic availability. Can you think of anybody else remotely available who is that good? I can't.

A great team that has a top pair RHD isn't going to entertain the idea of trading one away. Luckily LA is terrible and need to rebuild.

A rebuilding team that drafted a future RHD is also unlikely to trade one away because he's cheap and young. There's also the bust risk that if the Leafs acquired somebody like Evan Bouchard for Edmonton for example. That guy could be a great top pair RHD or he could bust. Can the Leafs take that risk? I don't think they can.

I'd replace Liljegren with Dermott because Liljegren is a RHD and he's cheaper than Dermott is about to be with his RFA raise. Also, 1.5 AAV retained at the absolute minimum. Maybe even 2 AAV considering the Leafs are giving up young, proven, NHL ready talent.

is there a huge difference between these goalies?

15 games 48 goals 421 shots = .886
15 games 49 goals 430 shots = .886

a) My Richard would win that fight.

b) Not since 2020 it's not. He played great in November & December, and we needed that.
- UsernameUnknown

Microscopic objects can evade a hammer, you're right.

When did the Leafs blueline get hit by injuries? Was it Nov. and Dec.? Or was is Jan. and beyond?

Should be pretty obvious.

is there a huge difference between these goalies?

15 games 48 goals 421 shots = .886
15 games 49 goals 430 shots = .886
- Aetherial

Yes.

One is a proven terrible back-up.

The other is a proven top 10 goalie the past 5 years.

What's the same? poop coaching and poop defensive play.

Yes.

One is a proven terrible back-up.

The other is a proven top 10 goalie the past 5 years.

What's the same? poop coaching and poop defensive play.
- JohnFergusonJr