Lou isn’t the type of GM I want running the team I follow.

Happy for him he got a playoff series win last season...but a lot the moves he makes I just can’t get on board with.
- Santo_44

Well I’m sure you speak from experience as it comes to Lou but one would have to think he is losing it if he thinks Parise can be an asset at this point in time

Dubas had to deal with some of Lou's moves that didn't work. And Lou's moves in NY would make Leafs fans heads explode if Dubas did them.

Dubas had to deal with some of Lou's moves that didn't work. And Lou's moves in NY would make Leafs fans heads explode if Dubas did them.
- Zezel

Lou hasn't won poop in like two decades. Why are people still talking about lou like he isn't a couple years away from physically poopting himself in a home

Lou hasn't won poop in like two decades. Why are people still talking about lou like he isn't a couple years away from physically poopting himself in a home
- joel878

When that happens he can become a Democrat and try to become president.

Dubas had to deal with some of Lou's moves that didn't work. And Lou's moves in NY would make Leafs fans heads explode if Dubas did them.
- Zezel

Like Marleau...

When that happens he can become a Democrat and try to become president.
- shack67

So coming soon in 2024......

So coming soon in 2024......
- RatedR80

- shack67

I’m blaming you if it happens

When that happens he can become a Democrat and try to become president.
- shack67

Still have a better chance than Biden but he wouldn't knock off Bernie. 🤣

Lou is going to trade for Parise’s contract too this offseason
- Santo_44

Pageau is having a career year all on an awful sens team, and hasn't scored 20 goals before this year, and they give him 5 million lol

Pageau is having a career year all on an awful sens team, and hasn't scored 20 goals before this year, and they give him 5 million lol
- Archaic

I was happy that the Isles picked him up at that cost

I think Lou is starting to go senile. Not everyone seems to like Dubas, but at the least, I think the Leafs were wise to let Lou go.
- Thecakeisalie

But the Islanders are 9th in the NHL and their system works.

I doubt Lou would have made the same moves in Toronto as he has in Long Island.

Well I’m sure you speak from experience as it comes to Lou but one would have to think he is losing it if he thinks Parise can be an asset at this point in time
- RatedR80

If it was Ladd for Parise, Lou sees one guy who has 15 goals in the last 3 years combined who is pretty much finished for a guy who can still score 20 goals a year and whom he knows very well from his NJD. Parise plays a couple years, then when his salary goes down hill, Lou dumps him on some salary cap floor team. Not the craziest deal ever.

But the Islanders are 9th in the NHL and their system works.

I doubt Lou would have made the same moves in Toronto as he has in Long Island.
- JohnFergusonJr

We'll see how long that lasts. Their coach is doing a good job of things, but I don't think they are set up to continue being successful beyond the next year or so. Lou's signed an aging core of grinders to expensive contracts.

If it was Ladd for Parise, Lou sees one guy who has 15 goals in the last 3 years combined who is pretty much finished for a guy who can still score 20 goals a year and whom he knows very well from his NJD. Parise plays a couple years, then when his salary goes down hill, Lou dumps him on some salary cap floor team. Not the craziest deal ever.
- JohnFergusonJr

Yeah, he did the same thing with Marleau and that worked out great for us...

I assume when you said, "salary goes downhill", you actually meant, "performance".
Marleau was a UFA as opposed to a trade, I know, the point is that you don't always dump an old, overpaid player without cost.

Yeah, he did the same thing with Marleau and that worked out great for us...

I assume when you said, "salary goes downhill", you actually meant, "performance".
Marleau was a UFA as opposed to a trade, I know, the point is that you don't always dump an old, overpaid player without cost.
- Thecakeisalie

No I meant salary. Parise's deal gets progressively cheaper in real dollars. And I think if he retires, Minnesota has to pay the recapture penalty. So Lou, having written a lot of the rules, knows his way around poop. He can always make a contract disappear one way or another.

He did sign Marleau but Dubas signed Matthews, Marner and Nylander. How do we know that Lou couldn't have negotiated a better deal and would have never had to get rid of Marleau?

Lou obviously saw this team lacked work ethic, professionalism and experience and he went out and got a veteran to mentor the team. Maybe if he finished his plan, it would have worked out differently. Maybe Nylander sits out a year. Maybe Matthews makes 9.5 and Marner makes 8. Who knows? Maybe one of them gets traded. Maybe they don't spend 6+ million on Kerfoot and Johnsson.

We'll see how long that lasts. Their coach is doing a good job of things, but I don't think they are set up to continue being successful beyond the next year or so. Lou's signed an aging core of grinders to expensive contracts.
- Thecakeisalie

If it works like it did in New Jersey, it could last a decade. New Jersey didn't win Cups blowing other teams out. They won 2-1 games playing slow, boring, defensive hockey. You can't even give all the credit to Brodeur because he was facing 20 shots a game sometimes. The defense was just so good. Trotz has got the same thing going on right now.

If the Islanders added two 20 goal scorers (like Parise and Pageau), even if they score 30 goals combined over a season, it brings the Islanders offense from 23rd to 8th. If they score 40 combined, it goes up to 5th. And their defense would still be 3rd because they're both defensively responsible players. You can pay one guy 11 million to score 40 or you can pay two guys 11 million to score 40. 40 goals is still 40 goals. I think that's kind of what he's going for here by building a team by committee.

Lou signed heart and soul players for a heart and soul style. It's what works for that team. How many 11 million dollar players does he have to worry about? Outside of Barzal, there's nobody else looking for a big contract. What top tier 11 million dollar UFA is going to Long Island? They tried with Panarin and he declined. So he goes to the next guy and so on and so forth.

Guys get so fixated on stats and my guy got this many goals this and that. They get obsessed with individual players and forget it’s about team. The last 20 seasons the cup champ had a top ten point scorer 8 times. Less than half. Only twice did the cup champ have the leagues leading scorer. Time to see the forest through the trees boys.

Guys get so fixated on stats and my guy got this many goals this and that. They get obsessed with individual players and forget it’s about team. The last 20 seasons the cup champ had a top ten point scorer 8 times. Less than half. Only twice did the cup champ have the leagues leading scorer. Time to see the forest through the trees boys.
- aminnes

Interesting point. Richard winner? Only twice. Crosby in 17, Ovechkin in 18.

It'd be interesting to see what the average of all the stats of all the players were among the past 20 Cup winners.

Guys get so fixated on stats and my guy got this many goals this and that. They get obsessed with individual players and forget it’s about team. The last 20 seasons the cup champ had a top ten point scorer 8 times. Less than half. Only twice did the cup champ have the leagues leading scorer. Time to see the forest through the trees boys.
- aminnes

Very good point. Id rather have Matthews turn into a 40 goal 90 point player who plays a 200 foot game defensively. Then a 60 goal 100 point player thats mostly offense and just mediocre in his own end. Sad thing is theres a ton more fans out there that if he did drop down 20 goals they would be calling for his head yelling trade the bum, hes declining hes finished....

Interesting point. Richard winner? Only twice. Crosby in 17, Ovechkin in 18.

It'd be interesting to see what the average of all the stats of all the players were among the past 20 Cup winners.
- JohnFergusonJr

Im one of those guys if the Leafs arnt in it. I look for the teams with the most Canadians on it and keep tabs. It seems every year there the ones who usually do well in the playoffs. Yes i said seems because im (frank)ing lazy and never actually looked it up to see....

Thx for the 1st rounder, Patrick 😘

Put down the spread sheets and watch the goals against, one by one since Jan 1st. Takes less than a period of hockey. You can see the massive breakdowns in defensive play and garbage coverage game after game. This is clearly a case of a good goalie stuck behind a terrible defensive team with a terrible defensive coach.

Pull all the fancy stats out you want, the 47 shots they gave up to Carolina wasn't Andersen's fault.
- JohnFergusonJr

Never said it was; that was a terrible game.

You can't talk your way out of this, hon.

Andersen has not been as good this year.

He's one of several problems with this team this year: not the only one, but a significant one, and ignoring that by cherry-picking some cross-crease tap-ins to prove that the team is worst in front of him is asinine.

And to go along with your train of thought, why is his save percentage worse this year if we've been basically bad defensively for as long as anyone can remember?

Tell me something Spatso - are the three Senators season ticket holders upset at all with the fact that the owner of a club based in the country's capital resides in Barbados to avoid paying Canadian taxes yet was quite happy to take up residence in a Toronto hospital to get a liver transplant to keep his miserable existence afloat?
- winsix

Great point. Melnyk is despised in Ottawa. His greatest problem is not the average fan. The entire business community has turned against Melnyk. Nothing will change until there is a change in ownership.

But the Islanders are 9th in the NHL and their system works.

I doubt Lou would have made the same moves in Toronto as he has in Long Island.
- JohnFergusonJr

Huh? He made countless moronic moved that cost us dearly and had to be fixed, and has now moved on to a new team and continued making Moronic moves. What makes you think that he wouldn't make the same moves in Toronto as Long Island?