Parise back to the Isles...almost ...not yet.

He has to agree...

Parise back to the Isles
- MattStrat

WHAT

Parise back to the Isles...almost ...not yet.

He has to agree...
- MattStrat

Yikes

WHAT
- burgh4life87

Held up waiting for him to agree.

Held up waiting for him to agree.
- MattStrat

That would be big for cap reasons in Minn.

I want him too...I think he could still be very effective in limited role. PK and 2nd PP...plus he's massive ...people really want that here...
- MattStrat

It would be quite a story!

Get a cup for Marleau and Thornton!

Ps. Both would be awesome in a series against Washington

That would be big for cap reasons in Minn.
- burgh4life87

Apparently Ladd will be involved.


Seems to me ole Lou is concerned about the speed of some teams around them in the standings....

That would be big for cap reasons in Minn.
- burgh4life87

If they took Bjugstad and Jacko, I’d be interested in Suter.

Apparently Ladd will be involved.


Seems to me ole Lou is concerned about the speed of some teams around them in the standings....
- MattStrat

Well he has certainly made some serious changes. Reports that Pageau is about to sign an extension with them already.

Minnesota dumping Parise would be huge. It could give them the ability to go after a big name FA like Hall.

Good for Guerin if he gets it done. And frankly, good for the Islanders. For years that team has had to shed salary and keep payroll low. Good to have owners that will step up like that. God knows we had those days.

Out of curiosity, would you guys do a deal along the lines of Hornqvist for Parise?

Out of curiosity, would you guys do a deal along the lines of Hornqvist for Parise?
- drummer829

Not a chance

Out of curiosity, would you guys do a deal along the lines of Hornqvist for Parise?
- drummer829

No chance in hell

Out of curiosity, would you guys do a deal along the lines of Hornqvist for Parise?
- drummer829

I sure wouldnt. You are taking a big gamble on a guy who has been crushed with injuries and who carries a $7.5M cap hit for this season and 5 years after that. I dont think it is a good risk/reward.

And I say that as someone who thinks it would be prudent to trade Hornqvist this offseason.

I feel like RW's articles on this subject generally go like this:

There are some that are going to say that Botterill was responsible for all the good moves and GMJR all the bad moves, but I don't subscribe to that theory. But it is something to be said when Botterill leaves, the team deviates from the types of players that were acquired while he was here. Now do I believe he is solely responsible for the good moves? Probably not, but he may have been one of the many voices in the room to help lean one way or another

And I actually tend to agree with that sentiment. GMJR has a history of making A LOT of moves as GM. Some work, some don't. Some worked to perfection, some sank like the titanic. Has he made more good than bad? Yup, 2 cups to show for it, his recent string of trades have been solid as well, but he (like he usually does) had some hiccups between this year and the last cup run.
- j.boyd919

Straight from this blog... https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=85140

Jason Botterill’s resume reads like what most people would consider the perfect modern general manager candidate. He has an excellent understanding on how to develop from within, wizard with the salary cap, progressive on the analytics front, well-prepared, good communicator, and still has youth on his side with plenty of room to grow his skillset even more.

I will forever be puzzled why the organization did not make a better effort at keeping somebody with these qualities around. You can give credit to the job Jim Rutherford has done as general manager of the Penguins and also acknowledge that he is 68 years old and not exactly in it for the long haul. There is room for nuance in this discussion even if some ignore that possibility. Having Botterill in-house and only 40 years old should have been a slam-dunk transition and one that could have been successfully executed by promoting Jim Rutherford to another role within the organization. You can look at other examples of this with Brendan Shanahan, Cam Neely, John Davidson, and Luc Robataille.

For now Jim Rutherford says there are no plans to make a new hire to replace what Botterill has done. We'll see in the coming months/years how that plays out.

When the Penguins attempt to transition from the Crosby/Malkin era to the next chapter the team will probably be searching for a candidate that has all the qualities that Jason Botterill does.

What is Pittsburgh’s loss will be Buffalo’s gain.


Glad we didnt take that "slam dunk" and very happy to see "buffalos gain and pittsburghs loss" If that blog pretty much doesnt say straight up move JR into another role and promote Botterill I dont know what does... oh wait it actually does say that. The many comments start about 4 months after this blog about how Botterill was all good and Rutherford all bad.

Out of curiosity, would you guys do a deal along the lines of Hornqvist for Parise?
- drummer829

J.Johnson and Bjugstad in a deal for Suter. Sure. Any day of the week.

He just said the other day he was very happy with the D.
- burgh4life87

Oh Christ...

Straight from this blog... https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=85140

Jason Botterill’s resume reads like what most people would consider the perfect modern general manager candidate. He has an excellent understanding on how to develop from within, wizard with the salary cap, progressive on the analytics front, well-prepared, good communicator, and still has youth on his side with plenty of room to grow his skillset even more.

I will forever be puzzled why the organization did not make a better effort at keeping somebody with these qualities around. You can give credit to the job Jim Rutherford has done as general manager of the Penguins and also acknowledge that he is 68 years old and not exactly in it for the long haul. There is room for nuance in this discussion even if some ignore that possibility. Having Botterill in-house and only 40 years old should have been a slam-dunk transition and one that could have been successfully executed by promoting Jim Rutherford to another role within the organization. You can look at other examples of this with Brendan Shanahan, Cam Neely, John Davidson, and Luc Robataille.

For now Jim Rutherford says there are no plans to make a new hire to replace what Botterill has done. We'll see in the coming months/years how that plays out.

When the Penguins attempt to transition from the Crosby/Malkin era to the next chapter the team will probably be searching for a candidate that has all the qualities that Jason Botterill does.

What is Pittsburgh’s loss will be Buffalo’s gain.


Glad we didnt take that "slam dunk" and very happy to see "buffalos gain and pittsburghs loss" If that blog pretty much doesnt say straight up move JR into another role and promote Botterill I dont know what does... oh wait it actually does say that. The many comments start about 4 months after this blog about how Botterill was all good and Rutherford all bad.
- pens4life-66

July 10, 2019
https://hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=100456

"There is an early trend forming and it is one that isn’t likely to help the Penguins. Instead of having ELC options they have depth players like Brandon Tanev, Jack Johnson, and Erik Gudbranson making bank.

All that said, I do not subscribe to the theory that Jason Botterill made all the good moves in Pittsburgh and Jim Rutherford made all the bad moves. It’s an overly simplistic, lazy, and wrong way of looking at things. I do however believe there is nobody left in the Penguins front office whose voice can ring as loudly as Botterill’s did. Nobody seems to be providing any “push back” on Rutherford’s recent tendencies and preferences. Without that voice the Penguins have curiously shifted away from the kinds of players that made them back to back Stanley Cup champions. They are more worried about “being hard to play against” than actually being hard to play against (having the puck and doing positive things with it). Looking at how the Penguins and Sabres are currently building their back end is a microcosm of this. The Sabres are trending in the right direction while the Penguins defense is a real point of weakness."

So one of the Facebook comments on the trade with the Sharks says the Trade Center crew today said it was official that Guentzel is out season and playoffs now...anyone else hear or see this?

Ritchie to Boston. Seems like he would fit that system well

I was thinking today, the most exciting deadline deal for the Penguins in the Crosby era has to be the Hossa deal. Is there a close second? I cant remember how close Iginla was to deadline day, but that was pretty funny how he was going to Boston and then Pittsburgh got him early in the morning hours.

It is remarkable the talent that has been acquired to play on this team over the years headlined by Hossa, Iginla, & Marleau.

If they took Bjugstad and Jacko, I’d be interested in Suter.
- Barnaby36

Much as I hate Suter's contract, I might do that.

Going to be curious how the Parise for Ladd deal goes down as that's not a great contract in the short-term and buyout proof but is done 2 years sooner.

So one of the Facebook comments on the trade with the Sharks says the Trade Center crew today said it was official that Guentzel is out season and playoffs now...anyone else hear or see this?
- MattStrat

I've been listening all morning and haven't heard anything. Jim wanted to get a depth piece for the 3rd line that can move around the lineup and he did. He was very transparent about it too. Sounds like BS to me.

Much as I hate Suter's contract, I might do that.

Going to be curious how the Parise for Ladd deal goes down as that's not a great contract in the short-term and buyout proof but is done 2 years sooner.
- Tojo.

I’m think this year and the next 2. Our window won’t last forever. Suter is still good!

So one of the Facebook comments on the trade with the Sharks says the Trade Center crew today said it was official that Guentzel is out season and playoffs now...anyone else hear or see this?
- MattStrat

Boudreau assumed that Marleau is only playing on the first line with Sid and the pens only did this because Guentzel is out for the season. While pens fans see this as a depth move, the “analysts” see this as Marleau being stapled on the first line