50% of 1st round picks play 300 NHL games.
25% of 2nd round picks play 300 NHL games.
8% of players drafted after the 2nd round play 300 NHL games.

Going to take a while to see if today's trades impact the rebuild.

Gustafsson is awful, and has always been an awful defender. Save for his 1 outlier year last season, he's basically an AHL player. He'll probably ask for $4M or more as a FA.

Getting anything for 'ole #56 is a plus.

Lehner cost you no picks or prospects to get. Based on the fact that they moved him, it's pretty clear that Stan and Lehner were not in the same ballpark on an extension.

Getting something (3 somethings?) for something for which you paid nothing is a plus in my book.

Stan has some work to do in the off season, again. But this trade deadline is far from bad. Bad would be still having Lehner & Gustafsson on the roster after 3 PM EDT today.
- scottak

Well said everyone complaining should take a deep breath

The Canes didn't think so.
- mohel

Or they did and Stan balked. We will never know. 🤔

That’s a fair interpretation.

But for a team like Carolina who is top-10 in GA, #1 in SA, and lost their best offensive d-man and will be without him long-term, might Gus have made more sense to them?

We can do this all day long. I’m not here to pick fights. I’m just under the impression that Stan overplayed his hand, that’s all.
- TommyHawk

No you're not wrong on that. I think he was shooting too high because he thought his guys were more valuable than other teams thought they were. He waited thinking they would bite and they moved on and he had to move to his fallback trades

I always have been, maybe you are seeing clearer now.
- powerenforcer

Stop your lying

Scoring D is not that big of a deal if you have forwards who can score and forecheck. But since they have not mastered holding on to the puck yet, let alone scoring, you may have a point at least for the short term.

I still think losing Gus was a net win even with nothing in return. I saw at least three games he lost for them all by himself.
- Return of the Roar

addition by subtraction

50% of 1st round picks play 300 NHL games.
25% of 2nd round picks play 300 NHL games.
8% of players drafted after the 2nd round play 300 NHL games.

Going to take a while to see if today's trades impact the rebuild.
- stevefrmglencoe

There's a rebuild?

wait, we got a 3rd for Gust? that's sweet

Or they did and Stan balked. We will never know. 🤔
- TommyHawk

Alrighty then.

No you're not wrong on that. I think he was shooting too high because he thought his guys were more valuable than other teams thought they were. He waited thinking they would bite and they moved on and he had to move to his fallback trades
- Savetheembers33

Exactly. And that’s my belief too.

Per usual, he thought his guys were more valuable than they really were. That’s why he often re-acquires his own players - more value in his eyes to the team than others.

Wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if a second was on the table as early as Friday, but Stan held Gus out, holding for more - and waited, waited, and waited before having to accept a third.

Wait ... so ... Shalunov wasn't traded?

wait, we got a 3rd for Gust? that's sweet
- squishy24

Stan coulda had way more, but he effed it up!

This is Gustafsson's record prior to last season:

2011-12 Sweden 41 games 3+4=7
2012-13 Sweden 49 games 7+16=23
2013-14 Sweden 50 games 2+18=20
2014-15 Sweden 55 games 4+25=29
2017-18 Rockford 25 games 3+14+17

His Chicago stats were similar - 4 seasons - until last season - never double-digits in goals, never more than 1 goal every 7 games, never better than 1 point every 2 games.

Then last season he busts out - and this season reverts to his mean. And, of course, the defensive deficiencies.

How is he worth any more than a 3rd round pick?

Offensively Gus is MUCH better than Sami. Defensively Sami's MUCH better than Gus. It's easier to justify paying a 2nd Rd pick for a Defensemen who...actually plays Defense instead of a Defensemen who could make some awesome plays every game...but is more than likely going to give up at least two chances every game that could cost you the game
- Savetheembers33

Gus isn't "much" better offensively

Hes a career .54ppg (all 214gms at 27yrs old)

Take away the one career year of the 60pts in 79gms and hes around .41ppg. (This isnt fair to him, since he did get those points...but that year may just have been an outlier)

Vataten is at .45ppg at just over 400gms, and is pretty consistent around 35 point per year - while playing defence respectably

Serious question, in reference to today, is Sami Vatanen a much better player that Gus? He was able to fetch a 2nd and a former 2nd round prospect.

He’s also an expiring contract and currently on the IR and hasn’t ever eclipsed 40 points in a season. He may be considered a “steady” #4-type of d-man, but hard to believe that he’s more valuable than Gus is (even if Gus is worse defensively).
- TommyHawk

Vatanan is historically a much more reliable defenseman and those are considered a premium for the playoffs. IMO, Adventure Gus is not someone you want Qb'ing your playoff PP.

If the Canes held him in anywhere near where they viewed Vatanan, they would have put up the assets.

Exactly. And that’s my belief too.

Per usual, he thought his guys were more valuable than they really were. That’s why he often re-acquires his own players - more value in his eyes to the team than others.

Wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if a second was on the table as early as Friday, but Stan held Gus out, holding for more - and waited, waited, and waited before having to accept a third.
- TommyHawk

Belief based on no evidence, is my belief.

Or you overvalued Gus and don't want to admit it.

Wait ... so ... Shalunov wasn't traded?
- EbonyRaptor

To Minnesota- Shaulnov

To Chicago- Ryan Hartman.....


Done!

Exactly. And that’s my belief too.

Per usual, he thought his guys were more valuable than they really were. That’s why he often re-acquires his own players - more value in his eyes to the team than others.

Wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if a second was on the table as early as Friday, but Stan held Gus out, holding for more - and waited, waited, and waited before having to accept a third.
- TommyHawk

I'm with you on that 100%.

I think they had something working with the Canes for Lehner and Gus and he kept pushing it off because he wanted either more from them or Calgary/Vegas and was waiting for one to bite. Once Carolina moved on and made their deals he lost any leverage he had and had to take what he could in his backup deals

I always have been, maybe you are seeing clearer now.
- powerenforcer

Touche. I could simply be a lemming flowing the whim of the majority, I won't deny that.

That’s a fair interpretation.

But for a team like Carolina who is top-10 in GA, #1 in SA, and lost their best offensive d-man and will be without him long-term, might Gus have made more sense to them?

We can do this all day long. I’m not here to pick fights. I’m just under the impression that Stan overplayed his hand, that’s all.
- TommyHawk

Would you rather have Brade Skej or Gus Carolina decided Skej?

So how is it different...if Stan allegedly held out because "he thought" players were worth more, but they actually weren't..... to fans here complaining that "all he got" was a 2nd, 3rd and prospect for them?

Isnt that doing the exact same thing hes being criticized for?

I'm with you on that 100%.

I think they had something working with the Canes for Lehner and Gus and he kept pushing it off because he wanted either more from them or Calgary/Vegas and was waiting for one to bite. Once Carolina moved on and made their deals he lost any leverage he had and had to take what he could in his backup deals
- Savetheembers33

Bingo.

Would you rather have Brade Skej or Gus Carolina decided Skej?
- LAHawk

Irrelevant because Gus would not have fetched a first.

So how is it different...if Stan allegedly held out because "he thought" players were worth more, but they actually weren't..... to fans here complaining that "all he got" was a 2nd, 3rd and prospect for them?

Isnt that doing the exact same thing hes being criticized for?
- PatShart

Im fine with the return. The concern was he would nothing. Now on to the new HC search.

Who is to say CAR even offered anything for Lehner?

Did they go out and acquire another goaltender, since the Hawks asking price was allegedly "too high"?