It's a safe assumption based on Stans history of bringing in players. Prove me wrong.
- Toew Drags 4 Daze

You're funny.

Generally, you should post support for assertions. You seem to think a simple statement by you is correct until it is disproved. That's not how it works. Support your statement.

Unless Fleury is hurt, Lehner will not be taking off his baseball cap during the playoffs.
There is a team in Toronto that primarily uses advanced stats for making personnel decisions, how is that going for them?
- LAHawk

Seems to be going pretty good for the Canes so that argument is a wash.

Gus was having a down year. So we ask why wait until now and not deal him last summer? Calgary is hoping to get lucky and realize 60 point Gus in this deal. What is his value if he's on that kind of a scoring pace right now? Probably a first round pick. If he had this current level of production last season, what's that value? Probably a bag of pucks and some tape. So we have to ascertain the value is somewhere in between these two levels, and it's based on the probability the acquiring team has of realizing his peak production.
- 333inthe3rd

Lets be abundently clear about Gus - everybody around the NHL knows he cant play behind his own blue line. On a playoff team looking to go deep in the playoffs there is no interest in a player like him.
Calgary has injuries on their back end - Giordano, Hamonic etc. They spent a 3rd rounder because they needed a body. They wont resign him for next season.

You're funny.

Generally, you should post support for assertions. You seem to think a simple statement by you is correct until it is disproved. That's not how it works. Support your statement.
- mohel

You don’t understand how it works around here Bucky!

#narrativeisallthatmatters

Right, and would you ever in a million years trade a top 5 pick for Saad?
- Toew Drags 4 Daze

What does that have to do with anything? You were saying the prospect is no good because he fell in the draft from the 2nd to the 4th round.

Mine point and others is simply that players fall all the time. Some succeed some don't. You don't know anything about him other than he was picked in the 4th round so he sucks.

Wasn't Hammer a 4th rounder?

They got exactly what I expected. So we are trading Gus after a down year? That sieve has had down years ever since he came to the NHL. Lehner for a 2nd, good riddance, we added two picks and subtracted a below average Dman, and a self centered overrated goalie. I’m okay with the moves, now let’s get another top five pick for our rebuild.Go Hawks!
- Angotti

Likely with Subban in goal for several games.

You don’t understand how it works around here Bucky!

#narrativeisallthatmatters
- paulr

I'm not going to be everyone's stats guy, I tried that weeks ago and still people don't want to see it. So now I'm going to do like everyone else on here and make claims without supporting evidence, even though it's a click away.

I think it's very likely yeah. Fleury hasn't been good this year. Lehner has been a stud. Do the math.
- Toew Drags 4 Daze

The math indicates there is not a big difference.
Fleury 44 games started, 25 wins 5 OT losses. . 906 save %. 2.79 GAA.
Lehner 31 games started, 16 wins, 5 OT losses. .918 save %. 3.01 GAA

Point of reference. The Hawks have 27 wins in 62 games.

Lehner is 7 years younger. But I really think that only comes into play if they resign him. But they have Fleury signed for 2 more years at $7 mil per year. So that might be tough with their cap situation.

You did both at the same time.
- 6628

You got a backup Goalie (good to have in case Crow gets hurt again), a lottery prospect, and a 2nd pick that could become something as well.

Not saying anything will come from any of those three players but I'd rather take a shot at one working then having him walk for nothing

You're funny.

Generally, you should post support for assertions. You seem to think a simple statement by you is correct until it is disproved. That's not how it works. Support your statement.
- mohel

Literally... LITERALLY all you have to do is click on the links I posted weeks ago showing every aquisition under Bowman to see this. I've already given this information, I'm not going to post it every damn time.

Why didnt any team offer the all world Lehner a long term, big dollar deal last off season when he was a UFA?

One would think, at 27, Vezina finalist, he would have had his pick of contracts

Just so I know I am not losing my mind - is this a good summary of the last cople hours here on the HB board? Most were pissing and moaning because Stan was not making any moves. Stan moves 2 players we all expected to move. Most are pissing and moaning because Stan moved players and are not happy with the return.

Maybe most here just like to piss and moan.
- powerenforcer

Wait a second.... PE is the voice of reason here? Magic!

The math indicates there is not a big difference.
Fleury 44 games started, 25 wins 5 OT losses. . 906 save %. 2.79 GAA.
Lehner 31 games started, 16 wins, 5 OT losses. .918 save %. 3.01 GAA

Point of reference. The Hawks have 27 wins in 62 games.

Lehner is 7 years younger. But I really think that only comes into play if they resign him. But they have Fleury signed for 2 more years at $7 mil per year. So that might be tough with their cap situation.
- -Doh-

That's a pretty big difference in save percentage especially considering the quality of the D Lehner played behind while posting those numbers.

What does that have to do with anything? You were saying the prospect is no good because he fell in the draft from the 2nd to the 4th round.

Mine point and others is simply that players fall all the time. Some succeed some don't. You don't know anything about him other than he was picked in the 4th round so he sucks.

Wasn't Hammer a 4th rounder?
- HawkintheD

What do you know? Datsyuk was drafted in the sixth round and Zetterburg was drafted in the seventh and we all know they both suck

I'm not going to be everyone's stats guy, I tried that weeks ago and still people don't want to see it. So now I'm going to do like everyone else on here and make claims without supporting evidence, even though it's a click away.
- Toew Drags 4 Daze

The door for this site is the power button on your computer. Use it.

By the way, I’m running GPS for Elbows, and Lehner is in the back seat telling us how good he is.
- Angotti

While his agent is here on the board explaining how good he is too...

On Gus.....have you read about him on this board? He's in the bottom 5% of players in the league, and now there's complaints about the return? I love this place.

Did the Cup window close without you knowing it?
- mohel

I was actually one of the few staunch supporters of Gus dating back to last season. He makes his fair share of mistakes - no doubt about it - but he was still our best offensive d-man by FAR. Who do we turn to now? Keith’s one goal a year? Boqvist’s 8 points in 35 games? (Still far away from being impactful). Or do we hope that Maatta or Murphy become offensive stalwarts?

On top of losing your best offensive d-man, you trade away your best goalie as well.

Again, both guys needed to be dealt because they aren’t long-term fits for us. But simply “getting any return” doesn’t fly here. Not with some of the prices other teams were willing to pay this time of year.

Literally... LITERALLY all you have to do is click on the links I posted weeks ago showing every aquisition under Bowman to see this. I've already given this information, I'm not going to post it every damn time.
- Toew Drags 4 Daze

You were talking about Lehner being Vezina quality. Support your assertion.

Go back and look at your posts from weeks ago....you are funny.

What does that have to do with anything? You were saying the prospect is no good because he fell in the draft from the 2nd to the 4th round.

Mine point and others is simply that players fall all the time. Some succeed some don't. You don't know anything about him other than he was picked in the 4th round so he sucks.

Wasn't Hammer a 4th rounder?
- HawkintheD

There's tons of case of this...

Andres Lee was a 6th Rd pick

Jamie Benn was a 5th Rd pick

Pekka Rinne was an 8th Rd pick

Joe Pavelski was a 7th Rd pick

Henrik Lundqvist was a 7th Rd pick

Henrik Zetterberg was a 7th Rd pick

Pavel Datsyuk was a 6th Rd pick

There are examples plenty that where you are drafted does not matter much compared to how the player develops

Also the fact that you're basing trades off a few games instead of a seasons worth of statistics shows your mental capacity.
- Toew Drags 4 Daze

I have had enough of the troll

I was actually one of the few staunch supporters of Gus dating back to last season. He makes his fair share of mistakes - no doubt about it - but he was still our best offensive d-man by FAR. Who do we turn to now? Keith’s one goal a year? Boqvist’s 8 points in 35 games? (Still far away from being impactful). Or do we hope that Maatta or Murphy become offensive stalwarts?

On top of losing your best offensive d-man, you trade away your best goalie as well.

Again, both guys needed to be dealt because they aren’t long-term fits for us. But simply “getting any return” doesn’t fly here. Not with some of the prices other teams were willing to pay this time of year.
- TommyHawk

Scoring D is not that big of a deal if you have forwards who can score and forecheck. But since they have not mastered holding on to the puck yet, let alone scoring, you may have a point at least for the short term.

I still think losing Gus was a net win even with nothing in return. I saw at least three games he lost for them all by himself.

I'm really surprised that they weren't able to make their cap space worth something to someone.

I was actually one of the few staunch supporters of Gus dating back to last season. He makes his fair share of mistakes - no doubt about it - but he was still our best offensive d-man by FAR. Who do we turn to now? Keith’s one goal a year? Boqvist’s 8 points in 35 games? (Still far away from being impactful). Or do we hope that Maatta or Murphy become offensive stalwarts?

On top of losing your best offensive d-man, you trade away your best goalie as well.

Again, both guys needed to be dealt because they aren’t long-term fits for us. But simply “getting any return” doesn’t fly here. Not with some of the prices other teams were willing to pay this time of year.
- TommyHawk

The only question that we don't know the answer to is "were they willing to pay those prices for our players?".

Lehner's comments about not taking a discount were more than likely his signal back to the front office that to stay with this s***show he needed to be paid big time, let alone no discount.

Good for RL. Its going to be three more years, so why waste your prime performance and earning years backing up a team trending from bad to worse.
- Return of the Roar

Exactly...nothing happening here.

Scoring D is not that big of a deal if you have forwards who can score and forecheck. But since they have not mastered holding on to the puck yet, let alone scoring, you may have a point at least for the short term.

I still think losing Gus was a net win even with nothing in return. I saw at least three games he lost for them all by himself.
- Return of the Roar

Scoring D hasn't worked out for the Sharks this year, that is for sure.