Win games. Rare you saying the team isn't good enough? So it's on Dubas?
- aminnes

Almost same pace as last year...

Maybe 5 years ago. His game is clearly slipping. And how was Bergeron at age 22...
- RogerRoeper

Just saying they need to focus on their end more instead of flying the zone. I know Matthews been working on it..hope he gets there. Team needs to look at how the other team played last night

So he can keep trading away draft picks when his philosophy of soft skill only team is the root cause.

The team had so much potential. Dubas blew it all
- gamerdoc

This.

Just saying they need to focus on their end more instead of flying the zone. I know Matthews been working on it..hope he gets there. Team needs to look at how the other team played last night
- TincupCanuck

Matthews is far better than Bergeron at the same age. Leaf fans need patience

The thing you are missing is RNH hasn't been a disappointment because of $, he was an extremely weak 1st overall player. Matthews is in another universe.

All 1st overalls are not the same
- RogerRoeper

And Marner is better than any of those guys were, as is Tavares. Nylander is better than RNH and Eberle. They have Rielly. They can attract free agents like Snake and Mikheyev because they aren't in Edmonton. In short it's not very similar.

Matthews is far better than Bergeron at the same age. Leaf fans need patience
- RogerRoeper

Far better offensively...

And Marner is better than any of those guys were, as is Tavares. Nylander is better than RNH and Eberle. They have Rielly. They can attract free agents like Snake and Mikheyev because they aren't in Edmonton. In short it's not very similar.
- Zezel

Yep. Night and day.

Far better offensively...
- TincupCanuck

Bergeron was nothing special at 22

Our 22 year-old franchise C on pace for 60 goals 100 points sucks!

The thing you are missing is RNH hasn't been a disappointment because of $, he was an extremely weak 1st overall player. Matthews is in another universe.

All 1st overalls are not the same
- RogerRoeper

Yup. that's why AM got a lot more money. You are missing the point. It's okay.

Yup. that's why AM got a lot more money. You are missing the point. It's okay.
- aminnes

You are missing the point that those players are far worse thna the Leaf players. $ wasn't why RNH isn't a star.

Edmonton was a horribly run organbization. There are so many reasons they have struggled. It's not because they gave RNH too mucxh $

Bergeron was nothing special at 22
- RogerRoeper

Not bashing Matthews..my favorite leaf.
The core is great..just need some work horses around them to be defensively responsible and did the dirty work

Matthews is far better than Bergeron at the same age. Leaf fans need patience
- RogerRoeper

Fire keefe.

He played the 4th line in the last 2 minutes.

Bergeron was nothing special at 22
- RogerRoeper

70P

Certainly no 2nd in the league for goal scoring

You are missing the point that those players are far worse thna the Leaf players. $ wasn't why RNH isn't a star.

Edmonton was a horribly run organbization. There are so many reasons they have struggled. It's not because they gave RNH too mucxh $
- RogerRoeper

They overpaid their rfa's and couldn't add enough good depth.

It is exactly the same.

Yup. that's why AM got a lot more money. You are missing the point. It's okay.
- aminnes

You are missing the point that there are plenty of young players who have been accused of "not being ble to win" or being paid too much too early.

Ovechkin comes to mind. Hell even Yzerman.

I agree that maybe the money went to their head, but to believe other teams don't go through similar issues is moronic.

The young guys need to grow. Getting spanked (and hopefully humbled) is part of that growth.

You are missing the point that those players are far worse thna the Leaf players. $ wasn't why RNH isn't a star.

Edmonton was a horribly run organbization. There are so many reasons they have struggled. It's not because they gave RNH too mucxh $
- RogerRoeper

Dude. Paying players out of entry level based on their maximum potential upside rarely if ever works out in the long run - was the point. You turned that into "Matthews sucks". Stop being so insecure.

To your second point, so are you admitting the Leafs are poorly run? These guys are as you say, way better, yet they can't get out of round one and may even miss the playoffs just like those Oilers.

The funniest thing of all is the people saying the Shanny era team is hopeless now. That's really, really hilarious poop.

Leafs win the next game over Tampa without a doubt. This will turn their season around.
- RogerRoeper

This team is built wrong plain and simple. (And you're usually spewing that every day)

Dubas' philosophy that skill/talent beat heart is so fu3king flawed.

I would blow off this year so we keep our 1st. Then I would get rid of, and in this order:

Dubas
Marincin
Marincin again...because somehow this cu3t is like herpes
Barrie
JT
...see what you get with those trades, then fill the gaps with heart and soul players using:

Nylander
Engvall
Bracco
Dermott
...and any other entitled, little...or big soft fu3ks, talent/skill player without heart.

GLG 20/21

I've seen some embarrassing games, last night has me really close to tuning this team out. Just horrible.

You are missing the point that there are plenty of young players who have been accused of "not being ble to win" or being paid too much too early.

Ovechkin comes to mind. Hell even Yzerman.

I agree that maybe the money went to their head, but to believe other teams don't go through similar issues is moronic.

The young guys need to grow. Getting spanked (and hopefully humbled) is part of that growth.
- Leafs43

This is literally what I'm saying! It took those guys years to hone their craft into championship material. In other words, they were paid too much and weren't ready for it.

This is literally what I'm saying! It took those guys years to hone their craft into championship material. In other words, they were paid too much and weren't ready for it.
- aminnes

All long term contracts are like that for the younger guys

You overpay at the start to get value at the end of it

Funny thing is, Babs wasn’t the problem. I think most knew.

The players hated him though. You can see extra spring in MM and AM’s step in particular.

Keefe rode them out for sometime and they are back to earth.

I’m not convinced Dubas and Keefe will take us to the promised land. Not while you trade away all of your picks to build a mediocre, no heat, skill only team.

Breaking news..

Leafs have asked for royalties on the Ayers story ....
- dozerD10

Probably and he is guaranteed to be the zamboni driver in Toronto until he cant drive any more.

All long term contracts are like that for the younger guys

You overpay at the start to get value at the end of it
- Dozzer

Or you don't, and have to rebuild again.

Plus MM and AM didn't sign for very long term anyway.

The funniest thing of all is the people saying the Shanny era team is hopeless now. That's really, really hilarious poop.
- Zezel

I find the "blow it up" talk funny. It's been 4 (frank)ing years. Give it time.