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Edmonton Oilers
Acquire:

Mike Green

Detroit Red Wings
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Kyle Brodziak
Conditional pick (2020 or 2021)

12:37 am ET | Details

Edmonton Oilers
Acquire:

Mike Green

Detroit Red Wings
Acquire:

Kyle Brodziak
Conditional pick (2020 or 2021)
- ghetto puck

Good. One less offencemen available to Dubas.

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Edmonton Oilers
Acquire:

Mike Green

Detroit Red Wings
Acquire:

Kyle Brodziak
Conditional pick (2020 or 2021)
- ghetto puck

Months ago I began to think that the best option for the Leafs was to go all in on a mega deal for an elite defender who plays a strong game at both ends of the ice (eg., Doughty). It would mean moving out an elite, high priced player like Marner or Nylander for a fit under the CAP requirements.

I am now convinced that Dubas is incapable of doing this kind of deal. He does not seem to grasp intangible team values. For example, right from day one, many of us squawked about the insanity of the Kadri trade. In that deal, the Leafs gave up character, heart, physicality. Kadri enabled every player in the line up to play a stronger game.

Most Leaf fans have come around to understand the failure. Dubas does not get it.

Months ago I began to think that the best option for the Leafs was to go all in on a mega deal for an elite defender who plays a strong game at both ends of the ice (eg., Doughty). It would mean moving out an elite, high priced player like Marner or Nylander for a fit under the CAP requirements.

I am now convinced that Dubas is incapable of doing this kind of deal. He does not seem to grasp intangible team values. For example, right from day one, many of us squawked about the insanity of the Kadri trade. In that deal, the Leafs gave up character, heart, physicality. Kadri enabled every player in the line up to play a stronger game.

Most Leaf fans have come around to understand the failure. Dubas does not get it.
- spatso

Still squawking like the female dog you are

Total Drama Island

3 years of Gards for your 1st back? You’re a sucker for punishment
- Woderwick

I saw a video clip of the Ayres game and while he was being praised in front of their bench, there's Gardiner on the bench with his typical blank stare

Imagine what was going through his head the entire game

I saw a video clip of the Ayres game and while he was being praised in front of their bench, there's Gardiner on the bench with his typical blank stare

Imagine what was going through his head the entire game
- jimi james

He was trying very hard to remember which team he was playing for. It consumed all his processing cycles.

Iv done my best to stay away from Leafs related social media and HB the last 24 hours...It was the right move...what a pile of hot garbage.

Its trade day so I will put on my HB pants as long as I can stand it

interesting results here, Based on the noise I would have though the votes would be the opposite

https://twitter.com/mirtl...tatus/1231917136341340160

Iv done my best to stay away from Leafs related social media and HB the last 24 hours...It was the right move...what a pile of hot garbage.

Its trade day so I will put on my HB pants as long as I can stand it
- senstroll

Just put on the wife’s today.

Any link to the TSN show?

Iv done my best to stay away from Leafs related social media and HB the last 24 hours...It was the right move...what a pile of hot garbage.

Its trade day so I will put on my HB pants as long as I can stand it
- senstroll

Good move, and I did the same. Raw sewage like Spatso, seem to hang around after a Leaf loss - particularly a stinker like the one on Saturday. The loss was a team effort, goalie was terrible, coach was terrible, Marner may have played his worst game as a Leaf. His attempt at the dog-paddle during an important power play was particularly disgusting.

Just put on the wife’s today.
- Garnie

if I was working from home, maybe

interesting results here, Based on the noise I would have though the votes would be the opposite

https://twitter.com/mirtl...tatus/1231917136341340160
- senstroll

Twitter makes HB look sane most days.

if I was working from home, maybe
- senstroll

Good move, and I did the same. Raw sewage like Spatso, seem to hang around after a Leaf loss - particularly a stinker like the one on Saturday. The loss was a team effort, goalie was terrible, coach was terrible, Marner may have played his worst game as a Leaf. His attempt at the dog-paddle during an important power play was particularly disgusting.
- winsix

My biggest take away was how well the Canes shut down the Leafs, they really came together and put in an effort to give the Leafs almost nothing.

As much as we can say why dont the leafs just shoot, they were given nothing, an amazing job by the canes. They wanted to win for the goalie. Sometimes its not just that the Leafs gave up or didnt try, there are 2 teams out there.

My biggest take away was how well the Canes shut down the Leafs, they really came together and put in an effort to give the Leafs almost nothing.

As much as we can say why dont the leafs just shoot, they were given nothing, an amazing job by the canes. They wanted to win for the goalie. Sometimes its not just that the Leafs gave up or didnt try, there are 2 teams out there.
- senstroll

We need to play that way, seems better then giving up 10 breakaways/game.

We need to play that way, seems better then giving up 10 breakaways/game.
- Garnie

They did for 1 game against the Pens, at least its only TB next

My biggest take away was how well the Canes shut down the Leafs, they really came together and put in an effort to give the Leafs almost nothing.

As much as we can say why dont the leafs just shoot, they were given nothing, an amazing job by the canes. They wanted to win for the goalie. Sometimes its not just that the Leafs gave up or didnt try, there are 2 teams out there.
- senstroll

I agree the Canes went next level in terms of effort but Keefe and Marner used words like "embarrassment" and "dogpoop" to describe the leaf performance.

So it's either dogpoop effort or dogpoop ability. Personally I think it's a bit of both. Experience helps with that "effort" variable and the Leafs lack some of that. And the blue line is just so thin right now that the "ability" has got to be a factor. Sandin, Holl, Marincin and Dermott all being asked for too much.

Good lord,

If you think we are idiots here, the people calling in to the Fan590 are all suggesting we trade Marner.

I believe there is something wrong in that room. I have no idea what it is. I seriously doubt it is a single player somehow bringing down the whole team and if it is, I would be surprised to hear it was Marner. Yeah, he is overpaid and yeah he is in a funk and was horrible apparently on Saturday. It just seems like a huge leap to conclude that the problem will be corrected by trading him.

I would still point the finger at the coach or even at the captain, before pointing it at Marner.

So interesting day in Leaf land. Buy, sell, sit tight ....?

I agree the Canes went next level in terms of effort but Keefe and Marner used words like "embarrassment" and "dogpoop" to describe the leaf performance.

So it's either dogpoop effort or dogpoop ability. Personally I think it's a bit of both. Experience helps with that "effort" variable and the Leafs lack some of that. And the blue line is just so thin right now that the "ability" has got to be a factor. Sandin, Holl, Marincin and Dermott all being asked for too much.
- The Law

Agree on the D. Holl and Dermott seems to really struggle as they get more responsibility.

I dont know how, but get Reilly back and get 2 more Legit NHL D to push everyone down a bit. Its rielly/muzzin, Sandin/Lily as the keepers.... and 2 huge upgrades as a min. which means 2 RHD

first 20 under keefe
15 - 4- 1 which most knew would never last.
Last 20 under keefe
8 - 9 - 3

Team has no intensity or work ethic it seems.

Im up for moving any player not named JT and muzzin. Obviously not moving AM.
But admittedly, I dont expect any major shake up today.
After saturday's franchise low game, Dubas may do some minor tweeks.
Unless they can get someone on a long term deal.

We'll see.