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JohnFergusonJr
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'd be happy with Che Guevara; hero of the Cuban revolution. - Canada Cup aka AOCC
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 23 @ 6:33 PM ET
Dear Kyle

Please acquire

Jones
Chychrun
Dahlin
Makar
Hughes
Lindholm
Parayko
Pietrangelo
Sanheim
Provorov
Myers
Dumba
Nurse
Severson
Manson
Dunn

Thx in advance

No thanks to Doughty😁

- mr.sir


Jones - Not available or realistic.
Chychrun - Not available or realistic.
Dahlin - Not available or realistic.
Makar - Not available or realistic.
Hughes - Not available or realistic.
Lindholm - Might be available but not a RHD.
Parayko - Not available or realistic.
Pietrangelo - Not available or realistic. Can't afford to sign as a UFA.
Sanheim - Not top pair D. 2nd pair RHD option.
Provorov - Not available or realistic.
Myers - Not a top pair D. Overpaid.
Dumba - Not a top pair D. Another Phaneuf but smaller.
Nurse - Not available or realistic.
Severson - Not a top pair D. 2nd pair RHD option.
Manson - Not a top pair D. 2nd pair RHD option.
Dunn - Not a top pair D. Offensive D, not very defensive.

Doughty - Best option of this entire list if some salary is retained.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Feb 23 @ 6:34 PM ET
matthews is quickly becoming a more productive and skilled phil kessel.
- ghetto puck

Sorry I am not seeing it. Matthews is 3rd in the NHL in takeaways. He is 1st in goals and 1st in 5 on 5 goals. He's a franchise C you build your team around.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Feb 23 @ 6:34 PM ET
Long term plan requires draft picks and prospects. Dubas is clearly not looking at long term plan. He’s thinking short term survival.
- gamerdoc


Except they have highly skilled/talented players for 5 years already.

They have prospects playing for them currently.

They have a moderate amount of picks and really dont need a first rounder for 1 or 2 years.

They are actually fine for long term.
JohnFergusonJr
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'd be happy with Che Guevara; hero of the Cuban revolution. - Canada Cup aka AOCC
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 23 @ 6:35 PM ET
Ah yes. The elusive "heart" players. (frank)ing shoot me if we start trading away our best players for David Clarkson types.

We need our players to give a poop more...Not piss them all away for scrappy/talentless hacks.

- Leafs43


A player with heart doesn't have to be useless like David Clarkson.

Ryan O'Reilly isn't ever going to win an Art Ross trophy or a Hart trophy but he did win a Conn Smythe trophy. Why? Because he plays hard and plays big when it matters most. But during the season, he's a 60 point player who does all the little things right when the playoffs start.

That's the type of "heart and soul" players the Leafs need.
ghetto puck
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Wah gwaan?
Joined: 10.25.2007

Feb 23 @ 6:35 PM ET
You are missing the point that there are plenty of young players who have been accused of "not being ble to win" or being paid too much too early.

Ovechkin comes to mind. Hell even Yzerman.

I agree that maybe the money went to their head, but to believe other teams don't go through similar issues is moronic.

The young guys need to grow. Getting spanked (and hopefully humbled) is part of that growth.

- Leafs43

ovechkin signed his career away to washington, the problem is matthews marner and nylander didn't, the leafs have 4 years of matthews and no guarantee he is re-signing here as an american born player.
fifty__missions
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burkie's Rented Barn, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Feb 23 @ 6:35 PM ET
I find the "blow it up" talk funny. It's been 4 (frank)ing years. Give it time.
- Aaron_85

I'm not in the 'blow it up' camp. But I am in the 'trade Willian Nylander at the draft for defensive help' camp.
gamerdoc
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.06.2019

Feb 23 @ 6:36 PM ET
Well, the point is they have a bunch of extremely high picks playing on their roster. I agree they should try to not deplete more picks going forward, but the pick trading they have done is very, very different from Leaf regimes in the past.

It's common for teams to be more likely to trade picks after they already have a bunch of high draft pick players in the fold. They aren't doing a Burkie by any means.

- Zezel


Dubas had a vastly superior building blocks than Burke ever had, and nothing he has done so far convinces me he know what it takes to win anymore than Burke.

In sports, in my experience, you either have “ir” or you don’t... he would make a great assistant GM, but he hasn’t shown fan anything other than he is stubborn about skill or bust approach, despite evidence otherwise.
underhill14
Location: I think I'll just sit back stage until somebody that matters calls me out.-King of HB Systemtool
Joined: 06.02.2010

Feb 23 @ 6:36 PM ET
Toronto fans are so melodramatic
- RogerRoeper


No.

Tired of losing...always...for 52 fu3king years. Continual d1ck punch.

And it's not like the team isn't making tons of money...which is the punch in the nut sack.
fifty__missions
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burkie's Rented Barn, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Feb 23 @ 6:37 PM ET
I won't ansd I believe they can win the 1st round.
- RogerRoeper

"We can, and we will!"
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #FireDubas
Joined: 04.23.2012

Feb 23 @ 6:37 PM ET
Trade Nylander and Barrie.
If Dubas isnt willing to do so - fire him.
Would prefer if Leafs get rid of Shanahan and Keefe as well.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Feb 23 @ 6:37 PM ET
Except, dubas is trading away most of high picks nowadays

He’s not looking at long term plan. He is trying to survive beyond this year and next.

- gamerdoc


His last 2 highest picks of each of the past 2 drafts are Rasmus Sandin and Nick Robertson...
mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pretentious Beer Snob, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Feb 23 @ 6:37 PM ET
what i would do from here is trade the ufas, keeping only clifford and muzzin if they sign team friendly deals clifford 3 years or less muzzin 4 years or less at good numbers or comparable to their current cap hits.

that means trading spezza and barrie whatever the return, if you can parlay them into defensive team upgrades or prospects and picks. trade ceci if they can.

from there i would listen to offers for kap, johnsson, kerfoot, dermott, holl, gauthier and then marlie guys like marincin, petan, schmaltz, gravel, hutch, kaskisuo, aberg, gaudet, kossila, wilson, agostino if there's interest.

as far as the main roster, i would move tavares to left wing and put nylander at centre like he wanted. also flip hyman to right wing, time to jumble everything up until the end of the season comes if you make the playoffs great if you don't you don't. 1st round pick was traded to carolina in the deal for marleau and is top ten protected, would be a shame if the leafs ended up picking 11-20 and carolina gets to make that pick.

tavares-matthews-hyman
engvall-nylander-marner
clifford-kerfoot-kapanen
wilson-malgin-bracco (possibly aberg)
scratches - gauthier, agostino (flip flops with garrett wilson, more effective player plays)

leafs need to acquire another solid left hand shooting left winger who can score goals and play hard on the puck and opposing players. would be nice if he had some size and was defensively responsible as well.

send sandin and liljegren down, both guys are not ready or maybe aren't good enough.
marincin traded or waived.
maybe sign bogosian 1 year league minimum.

rielly will return to top pair upon return, gravel or dermott will then sit, the better playing guy will play on the 3rd pair)

dermott-bogosian
muzzin-schmaltz
gravel-holl

might consider trading andersen if the return is really sweet and nets the leafs an excellent defenseman in addition to a solid back up goalie for campbell as starter.

andersen
campbell

if this is successful you keep rolling it out or you keep pulling names out of a hat with the lines until you find something that works or the season ends and you end up wherever you end up and you ride out the season like that.

- ghetto puck

To be fair, I already went into your post with very little intention to take anything you wrote seriously.

Moving Tavares to the wing though? You have outdone yourself, sir!
gamerdoc
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.06.2019

Feb 23 @ 6:38 PM ET
Except they have highly skilled/talented players for 5 years already.

They have prospects playing for them currently.

They have a moderate amount of picks and really dont need a first rounder for 1 or 2 years.

They are actually fine for long term.

- Aaron_85


If AM stays beyond his term. If this continues, do you really think he will? He is a mercenary.
Leafs43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Feb 23 @ 6:38 PM ET
Obviously not David Clarkson or talentless hacks...not sure if you're being snitty but if you are fu3k off...

But if you're not being a douche, how does one go about getting the bolded to happen??? I am extremely interested in your answer.

- underhill14


Same way they taught Kadri to grow the hell up a few years ago. I am also hoping they mature with age. But I'm a believer that it is easier to teach a skilled player to give a poop than it is to teach the level of skill that Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Tavares have.

Your strategy would undoubtedly have us stuck with a Lucic/Clarkson types.



JohnFergusonJr
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'd be happy with Che Guevara; hero of the Cuban revolution. - Canada Cup aka AOCC
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 23 @ 6:38 PM ET
Except they have highly skilled/talented players for 5 years already.

They have prospects playing for them currently.

They have a moderate amount of picks and really dont need a first rounder for 1 or 2 years.

They are actually fine for long term.

- Aaron_85


They are "fine" in the sense that they have their high draft pick players locked up. But their depth and defense, long term, is a disaster.

Similar to how Edmonton had all these 1st overall picks that were all offensive forwards. Their blueline was garbage for years. It wasn't until they got Nurse, Broberg and Bouchard in their system that it started to even out a little bit. Leafs don't have any D prospects that good and that's a big problem.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Feb 23 @ 6:38 PM ET
I'm not in the 'blow it up' camp. But I am in the 'trade Willian Nylander at the draft for defensive help' camp.
- fifty__missions

This line is tirsesome. What Dman?
underhill14
Location: I think I'll just sit back stage until somebody that matters calls me out.-King of HB Systemtool
Joined: 06.02.2010

Feb 23 @ 6:38 PM ET
A player with heart doesn't have to be useless like David Clarkson.

Ryan O'Reilly isn't ever going to win an Art Ross trophy or a Hart trophy but he did win a Conn Smythe trophy. Why? Because he plays hard and plays big when it matters most. But during the season, he's a 60 point player who does all the little things right when the playoffs start.

That's the type of "heart and soul" players the Leafs need.

- JohnFergusonJr


Have to agree with this one JFJ.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Feb 23 @ 6:39 PM ET
They are "fine" in the sense that they have their high draft pick players locked up. But their depth and defense, long term, is a disaster.

Similar to how Edmonton had all these 1st overall picks that were all offensive forwards. Their blueline was garbage for years. It wasn't until they got Nurse, Broberg and Bouchard in their system that it started to even out a little bit. Leafs don't have any D prospects that good and that's a big problem.

- JohnFergusonJr



Sandin and Lilljegren?
mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pretentious Beer Snob, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Feb 23 @ 6:39 PM ET
Trade Nylander and Barrie.
If Dubas isnt willing to do so - fire him.
Would prefer if Leafs get rid of Shanahan and Keefe as well.

- MaximusAurelius

I hope the Leafs re-sign Barrie, keep BillyNy until his contract expires, and Shanahan renews faith in the Dubas-Keefe tandem.

Just to see you implode.
aminnes
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Mrs. Buzzkill, AB
Joined: 12.17.2008

Feb 23 @ 6:39 PM ET
A player with heart doesn't have to be useless like David Clarkson.

Ryan O'Reilly isn't ever going to win an Art Ross trophy or a Hart trophy but he did win a Conn Smythe trophy. Why? Because he plays hard and plays big when it matters most. But during the season, he's a 60 point player who does all the little things right when the playoffs start.

That's the type of "heart and soul" players the Leafs need.

- JohnFergusonJr


It's like these guys think there are only bums who care and stars who float.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Feb 23 @ 6:39 PM ET
If AM stays beyond his term. If this continues, do you really think he will? He is a mercenary.
- gamerdoc


If Leafs offer him the biggest NHL contract he says no?
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Feb 23 @ 6:40 PM ET
Trade Nylander and Barrie.
If Dubas isnt willing to do so - fire him.
Would prefer if Leafs get rid of Shanahan and Keefe as well.

- MaximusAurelius

Fire Dubas for not agreeing with me

-Max
JohnFergusonJr
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'd be happy with Che Guevara; hero of the Cuban revolution. - Canada Cup aka AOCC
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 23 @ 6:40 PM ET
Have to agree with this one JFJ.
- underhill14


There's a substantial list of players like that who won Cups in the past. Mike Richards, before his drug problems, was another one of those types of players. Brad Richards was kind of like that too. Jonathan Toews is another one. Never going to win a major offensive scoring trophy but huge player in the playoffs. Crosby and Ovechkin qualify as heart and soul players who also win MVP titles but Matthews doesn't seem to be in the category, not yet anyway.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Feb 23 @ 6:40 PM ET
A player with heart doesn't have to be useless like David Clarkson.

Ryan O'Reilly isn't ever going to win an Art Ross trophy or a Hart trophy but he did win a Conn Smythe trophy. Why? Because he plays hard and plays big when it matters most. But during the season, he's a 60 point player who does all the little things right when the playoffs start.

That's the type of "heart and soul" players the Leafs need.

- JohnFergusonJr


The funny thing about this is ROR couldn't even take his team to the playoffs until he was 28. He couldn't lift the Avs or Sabres to anything. Perspective my friend,
ghetto puck
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Wah gwaan?
Joined: 10.25.2007

Feb 23 @ 6:41 PM ET
Muzzin and Clifford will wait to resign until after the deadline and then they will have more leverage.
- aminnes

if they plan on sticking up the team then trade them.
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