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Bryz's Buyout Fund
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.20.2020

Feb 21 @ 2:39 PM ET
Talking. Speculating. If we are giving up a d man who is signed and has promise I would want something better than duclair. Instead of trying to get two players that would be hard to pry away as a tandem just due to the possible asking price of a seller I would rather try to get domi for ghost and a pick. Domi is an Rfa so there is some protection for us. Due to his down year (s) that’s why ghost plus the second for domi is what I would offer. Said don’t think they are shopping him but he is also not untouchable. We are down of ghost right now but the going rate for a d man is usually more that wingers.
- Peter Richards


Sure. Montreal won't be making the playoffs again this year. Things are tough when you have over 18 mil locked up between your goalie and top d man. Who knows what their strategy is?

But to the point above, I agree. If you're going to give up quality pieces (Ghost, prospects, top picks) you better be getting back even more of a quality player.
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Feb 21 @ 2:41 PM ET
Hindsight
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

this is all hindsight. hindsight says they shouldve have picked Carlson over Sbisa.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 21 @ 2:44 PM ET
It’s ironic that AV had this reputation of preferring vets over younger guys, because that’s the view we heard from Rangers fans and the media, but he’s given guys NAK, Frost, Farabee and Twarynski meaningful playing time. That previous narrative was either exaggerated or the rookies have really forced his hand.
- Sublime55



Some fans don't understand why coaches play vets over youth and vice versa.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Feb 21 @ 2:54 PM ET
Some fans don't understand why coaches play vets over youth and vice versa.
- MJL



Plus we have better quality youth than those teams had.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Feb 21 @ 2:54 PM ET
Ilya Sorokons trade to CHI(unconfirmed). Not sure what Isles get. Funny if Lehner
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 21 @ 2:58 PM ET
Plus we have better quality youth than those teams had.
- MBFlyerfan



No question about it. Vigneault is a really good coach who is doing a strong job but he also has a better roster to use. A lot of the growing pains happened under the previous coaching staff.
bmoreflyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Baltimore
Joined: 07.06.2017

Feb 21 @ 3:14 PM ET
All this provy for domi trade speculation is pure blasphemy. Provy is our future C, he is also looking more ala Forsberg every day with that facial hair. My man crush is strong right now.

Also, DuClair hasn't done squat in the past month or so. He goes so cold...so cold.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Feb 21 @ 3:19 PM ET
Again, why would Montreal trade Max Domi? Would you give up Travis Konecny or Ivan Provorov right now?

We’re talking deadline deals. Someone suggested Ghost and our first for DuClair and Pageau. It’s an interesting, realist idea that helps us in the playoffs.

- SuperSchennBros



DuClair being on team #5 at the age of 24 makes me pause about him, granted he could have grown up. Pageau is a UFA. Honestly I don't want to see them move their first rounder.
Bryz's Buyout Fund
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.20.2020

Feb 21 @ 3:21 PM ET
All this provy for domi trade speculation is pure blasphemy. Provy is our future C, he is also looking more ala Forsberg every day with that facial hair. My man crush is strong right now.

Also, DuClair hasn't done squat in the past month or so. He goes so cold...so cold.

- bmoreflyer


I think he was just comparing Provys value to the flyers to Domi's value to mtl. Yeah provy, isn't going anywhere, don't know why he was even brought up.

You're right about duclair, recently got his first goal in like 20 games.

The cost it would take to get him, isn't worth giving up. Not for him, at least.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Feb 21 @ 3:21 PM ET
Getzlaf is probably praying his name is called before 3 on Monday.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Feb 21 @ 3:24 PM ET
It's kind of crazy that we could be in the race for home ice

Edit: nevermind the caps have a cake walk schedule the rest of the way

- bulet13


Flyers have Winnipeg, San Jose, NY Rangers, Carolina, Buffalo, Boston, Minnesota, Edmonton, St. Louis, Isles, Pittsburgh and Nashville at home

NY Rangers x 2, Washington, Tampa, Dallas, Nashville, Detroit, NJ and Buffalo on the road

Surprised how many western conference teams they have left
bmoreflyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Baltimore
Joined: 07.06.2017

Feb 21 @ 3:25 PM ET
I think he was just comparing Provys value to the flyers to Domi's value to mtl. Yeah provy, isn't going anywhere, don't know why he was even brought up.

You're right about duclair, recently got his first goal in like 20 games.

The cost it would take to get him, isn't worth giving up. Not for him, at least.

- Bryz's Buyout Fund


I would say Domi and Konency are comparable. Provy is just laughable, but thanks for the clarification.

I don't want to go near DuClair, we need to shore up 3C or 4C. I won't be bummed if we stay idle at TDL, keep Ghost for depth, revisit a trade in the offseason. If he has a good playoff game or two, his value skyrockets.

Bryz's Buyout Fund
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.20.2020

Feb 21 @ 3:26 PM ET
Getzlaf is probably praying his name is called before 3 on Monday.
- wcorvette


lol why? He makes 8 mil year to play hockey and live in sunny socal year round. Like Carter, another 03 draft guy, Getz won his cup, made his money, is 34, has a 1,000 games under his belt...he's chillin lol
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Feb 21 @ 3:27 PM ET
DuClair being on team #5 at the age of 24 makes me pause about him, granted he could have grown up. Pageau is a UFA. Honestly I don't want to see them move their first rounder.
- nastyflyergirl


Yeah that gives me pause with Duclair. He passed through waivers in the past too.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Feb 21 @ 3:28 PM ET
Ilya Sorokons trade to CHI(unconfirmed). Not sure what Isles get. Funny if Lehner
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Dreger just said Chicago confirmed no trade
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Feb 21 @ 3:29 PM ET
on the bright side-

Weise is an FA next year, maybe 6x5 for him
Bryz's Buyout Fund
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.20.2020

Feb 21 @ 3:31 PM ET
I would say Domi and Konency are comparable. Provy is just laughable, but thanks for the clarification.

I don't want to go near DuClair, we need to shore up 3C or 4C. I won't be bummed if we stay idle at TDL, keep Ghost for depth, revisit a trade in the offseason. If he has a good playoff game or two, his value skyrockets.

- bmoreflyer


I think the flyers are balanced enough to not really be exposed at the 3C or 4C. Unlike boston, who is a one line wrecking crew, and needs some depth and balance there. I feel the flyers need some fire power to match up with kucherov, stamkos, crosby, geno, ovi, backstrom, pastrnak, marchand...you get the point..

A duclair doesn't do it for me, neither does a pending ufa JGP.

a thought...throw ghost on the fourth line, why not?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 21 @ 3:35 PM ET
on the bright side-

Weise is an FA next year, maybe 6x5 for him

- wcorvette


You want to give Dale Weise a 6x5 term? Are you (frank)ing nuts? When you've got a stud like Weise available, you lock him up for 7 years and just hope it's under $10M per.

I always wondered how he and AMac responded when their agents called them with the deal:

Agent: "Dale, the Flyers just made you an offer of 4 years for $2.35M per."
Weise: "Come on man, that's not funny. What was the real offer?"
Agent: "Dale, seriously, that was the offer....maybe he's drunk, I'm not sure."
Weise: "......."
Agent: "Dale are you there?"
Weise: (zipping up) "Sorry, got a bit excited. Yeah, let's do it."
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Feb 21 @ 3:36 PM ET
Don’t think it’ll take too much with his age and all. If we are just looking at a pure rental does big joe have anything left? Third line center with jvr and NAK on wings.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 21 @ 3:38 PM ET
I think the flyers are balanced enough to not really be exposed at the 3C or 4C. Unlike boston, who is a one line wrecking crew, and needs some depth and balance there. I feel the flyers need some fire power to match up with kucherov, stamkos, crosby, geno, ovi, backstrom, pastrnak, marchand...you get the point..

A duclair doesn't do it for me, neither does a pending ufa JGP.

a thought...throw ghost on the fourth line, why not?

- Bryz's Buyout Fund


Bryz's Buyout Fund
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.20.2020

Feb 21 @ 3:41 PM ET



lolol a thought, but still, paying a guy 4.5 to be your 7th. Who'd you rather have on the ice ghost or bunnaman? At least in this option Ghost gets to play 4th line min, plus PP without disrupting your D pairing.

Quenneville had 2 Dmen playing on floridas fourth line last week.

again, just a thought. lol
bmoreflyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Baltimore
Joined: 07.06.2017

Feb 21 @ 3:47 PM ET
You want to give Dale Weise a 6x5 term? Are you (frank)ing nuts? When you've got a stud like Weise available, you lock him up for 7 years and just hope it's under $10M per.

I always wondered how he and AMac responded when their agents called them with the deal:

Agent: "Dale, the Flyers just made you an offer of 4 years for $2.35M per."
Weise: "Come on man, that's not funny. What was the real offer?"
Agent: "Dale, seriously, that was the offer....maybe he's drunk, I'm not sure."
Weise: "......."
Agent: "Dale are you there?"
Weise: (zipping up) "Sorry, got a bit excited. Yeah, let's do it."

- jmatchett383




I have a feeling Andrew McDonald's call went something very similar...like this:

Agent: "Andy, this is Dale Weise's agent (lol), the Flyers just made you an offer of 6 years for $30milllion."
McDonald: "Come on man, that's not funny. What was the real offer?"
Agent: "Andy, seriously, that was the offer....maybe he's drunk, I'm not sure."
McDonald: "......."
Agent: "Andy are you there?"
McDonald: (zipping up) "Sorry, got a bit excited. Yeah, let's do it."
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Feb 21 @ 3:59 PM ET
You want to give Dale Weise a 6x5 term? Are you (frank)ing nuts? When you've got a stud like Weise available, you lock him up for 7 years and just hope it's under $10M per.

I always wondered how he and AMac responded when their agents called them with the deal:

Agent: "Dale, the Flyers just made you an offer of 4 years for $2.35M per."
Weise: "Come on man, that's not funny. What was the real offer?"
Agent: "Dale, seriously, that was the offer....maybe he's drunk, I'm not sure."
Weise: "......."
Agent: "Dale are you there?"
Weise: (zipping up) "Sorry, got a bit excited. Yeah, let's do it."

- jmatchett383


I’m offended you are making fun of my post
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Feb 21 @ 4:01 PM ET
Dreger just said Chicago confirmed no trade
- nastyflyergirl


LOL Even Lehner was upset, replied to tweet with a Pinocchio emoji
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Feb 21 @ 4:05 PM ET
I read his remark as Max Domi's value to the Habs is similar to TK or Provy. Why would we trade them away.
- cdearth23

You read it correctly. I am not responding to two insanely long post that asks a simple question.
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