For those that think that Dale and Q would do much better than Stan has done

http://www.sun-sentinel.c...fnl2dicfmr5wfi-story.html

Not this time.

The return for all of them will be minimal. Now that it's too late to move the core I hope Crawford retires as a Blackhawk. Lehner should be re-signed by the Hawks provided his contract, especially the term, is reasonable but again should they trade him there I don;t think there will be much return. And Gus won't provide much return either excpept from the "Gus sucks so he's worth a top prospect and a high draft pick" crowd. Trading them before the TDL or releasing them in the summer won't make much of a difference and certainly the sky won't fall if they aren't traded.
- paulr

I’m just a believer of maximizing the ROI. Season is over. No point holding on to anyone who isn’t in the Plans for 2020-21. UFAs especially.

What is interesting is if they trade saad to free room to sign lehner.

Resigning Crawford cheap is fine if you let 40 walk but everyone needs to realizes odds of 50 playing 60 games is minuscule. Given his run of concussions.

Few days left before a Monday late afternoon early evening board meltdown.

For those that think that Dale and Q would do much better than Stan has done

http://www.sun-sentinel.c...fnl2dicfmr5wfi-story.html
- LAHawk

Dale hasn’t been the gm since July of 2009. Who gives a poop. He’s so far disconnected from this team it needs to end.

Jc is a place holder. Nothing more and nothing less. The damage he does to the young guys development is all I care about. These kids can’t go stagnant because they are being coached by a guy with zero clue.

Regardless of the actuals, if Stan doesn't move Gus and a goalie it's a huge miss. Additionally, because the Hawks have the cap space to take a bloated contract for this year, if he doesn't net at least a first and a decent prospect, it's also a huge miss.
- Bjm84

Well the TDL closes at what time on Monday 3pm CST?

Stanley has about 77 hours to see if he can make something happen.

Dale hasn’t been the gm since July of 2009. Who gives a poop. He’s so far disconnected from this team it needs to end.

Jc is a place holder. Nothing more and nothing less. The damage he does to the young guys development is all I care about. These kids can’t go stagnant because they are being coached by a guy with zero clue.
- SteveRain

Well I think Dach and Kubalik have grown this year. Bovquist (out of necessity) is ahead of the curve. ADB, and Strome have taken a step back, or is that regression to the mean?

Dale hasn’t been the gm since July of 2009. Who gives a poop. He’s so far disconnected from this team it needs to end.

Jc is a place holder. Nothing more and nothing less. The damage he does to the young guys development is all I care about. These kids can’t go stagnant because they are being coached by a guy with zero clue.
- SteveRain

Dale has been GM for most of the past 10 years with 2 playoff appearances to show for it.

Florida GM's
9
Dale Tallon May 17, 2010 – May 16, 2016 2 division titles and 2 playoff appearances
[12][13]

10
Tom Rowe May 16, 2016 – April 10, 2017 No playoff appearances
[13][14]

—
Dale Tallon April 10, 2017 – present No playoff appearances

I know there's a call to replace Stan, and while that's not necessarily the wrong move we are started to see some GMs stick around longer than expected.

Look at Vancouver as example, the Canucks (much like the Hawks) were reluctant to acknowledge the rebuild process. The past 4 seasons have been terrible for the Canucks and the season prior they were upset in the first round by Calgary.

This season the Canucks are firmly in the playoff hunt, buyers at the deadline, and could finish first in their division. Jim Benning made some questionable trades and signings along the way too (i.e. Eriksson).

As painful as it might be, is patience the best way forward?

I’m just a believer of maximizing the ROI. Season is over. No point holding on to anyone who isn’t in the Plans for 2020-21. UFAs especially.

What is interesting is if they trade saad to free room to sign lehner.

Resigning Crawford cheap is fine if you let 40 walk but everyone needs to realizes odds of 50 playing 60 games is minuscule. Given his run of concussions.

Few days left before a Monday late afternoon early evening board meltdown.
- SteveRain

I agree about ROI my point is why are some posters going into panic mode about three guys who won't bring back much?

Regardless of the actuals, if Stan doesn't move Gus and a goalie it's a huge miss. Additionally, because the Hawks have the cap space to take a bloated contract for this year, if he doesn't net at least a first and a decent prospect, it's also a huge miss.
- Bjm84

Never let the "actuals" (reality) get in the way of a poster's narrative.

Well I think Dach and Kubalik have grown this year. Bovquist (out of necessity) is ahead of the curve. ADB, and Strome have taken a step back, or is that regression to the mean?
- LAHawk

I had Kubalik in my hockey pool when he went on his hot streak in January, then I dropped him recently when he cooled off. Now he's picking up his game again and I'm kicking myself for not keeping him.

The great Uncle Dale losing his job? No way! Dale is the smartest guy in the world didn't ya know!
- paulr

I didn't know he was that smart until I asked Kyle Beach and Dylan Olsen. Now I know.

Dale hasn’t been the gm since July of 2009. Who gives a poop. He’s so far disconnected from this team it needs to end.

Jc is a place holder. Nothing more and nothing less. The damage he does to the young guys development is all I care about. These kids can’t go stagnant because they are being coached by a guy with zero clue.
- SteveRain

Why doesn't JC have a clue? It's so hard to judge him with a transitional lineup. The young guys (Dach and Boqvist) should never been given more than a sniff of the NHL this year. Both would have benefited from playing at a level where they can work on their games and in the case of Dach having the opportunity to play in the World juniors. If their develpment is impacted I think it has far more to do with them not playing in junior or the AHL than playing for a coach who's primary job is to win, not to develop players.

I’m just a believer of maximizing the ROI. Season is over. No point holding on to anyone who isn’t in the Plans for 2020-21. UFAs especially.

What is interesting is if they trade saad to free room to sign lehner.

Resigning Crawford cheap is fine if you let 40 walk but everyone needs to realizes odds of 50 playing 60 games is minuscule. Given his run of concussions.

Few days left before a Monday late afternoon early evening board meltdown.
- SteveRain

Crow has not played 60 regular season games ever. If they get 50 to 55 good games from him that would be fine. Then you find out if Delia/Lankinen are decent and his heir apparent. If Crow gets injured or the backups are awful, it won't matter much. you tank for another low draft pick. They are probably only going to be a borderline playoff team at best again next year.

I had Kubalik in my hockey pool when he went on his hot streak in January, then I dropped him recently when he cooled off. Now he's picking up his game again and I'm kicking myself for not keeping him.
- DarthKane

Why would you keep Kubalik? In fact why would you have chosen him in the first place, he was afterall signed by Blowman.

I’m just a believer of maximizing the ROI. Season is over. No point holding on to anyone who isn’t in the Plans for 2020-21. UFAs especially.

What is interesting is if they trade saad to free room to sign lehner.

Resigning Crawford cheap is fine if you let 40 walk but everyone needs to realizes odds of 50 playing 60 games is minuscule. Given his run of concussions.

Few days left before a Monday late afternoon early evening board meltdown.
- SteveRain

If Cro wants to play next year and he is the choice for the #1 goalie, an incentive laden 35+ contract is the way to go.

Edmonton's Mike Smith signed one this year. Low base salary plus bonuses for reaching various plateaus of games played, making the playoffs etc. Details here.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/mike-smith

Yes, it's a roll of the dice if he gets concussed again. Then an inexperienced Delia/Lankinen is the backup. So does Stan sign a cheap veteran as an insurance policy?

Dale has been GM for most of the past 10 years with 2 playoff appearances to show for it.

Florida GM's
9
Dale Tallon May 17, 2010 – May 16, 2016 2 division titles and 2 playoff appearances

- LAHawk[12][13]

10
Tom Rowe May 16, 2016 – April 10, 2017 No playoff appearances
[13][14]

—
Dale Tallon April 10, 2017 – present No playoff appearances

Who cares about Florida? Not me.

I know there's a call to replace Stan, and while that's not necessarily the wrong move we are started to see some GMs stick around longer than expected.

Look at Vancouver as example, the Canucks (much like the Hawks) were reluctant to acknowledge the rebuild process. The past 4 seasons have been terrible for the Canucks and the season prior they were upset in the first round by Calgary.

This season the Canucks are firmly in the playoff hunt, buyers at the deadline, and could finish first in their division. Jim Benning made some questionable trades and signings along the way too (i.e. Eriksson).

As painful as it might be, is patience the best way forward?
- DarthKane

patience is the only way forward. this mgmt really hasn't indicated any other choices.

Its not the same comparison with Vancouver. Their best players were past their prime, then retired (Sedins). Hawks have Toews and Kane still playing at their prime rate. I think that's who I feel bad more about "preaching patience". Regardless of their salaries, they might not win a cup again, at least not in the near future

Well I think Dach and Kubalik have grown this year. Bovquist (out of necessity) is ahead of the curve. ADB, and Strome have taken a step back, or is that regression to the mean?
- LAHawk

We are in year 3 of this retooling. My thresh hold may be 5 years. So in 2021-22 these younger guys need to be major contributors to the team. That’s all I care about. Is jc the right guy? No idea. Hawks need a rick renteria type guy who can mold these younger raw players. Then you give jc a chance to reap what he sowed and if not you find a veteran coach. Much like savard to Q.

As far as Lehner/Crawford/Lundqvist to Colorado, Francouz is a UFA this year and Grubauer next year. If he would rather have Lehner long term than what he has now, I can see him making a deal and signing Lehner, then again he could just wait until FA and not have to give up any assets.

I agree about ROI my point is why are some posters going into panic mode about three guys who won't bring back much?
- paulr

I can’t answer that. Nobody knows stans asking price vs market.

My point is I just don’t see why Stan wouldn’t settle on a guy like Gus to move him. Extending him would be foolish. He’s horrific.

If they extend lehner could be hard to deal Cc. If they don’t extend lehner why not take what you can now? Rev up cc the remainder of the season and see how his body responds? If he can play 95% of the remaining games you feel better about him, CC, playing 50-60 games next year.

Just want to see some sort of plan. I can accept whatever is but the adhd style of this thing currently is hard to follow. Are they rebuilding? Are they retooling? Are they willing to sell? We should get some answers here quickly.

We are in year 3 of this retooling. My thresh hold may be 5 years. So in 2021-22 these younger guys need to be major contributors to the team. That’s all I care about. Is jc the right guy? No idea. Hawks need a rick renteria type guy who can mold these younger raw players. Then you give jc a chance to reap what he sowed and if not you find a veteran coach. Much like savard to Q.
- SteveRain

Savard didn't mold anyone that I'm aware of? The best job the hawks have done in development was Trent Yawney working with Keith from a one way offensive defenseman to a very good two way defenseman. And that development was done where it should be, in the minors.

I don’t want Lehner back, and he’d bring the more than CC at the deadline.

I wouldn’t mind CC back for 2-3 years at a reasonable cap hit.

The guy I think Stan should look at as a FA is Jacob Markstrom from VAN. He’s not going to get Holtby $, and VAN has young goalies on the way.

So, either Markstrom & CC or
Markstrom & either of the Rockford goalies

*Monday TDL passes and Hawks do nothing*

Stan:

"We really like our team and feel like that we can be Playoff team."

Why doesn't JC have a clue? It's so hard to judge him with a transitional lineup. The young guys (Dach and Boqvist) should never been given more than a sniff of the NHL this year. Both would have benefited from playing at a level where they can work on their games and in the case of Dach having the opportunity to play in the World juniors. If their develpment is impacted I think it has far more to do with them not playing in junior or the AHL than playing for a coach who's primary job is to win, not to develop players.
- paulr

I think dach and boqvist have more been better then bad overall. They have a taste. Game speed won’t be an adjustment. I expect them to be a little better at minimum next year.

As far as jc....team looks lost far too often. Slow starts. Bad home record. Unable to win big games when they needed it to stay In contention. Horrific zone coverage.

Some is on players and some is on coaching. Again there are better options but this team still isn’t ready to win. So keep jc. If problems persist next year or get worse....you move on.

Crow has not played 60 regular season games ever. If they get 50 to 55 good games from him that would be fine. Then you find out if Delia/Lankinen are decent and his heir apparent. If Crow gets injured or the backups are awful, it won't matter much. you tank for another low draft pick. They are probably only going to be a borderline playoff team at best again next year.
- -Doh-

I got 60 based on CCs quotes.

Agreed on next year. 2021-22 is when this thing has to take a big leap (playoffs).