I don’t think they projected the Cap wrong when Seabs signed. They unfortunately didnt own a crystal ball that could tell them his game would fall off a cliff a year or two after the deal started.

The money on that deal wasn’t actually horrible but it’s at least three years too long.

Panarin was a great find by the Euro scouting staff but even without the Seabs deal, I’m not sure how you’d have three guys on a team taking up 40% of the entire Cap.
- HawkintheD

Maybe should have kept him the year that he signed and then shipped him around a little more instead of getting back an old player. I think there was a little thought that panarin was only doing what he was because of Kane but that was obviously not the case

I’m off of the Lehner bus - not as far off as some, but....

At the most important time of the season - fighting for a playoff spot - he’s gone 1-3-1 with 4+2+4+4+6=20 goals against and a .889 save percentage. In 33 games, he’s given up 4+ in 9 games, and two or less in only 14 - less than half.

Bad defense? Yeah - atrocious at times. He’s seeing 35 SOG per game - a lot - but “only” a little less than 5 above the league average.

Make a save.

An average - at best - goalie who should get an average - at best - contract.
- StLBravesFan

yes sage he has had his problems of late... but he was fantastic the first 40 games...with out him this team has at least 4-5 more losses and more blow out losses.

his career stats are still top 3 in the league...he is not "an avg at best golaie"...so you want to throw him under the bus for a recent bad patch...ok...but the whole team spit the bit the last 10 games...

if they can find away i would extend him...and i wouldn't be surprised if some of his issues the last month is contract TDL related...these guys can talk all they want about being focused but that unknown may be weighing on him...

Manson vs Stevens at center ice was the best fight I’ve seen by a hawks player.

McSorely cs probert at the joe where they went around the entire rink is the greatest fight. Ever.

Ray emery destroying anyone is also a great view. Rip.
- SteveRain

I was at that Manson/Steven's game

Wasnt there a fight at the end of a period in TOR, Manson was off the ice and there was a scrum and Savard was getting worked over....Manson came running back on the ice to get involved (and then suspended)

I’m off of the Lehner bus - not as far off as some, but....

At the most important time of the season - fighting for a playoff spot - he’s gone 1-3-1 with 4+2+4+4+6=20 goals against and a .889 save percentage. In 33 games, he’s given up 4+ in 9 games, and two or less in only 14 - less than half.

Bad defense? Yeah - atrocious at times. He’s seeing 35 SOG per game - a lot - but “only” a little less than 5 above the league average.

Make a save.

An average - at best - goalie who should get an average - at best - contract.
- StLBravesFan

I wonder if contact negotiations are affecting his play? Personally to much of a gamble to sign him to a long contract, Uncle Lou knew that as well.

I’m off of the Lehner bus - not as far off as some, but....

At the most important time of the season - fighting for a playoff spot - he’s gone 1-3-1 with 4+2+4+4+6=20 goals against and a .889 save percentage. In 33 games, he’s given up 4+ in 9 games, and two or less in only 14 - less than half.

Bad defense? Yeah - atrocious at times. He’s seeing 35 SOG per game - a lot - but “only” a little less than 5 above the league average.

Make a save.

An average - at best - goalie who should get an average - at best - contract.
- StLBravesFan

I was never on the bus, but your stats define who he is when it matters most, sell for whatever you can get. Average goalie and will not take responsibility for his inferior play, always pointing fingers.

What's the over/under on Lehner sitting tomorrow?

I'll concede on your last point it's easier to look back and past judgement . However it's also easy to point out Stan took over a young talented team and more than not his decisions where shortsighted . Their was no need to trade big buff after 2010 he could have easily held onto him for the remainder of his contract and found a way to keep a guy that talented on this team.

Stan was able to tinker around the edges to add in depth pieces , but in doing so he handed put contracts knowing the teams cap problems to guys who he should have either traded or let walk.

Bickell putting aside his unknown illness at the time , Bickell was always a 4th line mediocre player , who had a lucky playoff run , knowing he had cap issues he should have let him walk , he would not have had to give a young promising star in Tevo, or Seabrook he should have let him walk and test free agency if another team made a offer so be it if not Stan would have then had leverage to resign him on better terms.

Kane and toews contracts while I don't played down their impact or contributions , Stan had a market price with Crosby and Malkin to work with instead he ponied up more money that it was expected to hurt Chicago's future .

Loyalty is great but it's still a business and being a responsible GM doesn't mean over paying guys or screwing guys but finding a sweet spot .
- Taylorst1

100% agree - add in some brutal trades

I was at that Manson/Steven's game

Wasnt there a fight at the end of a period in TOR, Manson was off the ice and there was a scrum and Savard was getting worked over....Manson came running back on the ice to get involved (and then suspended)
- PatShart

One player “Wendy” Clark wouldn’t fight was Manson. He steered clear of him.

This was the worst mistake Bowman made.

1st- Seabrook extension because Bowman projected the cap wrong
2nd- Having to trade Panarin for a cost controlled Sad because of mistake 1 and 2.



Brutal
- mrpaulish

the reductionistic thinking of doing this meant a future that i have problems with...panarin was a russian mercenary...he wanted to get paid and paid big...the hawks were not going to be able to afford him with the over kane/toews type contract...and they were not going to pay him or anybody more than those two...simply could not be done

at best they could have kept him another year and see what happens...

Did the NHL announce yet that Chicago's first goal belongs to Kane? It deflected off of the Nash defender's stick, never touching Cat's.
- powerenforcer

PE breaking down game film on a Saturday morning.

One player “Wendy” Clark wouldn’t fight was Manson. He steered clear of him.
- paulr

A buddy of mine was in camp in MTL when Manson was there. My friend (not a physical player at all) checked him, and Manson was pissed. Went after him/was yelling with his damaged voice...saying he was going to kill him. My friend admitted to being a bit scared Haha

One player “Wendy” Clark wouldn’t fight was Manson. He steered clear of him.
- paulr

Greg Smyth should have taken wendells approach. Instead he got his ass kicked in almost every time he dropped the gloves.

the reductionistic thinking of doing this meant a future that i have problems with...panarin was a russian mercenary...he wanted to get paid and paid big...the hawks were not going to be able to afford him with the over kane/toews type contract...and they were not going to pay him or anybody more than those two...simply could not be done

at best they could have kept him another year and see what happens...
- bogiedoc

Go back to LAHawk’s post. Bowman is very strategic, he made mistakes but overall he calculated his moves taking the long term strength of the of the team and factoring in the cap. Had Bowman kept Panarin the same posters would be whining that Bowman is an idiot because he constructed a top heavy team who take up up too high a percentage of the cap with no thought to having cap resources for depth. Had the Hawks kept Panarin the Hawks would be marginally or no better than they are today.

I hardly ever agree with what you write but this is put perfectly. I'm surprised that no one else has noticed that the price of winning has come due and this is it. Everyone was all for going for it at the time and who cares if the Hawks are bad in the future. Well that time is now and people are tantruming about it.
- GPHawksfan

Well I have not always agreed with you at times and we've had our differences. But this is Spot On and you are just speaking the truth which some here have a hard time understanding. I guess common sense isn't so common.
Well said!

I was at that Manson/Steven's game

Wasnt there a fight at the end of a period in TOR, Manson was off the ice and there was a scrum and Savard was getting worked over....Manson came running back on the ice to get involved (and then suspended)
- PatShart

Believe you’re right.

400 PIM in. A year. Stu Grimson now if a guy sniffs 200 in a year he’s a goon.

I was at that Manson/Steven's game

Wasnt there a fight at the end of a period in TOR, Manson was off the ice and there was a scrum and Savard was getting worked over....Manson came running back on the ice to get involved (and then suspended)
- PatShart

Here you go. Manson gets loose about the 3:20 mark.

https://youtu.be/yEB8ysTJajg

Who’s got the Paul Rudd gif?

This board this am.....look at us? Who ever thought we’d all have peace. Lol.

yes sage he has had his problems of late... but he was fantastic the first 40 games...with out him this team has at least 4-5 more losses and more blow out losses.

his career stats are still top 3 in the league...he is not "an avg at best golaie"...so you want to throw him under the bus for a recent bad patch...ok...but the whole team spit the bit the last 10 games...

if they can find away i would extend him...and i wouldn't be surprised if some of his issues the last month is contract TDL related...these guys can talk all they want about being focused but that unknown may be weighing on him...
- bogiedoc

One outstanding post, here!

Greg Smyth should have taken wendells approach. Instead he got his ass kicked in almost every time he dropped the gloves.
- SteveRain

He and Jack O'Callahan. Jack tried to stand up for his teammates when he could but in all honesty, he really should have had his gloves sewn to his sweater.

Who’s got the Paul Rudd gif?

This board this am.....look at us? Who ever thought we’d all have peace. Lol.
- SteveRain

Lol.... very true

A buddy of mine was in camp in MTL when Manson was there. My friend (not a physical player at all) checked him, and Manson was pissed. Went after him/was yelling with his damaged voice...saying he was going to kill him. My friend admitted to being a bit scared Haha
- PatShart

I was at Maple LeAf Gardens in 1987. A buddy of mine was very good friends with Steve Thomas so we got into the gardens a couple hours prior to the game. Thomas was sitting with us and down by the ice was a skinny guy with huge pipes in sweats and a tshirt. My friend asked Thomas who’s that guy. Thomas said “oh that’s Charlie, his name is Dave Manson and he’s the craziest mother (frank)er I’ve ever seen in my life”. He wasn’t wrong.

Keep CC. 2 years at $3M per. Trade Lehner.
Look at Jacob Markstrom as a FA.
- scottak

I agree with you. Especially since this team will not make the playoffs anytime soon until they add 2 top 6 forwards that can handle the puck.

With all the dmen in the pipeline, somebody better develop into top 4 or this management staff has failed miserably. (Boqvist and Mitchell)

Time to continue to draft/trade for high end centers and wings. Hopefully trading Lehner or CC will address that but I certainly question what the heck they're doing.

Oh by the way..... playoff monies ALONG with next season's invoices are due any day now. I hear lots of season reservation holders may be opting OUT.

It's up to Bowman and Management to show their plan for moving forward. 2 days left to "Show Me"..... that's should be the new mantra....forget this " One Goal". Time for change gentlemen.

Go back to LAHawk’s post. Bowman is very strategic, he made mistakes but overall he calculated his moves taking the long term strength of the of the team and factoring in the cap. Had Bowman kept Panarin the same posters would be whining that Bowman is an idiot because he constructed a top heavy team who take up up too high a percentage of the cap with no thought to having cap resources for depth. Had the Hawks kept Panarin the Hawks would be marginally or no better than they are today.
- paulr

We can all play “what if”. Point is they won 3 cups made the conference finals 2 other times. I’m 100% ok with how everything went down. Turbulent at times? Sure.

Each guy was perfectly inserted into a role that best maximized his potential. I 100% believe it and hockey operations did a wonderful job restocking guys.

Campbell became leddy
Madden to bolland to Kruger
Brouwer to Bickell
Niemi to Crawford

And on it goes. Bowman arguably never overpaid anyone and sold high when their cap hit aav hurt their short term ability to win and had a ready replacement.

Now he’s facing same scenario only a much broader scale where he has Father Time breathing down his back before 2/7/19/50/88 are done and the race to get younger guys nhl ready and being key contributors.

100% agree - add in some brutal trades
- Colbyboy

Bickell was much better than 4th line, Buff wanted to play defense, Q wanted him getting beaten up in front of the net playing wing, he was getting fatter every day, Toews and Kane I wasn't thrilled with the amount but their agent had Stan over a barrel.

Who’s got the Paul Rudd gif?

This board this am.....look at us? Who ever thought we’d all have peace. Lol.
- SteveRain