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manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Feb 21 @ 10:57 AM ET
Just think who the guys are that will be losing their job to young guys coming up in the newsletter 2-3 tears and ask yourself how many 1st and 2nd round picks Benning can recover...
- 1970vintage

If you draft well, that's probably how it should be. Whether Jim bo does recover those picks or use those prospects in trades
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Feb 21 @ 10:57 AM ET
He's at 4.5 right now, I don't see him taking a pay cut. Would love for Benning to resign him at 4.5, but not sure that happens unless he really wants to play here.
- NewYorkNuck

If you sign him to a $5.5 million contract per year over five years you’re going to be in the same situation you’re currently in, in about three years, dead cap space. This is something the team has to get away from. Just accept the price you paid for him as a rental and hope you make the playoffs.

If he’s ok with a short term deal, great, sign him.
NuckUp
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cap Busters
Joined: 07.01.2019

Feb 21 @ 10:57 AM ET
There are very few actual consistent players under the age of 26 in the league and that's why they get paid 10 million a season.

Jake will be 24 entering his new contract. I wouldn't be trading him when he's probably about to peak in the next couple years, If anything sign him to a mid range deal, you get twice as much having him signed. Example Coleman.

- manvanfan


Exactly his value will still go up. Make a decision when Pods makes the team.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Feb 21 @ 10:59 AM ET
Miller’s having his best year but he’s been a pretty consistent producer since his first full year in the league at 22 years old.

22 yrs - 22 goals 43 points
23 yrs - 22 goals 56 points
24 yrs - 23 goals 58 points
25 yrs - 13 goals 47 points
26 yrs - 24 goals 59 points (20 games left)

- LeftCoaster


Jake has also been consistent, though at a lower level...

21 yrs - 10 goals 20 points
22 yrs - 15 goals 25 points
23 yrs - 16 goals 32 points (20 games left)
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Feb 21 @ 11:01 AM ET
If you sign him to a $5.5 million contract per year over five years you’re going to be in the same situation you’re currently in, in about three years, dead cap space. This is something the team has to get away from. Just accept the price you paid for him as a rental and hope you make the playoffs.

If he’s ok with a short term deal, great, sign him.

- LeftCoaster


It won’t matter, he can just retire and your problem goes away. Give him 6 years to be safe
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Feb 21 @ 11:05 AM ET
Wow.
- bloatedmosquito


I agree with him.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Feb 21 @ 11:06 AM ET
If you sign him to a $5.5 million contract per year over five years you’re going to be in the same situation you’re currently in, in about three years, dead cap space. This is something the team has to get away from. Just accept the price you paid for him as a rental and hope you make the playoffs.

If he’s ok with a short term deal, great, sign him.

- LeftCoaster

Loui was coming off a 63 point season then. Teams would be giving you a first and a second for a 60 point player with a couple years left at 5.5 in 3 years.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Feb 21 @ 11:06 AM ET
It won’t matter, he can just retire and your problem goes away. Give him 6 years to be safe
- 1970vintage

I see what you did there
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Feb 21 @ 11:08 AM ET
It won’t matter, he can just retire and your problem goes away. Give him 6 years to be safe
- 1970vintage


LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Feb 21 @ 11:08 AM ET
Loui was coming off a 63 point season then. Teams would be giving you a first and a second for a 60 point player with a couple years left at 5.5 in 3 years.
- manvanfan

The risk is that he doesn’t produce, like Loui Eriksson, as good as you’d hoped and then he’s essentially worthless and you have the dead cap space. But you’re right, if he produces at a good clip then you’ll have value.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Feb 21 @ 11:10 AM ET
What sucks about not having a 1st and 2nd this year is I won't be able to make my inaccurate draft picks this summer. 😡🤣
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Feb 21 @ 11:13 AM ET
What sucks about not having a 1st and 2nd this year is I won't be able to make my inaccurate draft picks this summer. 😡🤣
- VanHockeyGuy

Stecher for a 2nd
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Feb 21 @ 11:14 AM ET
Stecher for a 2nd
- NorthNuck


I wish
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Feb 21 @ 11:14 AM ET
If you draft well, that's probably how it should be. Whether Jim bo does recover those picks or use those prospects in trades
- manvanfan

Since you're a prospect guy, I'm curious, have you been to any Winnipeg Ice games this year? They should have a pretty exciting team next year with Lambos and Savoie, maybe Krebs
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Feb 21 @ 11:15 AM ET
The risk is that he doesn’t produce, like Loui Eriksson, as good as you’d hoped and then he’s essentially worthless and you have the dead cap space. But you’re right, if he produces at a good clip then you’ll have value.
- LeftCoaster

After 30 most players tend to decline. You hope for the best but it's unpredictable. Look at Eric Staal, was 30 took some shorter, lower contracts and is still producing quite well at age 35.

Once players get passed 30 you have to be looking at the cream of the crop to continue producing.

Toffoli surely isn't the cream of the crop. He probably has 3 good years left of producing at a decent top 6 pace. Someone is going to pay him for those years.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Feb 21 @ 11:18 AM ET
After 30 most players tend to decline. You hope for the best but it's unpredictable. Look at Eric Staal, was 30 took some shorter, lower contracts and is still producing quite well at age 35.

Once players get passed 30 you have to be looking at the cream of the crop to continue producing.

Toffoli surely isn't the cream of the crop. He probably has 3 good years left of producing at a decent top 6 pace. Someone is going to pay him for those years.

- manvanfan

Eric Staal is the exception to the rule, not the norm; personally it’s not a chance I’d take, but I’m an engineer not an N.H.L. GM.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Feb 21 @ 11:21 AM ET
Since you're a prospect guy, I'm curious, have you been to any Winnipeg Ice games this year? They should have a pretty exciting team next year with Lambos and Savoie, maybe Krebs
- NorthNuck

I saw them play against the Wheat Kings once this year. Other than that no. I don't live in Winnipeg. It is about an hour drive for me to get from where I live to where the Ice play. Since I have a 1 year old and my wife works just about every single Friday, Saturday evening. I don't get to see games anymore.

I've seen Brandon play a few times though. They generally are playing against a really horrible team that has no draft eligible players.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Feb 21 @ 11:22 AM ET
If the Oilers make the playoffs Leon Draisaitl is gonna win the Hart Trophy over McDavid, just realized he has 95 points already, ten game winning goals.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Feb 21 @ 11:25 AM ET
I saw them play against the Wheat Kings once this year. Other than that no. I don't live in Winnipeg. It is about an hour drive for me to get from where I live to where the Ice play. Since I have a 1 year old and my wife works just about every single Friday, Saturday evening. I don't get to see games anymore.

I've seen Brandon play a few times though. They generally are playing against a really horrible team that has no draft eligible players.

- manvanfan

Ah that sucks, I wish I lived somewhere I could watch guys like Savoie play juniors, definitely should have gone to more Royals games when I lived in Victoria.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Feb 21 @ 11:27 AM ET
Wow.
- bloatedmosquito

manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Feb 21 @ 11:29 AM ET
Eric Staal is the exception to the rule, not the norm; personally it’s not a chance I’d take, but I’m an engineer not an N.H.L. GM.
- LeftCoaster

He's the exception because as I said he's the "cream of the crop" of NHL talent over the years.
Parise is 35 and still putting up good numbers.

Speeza, Steen, Koivu all sputtering. Perry, Carter, Eriksson.

Staal, Getzlaf, Bergeron, Ovechkin all still doing well.

Malkin is 33 and well over a ppg. Wheeler almost a ppg at 33

Giroux is 32 now but you are seeing a bit of a decline in his production at least.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Feb 21 @ 11:32 AM ET
Ah that sucks, I wish I lived somewhere I could watch guys like Savoie play juniors, definitely should have gone to more Royals games when I lived in Victoria.
- NorthNuck

I said the same thing when I left Brandon was that I should have went to more junior games. I saw a 1/4 of the season usually but probably could have seen a few more.

I'd really like to go to more games but that's probably years from now. Game starts at 7 pm. Second period is over at 830 ish and with an hour drive home. Baby will be grumpy as heck.

Can't forget about the 2 dance classes on friday nights for the 9 year old. I doubt they will stop for her anytime soon.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Feb 21 @ 11:45 AM ET
After failing to report to the Rochester Americans earlier this month, Zach Bogosian was suspended without pay by the Buffalo Sabres. That took him off the books in regards to the team’s cap, but still didn’t solve anything for the player. According to Darren Dreger of TSN, Bogosian will now be placed on unconditional waivers for the purpose of a contract termination. While that will void the remaining money on his current contract, it does make Bogosian an unrestricted free agent and able to sign with another team

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Pretty simple to get rid of LE's contract for next season. Other teams are doing it
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Feb 21 @ 11:55 AM ET
After failing to report to the Rochester Americans earlier this month, Zach Bogosian was suspended without pay by the Buffalo Sabres. That took him off the books in regards to the team’s cap, but still didn’t solve anything for the player. According to Darren Dreger of TSN, Bogosian will now be placed on unconditional waivers for the purpose of a contract termination. While that will void the remaining money on his current contract, it does make Bogosian an unrestricted free agent and able to sign with another team

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Pretty simple to get rid of LE's contract for next season. Other teams are doing it

- manvanfan

Loui is done. Solves so many problems! Barrie and Toffoli will be signing here and everyone will mock Vintsy all season
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Feb 21 @ 11:58 AM ET
They won the Cup in 1975 and drafted 1st overall, you just don’t see poop like that anymore. They went to the finals in 74, 75, 76, 80, 85, 87, 97, 2010, but when Holmgren gave up the GM’s chair he was the last of the oldschool guys. They understood, so we thought, you have to build through the draft, UFA and blockbuster trades aren’t a viable way to build in today’s N.H.L.

It was always reloading for them.

- LeftCoaster

Worked for Pitsburgh, LAK, St.Louis
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