Which is weird because the talk here is Cozens to do the same next year.

BAD IDEA
- ImThatGuy

Cozens is also a better prospect than Mittelstadt was. All the same probably don't want to put too much pressure on him, but I think he'll handle it better.

Let me be clear, Botterill is in over his head. I'm not defending him but people saying he's needs to be fired because he hasn't moved a d man yet is comical.
- SABRES 89

I know what you meant 89, just pulling your strings a little bit. I think teams will be calling on are Dman to, I think he will get something, whether it's at the deadline or in the offseason.

SO in short he built a poopty roster.
- ImThatGuy

No, Pegula told Murray to " speed this up " that's what started this mess then you hire a guy who learned from Rutherford but isn't going about it that way. The ROR deal was a complete mess, all the pieces we got suck, all of them. Thinking Mitts was his savior at 2nd line center was all wrong and also, anyone thinking that Frolic is the answer is sadly mistaken.

Cozens is also a better prospect than Mittelstadt was. All the same probably don't want to put too much pressure on him, but I think he'll handle it better.
- Michael Ghofrani

Several Scouts came on WGR a year or so back stating that Mitts may be one of the best prospects in hockey. I distinctly remember it.

One of the guys had mitts at the top of the class.

They are about on Par. Either way, No. get someone who is experienced. give up the 2021 first.

Im tired of, we have to rebuild.

I know what you meant 89, just pulling your strings a little bit. I think teams will be calling on are Dman to, I think he will get something, whether it's at the deadline or in the offseason.
- Buff36

Well I said before he talked to Tampa regarding Cirelli, let's see where that goes. I'm sure nowhere.

I guess I'm wrong then. Are his analytics bad this year?
- mhp

Probably his worst season.

SO in short he built a poopty roster.
- ImThatGuy

Yes in Hindsight, but he brought in players that just disappeared here for some reason. It's not like Vesey or Sheary had bad seasons before they got here. Mojo is a good hockey player, Mitts really screwed a lot of stuff up, and not having a answer to that was a huge mistake. Joker has been good, Miller playing better, Montour is blah if he can get something decent he can go.

Let me be clear, Botterill is in over his head. I'm not defending him but people saying he's needs to be fired because he hasn't moved a d man yet is comical.
- SABRES 89

Thanks for providing some reason.

Do you feel he should be fired for all the other stuff he's whiffed on? Or do you think he should be retained for another season?

You dont trade a 3rd for Vesey or sign Mojo if your plan is to suck. He just miscalculated his roster. There is no secret tank plan
- jcragcrumple

You trade a 3rd for vesey to let asplund or other forwards develop?
When they earn a look, move vesey at the deadline or keep them in Rochester.

If johannsson doesnt get moved, I agree with you on marcus

Lol, i really wish they'd give Skinner and Larsson a longer look. They compliment each other so well
- Michael Ghofrani

I’m glad they haven’t though. Time to move the UFA’s and complete the dive for Rossi/Lundell. If we get one of those guys I’ll poop my pants and buy season tickets.

Several Scouts came on WGR a year or so back stating that Mitts may be one of the best prospects in hockey. I distinctly remember it.

One of the guys had mitts at the top of the class.

They are about on Par. Either way, No. get someone who is experienced. give up the 2021 first.

Im tired of, we have to rebuild.
- ImThatGuy

I wouldn't appeal to their authority, scouting in the NHL is probably one of the biggest inefficiencies.

A canucks fan went on a rant about this (a calculated one albeit) and something like a year later the Panthers hired him.

He did move Swedish Gretzky Jr for Joker.

But agreed in that more moves like that should’ve been made.
- dadeadhead

Amen. Joker was steal. Nylander showing no more signs figuring it out in Chicago than he did here. Classic case of moving on, and that is what we need to do with almost everyone oaths roster for more than two years. Go through the list, and tell me something good about any of them. Only remote chance to find anything is Reinhardt. Get rid of him. Can't drive offense on his own without Jack, and going to want real money. Part of the cancer that needs to go. Will be Matt Moulson in two years with he direction the game is going (pace) and his inability to back anyone off. Smart, slick passer once possession established, but not the kind of guy that is going to hunt people down to retrieve the puck. That is established. Get value for him and let someone else pay him. Everyone else is complete no-brainer to get rid of without a thought. Garage sale.

Yes in Hindsight, but he brought in players that just disappeared here for some reason. It's not like Vesey or Sheary had bad seasons before they got here. Mojo is a good hockey player, Mitts really screwed a lot of stuff up, and not having a answer to that was a huge mistake. Joker has been good, Miller playing better, Montour is blah if he can get something decent he can go.
- Buff36

I take umbrage with Mitts screwed a lot of stuff up.

I think trading ROR and not getting a second line center to replace him was the screw up. Yes, Berglund retired. But it's his job to find a 2C. He hasn't done it yet.

Well I said before he talked to Tampa regarding Cirelli, let's see where that goes. I'm sure nowhere.
- SABRES 89

Is Cirelli a 2C or a 3C, in your opinion

I think the miscalculation on Johansson kinda slides under the radar but it was quite the misfire.

I still think he'd make a good 3rd line winger with actual offensive upside, but they paid him to be a stop gap 2C and idk that you want to go into the off season planning to have the worlds most expensive bottom six.
- Michael Ghofrani

Imagine if we just didn’t resign Skinner, Mojo could of been the 2LW and we could have spent the $9M on goaltending and a 2C.

I take umbrage with Mitts screwed a lot of stuff up.

I think trading ROR and not getting a second line center to replace him was the screw up. Yes, Berglund retired. But it's his job to find a 2C. He hasn't done it yet.
- gcomella34

Do you think if Pegula pays the bonus, Thomas is involved and not Tage.

Is Cirelli a 2C or a 3C, in your opinion
- Buff36

I see no reason tampa give up on him.

What i would do is raid Tampas Scouting and pro player development staffs.

Get a guy from each, they seem to hit on every damn draft pick.

I see no reason tampa give up on him.

What i would do is raid Tampas Scouting and pro player development staffs.

Get a guy from each, they seem to hit on every damn draft pick.
- ImThatGuy

Very good in the middle rounds, that's a good idea

Cozens is also a better prospect than Mittelstadt was. All the same probably don't want to put too much pressure on him, but I think he'll handle it better.
- Michael Ghofrani

That's not true at all

I take umbrage with Mitts screwed a lot of stuff up.

I think trading ROR and not getting a second line center to replace him was the screw up. Yes, Berglund retired. But it's his job to find a 2C. He hasn't done it yet.
- gcomella34

Still waiting for that trade

Is Cirelli a 2C or a 3C, in your opinion
- Buff36

Hes a future number 1 center and going to win many Selke's

That's not true at all
- gerbe75pts

Cozens' results in the WHL far outpace anything Mittelstadt did in the USHL. His NHLe is much higher too. It's not a reflection of their ceiling, but the overall results in that time frame

You trade a 3rd for vesey to let asplund or other forwards develop?
When they earn a look, move vesey at the deadline or keep them in Rochester.

If johannsson doesnt get moved, I agree with you on marcus
- Boss34

Vesey hasn't scored until recently, but has played solid game all year. To me best measure is what does a guy do when he isn't scoring? Lots of "scorers" are invisible when not scoring (see Skinner). Not good. Vesey is solid defensively, hustles every night. Starting to find his touch a bit. Not going to get paid anywhere next year. Need guys that can produce on low level deals to be successful. History says he is worth 15-20 every year. This year notwithstanding, might be good value 3rd, 4th line guy on low money. (Today's 4th line, not 10-15 year ago 4th line like we currently have. Come at you with pace and be a threat to score, not muck in the corners for 30 seconds and hope nothing bad happens while they are out there. Think successful teams, Tampa, etc.)

Well I said before he talked to Tampa regarding Cirelli, let's see where that goes. I'm sure nowhere.
- SABRES 89

Trade them Cozens and Sam please!!!!