The Ducks perhaps valued the first rounder. Boston could always lose in the first round and that pick would be much higher than Buffalo’s second rounder.
- Pegullaville

Perhaps, sure, but Johansson is actually a decent player, unlike the myth of Backes, and Borgen is a nearly ready NHL D prospect.

Astros players and families receiving death threats through social media.



This is going to be a crazy year for them.

Perhaps, sure, but Johansson is actually a decent player, unlike the myth of Backes, and Borgen is a nearly ready NHL D prospect.
- kingcong39

Anaheim is rebuilding. I don’t think the difference between Mojo or Backes really means much of anything to them. They wanted the first rounder and prospect.

Anaheim is rebuilding. I don’t think the difference between Mojo or Backes really means much of anything to them. They wanted the first rounder and prospect.
- Pegullaville

Backes does as should Kesler and Perry. Hard to rebuild with those on your payroll.

Astros players and families receiving death threats through social media.



This is going to be a crazy year for them.
- SABRES 89

They should give up the Trophy make things right

Backes does as should Kesler and Perry. Hard to rebuild with those on your payroll.
- SABRES 89

Anaheim won’t be spending to the cap. They are basically waiving the white flag for this year and next.

Lotta folks can't inject the objectivity and just take the gerbe road.

It's not hard to make trades, but the assets Buffalo has, and what Buffalo wants to do, and the position Buffalo is in, in the standings, there's really.. not a lot to work with other than obtaining picks. I'm sure Botts will hustle off a player or two for picks, but what does a win now, or (frank)ing soon, team need with a pair of 4th round picks.

You're sure as poop not going to use our 1st for Ondrej (frank)ing Kase.. If he's going to use it, you need a great player that fits within the cap. That's an extremely tough scenario at the TDL.

I'm not defending him, I'm not speaking for him, and he's not my BFF. I'm simply looking at all of the facts and organizing them into rational, objective thoughts.

It is clear Botts wants players, not picks.
- TheSabresTaco

Who says they would have had to use their 1st, which as you pointed out, has infinitely more value than the Bruins 1st.

If they offered a better D prospect and a 2nd, without the cap dump, why would that have been so far off?

What it looks like is Kase is not a player Botterill wanted.

I disagree on that as I believe Kase is a player primed to break out in terms of production, assuming he remains healthy.

It felt like a buy low move for a potential quality player that was being undervalued by his current team.

By definition, isn't that the kind of move Botterill needs to make?

good (frank)in question.

Saw Pommer at Wegs the other day. So I know he's still in Clarence.
- TheSabresTaco

Kids are still enrolled in the sames school, signed up for the same activities next year.... hes not moving

Astros players and families receiving death threats through social media.



This is going to be a crazy year for them.
- SABRES 89

the hitters will get beamed over 350 times this year

and they deserve every one of them

Anaheim is rebuilding. I don’t think the difference between Mojo or Backes really means much of anything to them. They wanted the first rounder and prospect.
- Pegullaville

If you up the prospect, they may not have mandated the 1st round pick. We don't know they said they have to have that from any team, or just in the deal with the Bruins.

Bottom line for me: Kase was undervalued by the Ducks and the type of player Botterill should have gone for, as aside from waiting for the perfect fit, those are the moves he needs to make to get the team to improve.

They should give up the torohy make things right
- gerbe75pts

Did you go to school with this guy?

The Ducks perhaps valued the first rounder. Boston could always lose in the first round and that pick would be much higher than Buffalo’s second rounder.
- Pegullaville

The B's 1st will be much better than the Sabres' 2nd regardless but, there are some strange rules about draft order, division winners, and first round playoff knockouts. If I have this right: If the Bruins win the division and lose in the first round, their pick ends up somewhere between 24-27.

Who says they would have had to use their 1st, which as you pointed out, has infinitely more value than the Bruins 1st.

If they offered a better D prospect and a 2nd, without the cap dump, why would that have been so far off?

What it looks like is Kase is not a player Botterill wanted.

I disagree on that as I believe Kase is a player primed to break out in terms of production, assuming he remains healthy.

It felt like a buy low move for a potential quality player that was being undervalued by his current team.

By definition, isn't that the kind of move Botterill needs to make?
- kingcong39

Why are we assuming it would have taken the 1st round pick from Buffalo?

The Buffalo equivalent may have been Johansson, Borgen, and maybe a 2nd, or even a 3rd.
- kingcong39

I'm not. Just following up on the BUT wHy NoT oKpOsO?!?!

Did you go to school with this guy?
- homiedclown

....

Did you go to school with this guy?
- homiedclown

Ahhhhhhh !! PUT IT AWAY !!! PUT IT AWAY !!!!!!

I'm not. Just following up on the BUT wHy NoT oKpOsO?!?!
- TheSabresTaco

Meh Kyle should be tossed in the ahl

Who says they would have had to use their 1st, which as you pointed out, has infinitely more value than the Bruins 1st.

If they offered a better D prospect and a 2nd, without the cap dump, why would that have been so far off?

What it looks like is Kase is not a player Botterill wanted.

I disagree on that as I believe Kase is a player primed to break out in terms of production, assuming he remains healthy.

It felt like a buy low move for a potential quality player that was being undervalued by his current team.

By definition, isn't that the kind of move Botterill needs to make?
- kingcong39

I think Kase would have been a fine target. I also don't think he moves the needle.

Meh Kyle should be tossed in the ahl
- gerbe75pts

based on what

I'm kinda starting to feel a little sorry for JB. Watching those clips from Ottawa made me a little sad. I was convinced he didn't give a crap how the team played this year. I honestly don't think he knew he was on camera and he looked upset.

Now I'm sure he doesn't listen to fans, or really care what they think or say. But this deadline is coming, and as previously stated by other posters, he has little to no ammunition with which to improve the team right now. There's going to be a flurry of activity and all he'll be able to do is one or two of the most minor of moves, at best.

Hopefully, the offseason is a different story.

The B's 1st will be much better than the Sabres' 2nd regardless but, there are some strange rules about draft order, division winners, and first round playoff knockouts. If I have this right: If the Bruins win the division and lose in the first round, their pick ends up somewhere between 24-27.
- PrinceChill

Impossible to predict where it falls. Based on the stength of their team, you expect them to advance through the playoffs.

So, likely, it's a 25-31 pick. The kind of pick that's, and I'm sorry, essentially as valuable (realistically) as an early to mid 2nd.

I'm kinda starting to feel a little sorry for JB. Watching those clips from Ottawa made me a little sad. I was convinced he didn't give a crap how the team played this year. I honestly don't think he knew he was on camera and he looked upset.

Now I'm sure he doesn't listen to fans, or really care what they think or say. But this deadline is coming, and as previously stated by other posters, he has little to no ammunition with which to improve the team right now. There's going to be a flurry of activity and all he'll be able to do is one or two of the most minor of moves, at best.

Hopefully, the offseason is a different story.
- PrinceChill

Why arent teams clamoring for my coveted premium defense??????

based on what
- TheSabresTaco

What's the worst that could happen ? Him not showing up and us removing his contract...

I'm kinda starting to feel a little sorry for JB. Watching those clips from Ottawa made me a little sad. I was convinced he didn't give a crap how the team played this year. I honestly don't think he knew he was on camera and he looked upset.

Now I'm sure he doesn't listen to fans, or really care what they think or say. But this deadline is coming, and as previously stated by other posters, he has little to no ammunition with which to improve the team right now. There's going to be a flurry of activity and all he'll be able to do is one or two of the most minor of moves, at best.

Hopefully, the offseason is a different story.
- PrinceChill

Why feel sorry for a guy that has done nothing to improve the center position for 2 years it's on him

If you up the prospect, they may not have mandated the 1st round pick. We don't know they said they have to have that from any team, or just in the deal with the Bruins.

Bottom line for me: Kase was undervalued by the Ducks and the type of player Botterill should have gone for, as aside from waiting for the perfect fit, those are the moves he needs to make to get the team to improve.
- kingcong39

We gave up a late 1st and arguably a better D prospect last year for Montour without the cap dump.
Don't know that Kase is a better player than Montour to garner the same return plus the cap dump.

Would this be the same value that Tuch would cost? Not injured as much as Kase, but signed longer.