We aren't.

And we didn't.

Thank God.
- Powerslave

Lotta folks can't inject the objectivity and just take the gerbe road.

It's not hard to make trades, but the assets Buffalo has, and what Buffalo wants to do, and the position Buffalo is in, in the standings, there's really.. not a lot to work with other than obtaining picks. I'm sure Botts will hustle off a player or two for picks, but what does a win now, or (frank)ing soon, team need with a pair of 4th round picks.

You're sure as poop not going to use our 1st for Ondrej (frank)ing Kase.. If he's going to use it, you need a great player that fits within the cap. That's an extremely tough scenario at the TDL.

I'm not defending him, I'm not speaking for him, and he's not my BFF. I'm simply looking at all of the facts and organizing them into rational, objective thoughts.

It is clear Botts wants players, not picks.

Lotta folks can't inject the objectivity and just take the gerbe road.

It's not hard to make trades, but the assets Buffalo has, and what Buffalo wants to do, and the position Buffalo is in, in the standings, there's really.. not a lot to work with other than obtaining picks. I'm sure Botts will hustle off a player or two for picks, but what does a win now, or (frank)ing soon, team need with a pair of 4th round picks.

You're sure as poop not going to use our 1st for Ondrej (frank)ing Kase.. If he's going to use it, you need a great player that fits within the cap. That's an extremely tough scenario at the TDL.

I'm not defending him, I'm not speaking for him, and he's not my BFF. I'm simply looking at all of the facts and organizing them into rational, objective thoughts.

It is clear Botts wants players, not picks.
- TheSabresTaco

THIS!!!

So much this

Lotta folks can't inject the objectivity and just take the gerbe road.

It's not hard to make trades, but the assets Buffalo has, and what Buffalo wants to do, and the position Buffalo is in, in the standings, there's really.. not a lot to work with other than obtaining picks. I'm sure Botts will hustle off a player or two for picks, but what does a win now, or (frank)ing soon, team need with a pair of 4th round picks.

You're sure as poop not going to use our 1st for Ondrej (frank)ing Kase.. If he's going to use it, you need a great player that fits within the cap. That's an extremely tough scenario at the TDL.

I'm not defending him, I'm not speaking for him, and he's not my BFF. I'm simply looking at all of the facts and organizing them into rational, objective thoughts.

It is clear Botts wants players, not picks.
- TheSabresTaco

Good post

He's trying to get fired "cuz he sucks".

Wow.
- Powerslave

Hey PS, can you roll over and tap Botts on the shoulder? Tell em its time to get up. Thanks!!!

Lotta folks can't inject the objectivity and just take the gerbe road.

It's not hard to make trades, but the assets Buffalo has, and what Buffalo wants to do, and the position Buffalo is in, in the standings, there's really.. not a lot to work with other than obtaining picks. I'm sure Botts will hustle off a player or two for picks, but what does a win now, or (frank)ing soon, team need with a pair of 4th round picks.

You're sure as poop not going to use our 1st for Ondrej (frank)ing Kase.. If he's going to use it, you need a great player that fits within the cap. That's an extremely tough scenario at the TDL.

I'm not defending him, I'm not speaking for him, and he's not my BFF. I'm simply looking at all of the facts and organizing them into rational, objective thoughts.

It is clear Botts wants players, not picks.
- TheSabresTaco

all of this is probably correct. so the issue is that in his 3rd year our GM has put us in a position where all we can do is rebuild for the future.

lols

Kase is hurt all the time, Backes has nothing but this year and next left on his deal. Why people think we could trade Okposo and a pick for Kase is beyond me plus a pick, and people would flip out of Botterill did that. Better players out there then Kase, the Bruins are stacked without Kase, the Sabres aren't he wouldn't make a difference here.

If Backes ever plays again.

Kase is hurt all the time, Backes has nothing but this year left on his deal. Why people think we could trade Okposo and a pick for Kase is beyond me plus a pick, and people would flip out of Botterill did that. Better players out there then Kase, the Bruins are stacked without Kase, the Sabres aren't he wouldn't make a difference here.
- SABRES 89

I honestly thought that backes and Okposo were on the same deals. I was wrong

Hey PS, can you roll over and tap Botts on the shoulder? Tell em its time to get up. Thanks!!!
- Hatboro_Swords

How much did Murray rack up by noon at the bar today, and do you have enough internet bucks to pay for your date?

I honestly thought that backes and Okposo were on the same deals. I was wrong
- Sabretooth9

Okposo has more hockey left in him then Backes does

all of this is probably correct. so the issue is that in his 3rd year our GM has put us in a position where all we can do is rebuild for the future.

lols
- robz228

I'm not saying he did a good job. All I'm saying is, for this very particular discussion, we need to look at exactly what's in front of us in the here and now.

My opinion of him is that he's made some good trades and some bad trades, his drafting is fine so far (too early to tell) and his worst ability, or lack there of, up to this point, is constructing a proper roster. Your hockey department needs to know every single player like the backs of their hands. And this summer has shown me that they don't. Don't need to provide examples, all one needs to do is look at, who's at 2C. The issues go beyond that position.

Thank God we didn't give up our first rounder for a fringe top 6/definite bottom 6 player.
- Powerslave

👍

But, they would have taken a 2nd and okposo. Literally!

The Anaheim Ducks have received David Backes, Axel Andersson, and a 2020 first-round pick from the Boston Bruins in exchange for Ondrej Kase.
Boston is retaining 25% of Backes' salary, but the Ducks are still ending up taking a considerable cap hit in this exchange. Kase came with a $2.6 million annual cap hit for the next two seasons while Backes is at $4.5 million annually even after the retained salary. Plus Kase actually has value while Backes' use at the NHL level might be done. He had just a goal and three points in 16 games with Boston before they put him on waivers on Jan. 17th. They sent him to AHL Providence, but he didn't report so he hasn't played in over a month. Anaheim presents him with a fresh start, but that might not help.


Horrible deal for the Ducks

Okposo has more hockey left in him then Backes does
- SABRES 89

By a large margin. Kyle is vastly overpaid in relation to his role on the team. But he still can be an effective player. I've accepted that the Sabres are stuck with him for the foreseeable future. His contract is annoying but with a cap limit well north of 80M, far from an insurmountable hurtle.

Yup. Whoever signs him for the league minimum will regret that decision the first time he steps on the ice. While he was bad the last two years, this year was a whole new level of badness on the ice. He now skates like a slower version of Dana Murzyn.
- SabreWest

Ironically, Bogo will play in the playoffs, something the sabres and 90% of their players have yet to do.

#methodtohismadness

The Anaheim Ducks have received David Backes, Axel Andersson, and a 2020 first-round pick from the Boston Bruins in exchange for Ondrej Kase.
Boston is retaining 25% of Backes' salary, but the Ducks are still ending up taking a considerable cap hit in this exchange. Kase came with a $2.6 million annual cap hit for the next two seasons while Backes is at $4.5 million annually even after the retained salary. Plus Kase actually has value while Backes' use at the NHL level might be done. He had just a goal and three points in 16 games with Boston before they put him on waivers on Jan. 17th. They sent him to AHL Providence, but he didn't report so he hasn't played in over a month. Anaheim presents him with a fresh start, but that might not help.


Horrible deal for the Ducks
- SABRES 89

It depends on what kind of prospect the other guy is, I suppose. Either way it's a great deal for Boston to get rid of that contract. I remember the July 1st when they signed him it was originally reported as a one year deal for Backes the guys on TSN said it was a good deal for Boston. Minutes later it was clarified to be several years and they all just sat there in disbelief at the ridiculousness of the contract. This guy was on fumes when he was with the Blues.

The Anaheim Ducks have received David Backes, Axel Andersson, and a 2020 first-round pick from the Boston Bruins in exchange for Ondrej Kase.
Boston is retaining 25% of Backes' salary, but the Ducks are still ending up taking a considerable cap hit in this exchange. Kase came with a $2.6 million annual cap hit for the next two seasons while Backes is at $4.5 million annually even after the retained salary. Plus Kase actually has value while Backes' use at the NHL level might be done. He had just a goal and three points in 16 games with Boston before they put him on waivers on Jan. 17th. They sent him to AHL Providence, but he didn't report so he hasn't played in over a month. Anaheim presents him with a fresh start, but that might not help.


Horrible deal for the Ducks
- SABRES 89

Am i missing something on Kase's value?

Plenty of cap space this and next
get a 1st and a good prospect

The Anaheim Ducks have received David Backes, Axel Andersson, and a 2020 first-round pick from the Boston Bruins in exchange for Ondrej Kase.
Boston is retaining 25% of Backes' salary, but the Ducks are still ending up taking a considerable cap hit in this exchange. Kase came with a $2.6 million annual cap hit for the next two seasons while Backes is at $4.5 million annually even after the retained salary. Plus Kase actually has value while Backes' use at the NHL level might be done. He had just a goal and three points in 16 games with Boston before they put him on waivers on Jan. 17th. They sent him to AHL Providence, but he didn't report so he hasn't played in over a month. Anaheim presents him with a fresh start, but that might not help.


Horrible deal for the Ducks
- SABRES 89

Ducks are a rebuilding team, and even though Kase is a Tiny Tim, you might be right here. That 1st if it isn't flipped will take years to show up. It's a long term asset. Not sure how soon the prospect will come into the league. Seems like a below average prospect. Wheeler ranked him as Boston's 11th ranked prospect.

11. Axel Andersson, RHD, 19 (Moncton Wildcats)

Because Jordan Spence runs Moncton’s first power play unit, Andersson’s ability to put up big numbers in his first QMJHL season have been limited. The strength of his game is his passing. Andersson sees the ice really well, has enough patience to wait for seams to open and handles the puck well. While he doesn’t have game-breaking offensive upside, he plays an efficient game at both ends. I’ll be keeping a close eye on his progression this season because he’ll get to play in some high pressure situations on a Wildcats team that has what it takes to win the Memorial Cup. He’ll need to take some big steps to go from intriguing to something more than that, though.

Am i missing something on Kase's value?

Plenty of cap space this and next
get a 1st and a good prospect
- hubie

A late 1st and a C+ prospect. And a huge two year, 4.5M cap dump.

Am i missing something on Kase's value?

Plenty of cap space this and next
get a 1st and a good prospect
- hubie

the nerds say kase is bonafide top 6 winger as long as he's healthy

axel andersson underwhelming, and late first slim chance at becoming kase

the nerds say kase is bonafide top 6 winger as long as he's healthy

axel andersson underwhelming, and late first slim chance at becoming kase
- robz228

whats his ceiling? 50 points can easiliy be replaced

On first glance the ducks have a few forward guys who can fill in and their D depth looks to be quite lacking.

Hey PS, can you roll over and tap Botts on the shoulder? Tell em its time to get up. Thanks!!!
- Hatboro_Swords

oh no you didinnnn'ant

whats his ceiling? 50 points can easiliy be replaced
- hubie

don't know, and 50 points is not easily replaced...

A late 1st and a C+ prospect. And a huge two year, 4.5M cap dump.
- TheSabresTaco

It's more like 1.25 years

Backes has one year left on his contract

the nerds say kase is bonafide top 6 winger as long as he's healthy

axel andersson underwhelming, and late first slim chance at becoming kase
- robz228

He is not a top 6 winger in Boston though

Am i missing something on Kase's value?

Plenty of cap space this and next
get a 1st and a good prospect
- hubie

Kase is another nothing player, we have plenty of those and plenty of years without the playoffs, the Bruins can have him.