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Forums :: Blog World :: Michael Ghofrani: Trade Deadline Preview Part 2: Assessing Different Returns
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TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Feb 21 @ 10:08 AM ET
#bjusteadwatch2020
- Gr8daygo


I see that it very well may be.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Feb 21 @ 10:09 AM ET
As far as a multiple player trade with the Flames involving Gradeau...I'd much prefer to use those assets to acquire a 2C...but if I had to make the deal, then I'd want to unload Skinner, get a very solid prospect rather than a "meh" player, and need to get a 1st back this year...else, no deal.
So
Skinner, Risto, 2020-1st
for
Gradeau, Pellitier, 2020-1st

$9m for Skinner is about $1.5m too much, we all knew it was an overpayment.
Now, if they acquire Gradeau and retain Mojo and Olo, they should look to off-load their costly player at the position and NOT create yet another hole to fill.

Pellitier will be a nice 2LW, maybe even grow into 1LW...Flames will push-back, but F'em....Sabres don't need to acquire a LW and the value difference between say Skinner and Gradeau is far, far less than the value gained by using those assets to acquire a true 2C over the likes of Mojo, Lazar, Larsson, Erod...right? Right.

Let's stop playing the patsy for every other GM.

- IonSabres



Skinner waiving to go to Calgary? Doubt it.
Insert the current #1rw who is a rfa with no choice
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Feb 21 @ 10:09 AM ET
Alrite that's funny right there

Is the mispelling on purpose

- TheSabresTaco


Yes
Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Joined: 02.10.2011

Feb 21 @ 10:11 AM ET
I see that it very well may be.
- TheSabresTaco



If he trades one of the "Larry's" for this guy, this fan base will go ape sh!t.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Feb 21 @ 10:16 AM ET
If he trades one of the "Larry's" for this guy, this fan base will go ape sh!t.
- Powerslave


If Pens retained 50% for Girgensons.. I'd bite into the poop sandwich.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Feb 21 @ 10:21 AM ET
This entire dog and pony show was always going to lead to termination, from the day he asked for a trade.

-Sabres had no desire to retain salary for such a low grade asset
-The first step in termination is to typically release a player to waivers, to see if any teams will take him for free. This was highly unlikely, as I'm certain Botts would take close to anything as long as his full salary was unloaded without taking garbage back.
-Bogo not reporting was highly likely, simply based on his trade request. He's almost 30 and he wants to spend more years in the NHL. If he reports to the AHL, he won't have a chance to play for a team for the rest of the year.
-The Sabres have paid the majority of his salary already, which is only around 1.6 remaining.
-His agent already figured out that, if his contract was much more reasonable, he'd be employed by a team
-Termination allows him to seek out a deadline deal. It's no coincidence that the timing of this is happening right now. Gives him and his agent the weekend to sign with a team.
-Should this have happened long ago? Yes. But, and I know fans don't give a poop, but you want to do right by the players you employ. Bogo's a respected vet and the team tried to do right by him. Objectively, that's respectable and players outside the organization see this.
-His options were, make 1.6M in the minors, or play for a playoff team and make 700K (or maybe a little more). For a guy who's made a ton of money, having that chance to play in the playoffs is worth the >1M in losses.

- TheSabresTaco



Solid post taco
Gr8daygo
Joined: 04.23.2014

Feb 21 @ 10:22 AM ET

- jcragcrumple


Now that’s amazingly perfect!!!
SDSabre
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.05.2014

Feb 21 @ 10:34 AM ET
Still too early for a few Murray picks, but based on trends, he 'hit' (likely have NHL careers) on 9/25 players. Includes Borgen, Johansson, Guhle, Lemieux, Asplund, with obvious Eichel Reinhart Olofsson and Nylander.

If you remove monkey picks, it's 7/25. He obviously blew the Nylander pick. 28% hit rate, include the 2nd OAs and it's 36%. I'll use 28% because most teams don't have the luxury of being able to make monkey picks.

Just for dandies, Tampa hit on 5/26 (DeAngelo, Point, Cirelli, Joseph and Howden). Not sure where Hajek ends up with the Rags. That's a 19%.

Toronto hit on 4/26, and two of those are Matthews and Marner. Other two are Nylander and Dermott. Count Woll if you'd like, makes it 5/26. Remove the monkey pick and it's 15%

Murray.. coulda been worse.

- TheSabresTaco


The problem with this thinking, is every one of TB's hits is better, or more likely to be better than the Sabres picks. They got top 6F/top 4D. We got Nylander who can't cut it with Kane feeding him backdoor passes. It was bad.
hubie
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Matt Ellis is my patronus, NY
Joined: 06.28.2011

Feb 21 @ 10:34 AM ET

- jcragcrumple


You have been on the top of your game the past few days. Playing at dam near Elite Level
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Feb 21 @ 10:38 AM ET
Mighty Taco applying for a Liquor License.

https://buffalonews.com/2...ic-beverages-to-its-menu/

Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Joined: 02.10.2011

Feb 21 @ 10:47 AM ET
Mighty Taco applying for a Liquor License.

https://buffalonews.com/2...ic-beverages-to-its-menu/

- buffalofan19



Mighty is the place you go to soak up all that alcohol after drinking all night, not to drink more.
hubie
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Matt Ellis is my patronus, NY
Joined: 06.28.2011

Feb 21 @ 11:00 AM ET
Mighty is the place you go to soak up all that alcohol after drinking all night, not to drink more.
- Powerslave


SO poop beer to go with its poop food
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Feb 21 @ 11:00 AM ET
Mighty is the place you go to soak up all that alcohol after drinking all night, not to drink more.
- Powerslave



Didnt they serve beer back in the day?
toddkac
Joined: 11.21.2009

Feb 21 @ 11:04 AM ET
Ppl need to stop trading our top10 pick
It’s basically untouchable

- jdfitz77

Nothing wrong with trading the top 10 pick if you are getting a 1C back
hubie
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Matt Ellis is my patronus, NY
Joined: 06.28.2011

Feb 21 @ 11:09 AM ET
Nothing wrong with trading the top 10 pick if you are getting a 1C back
- toddkac


Give me a legit top 6 center who is under say... 28
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Feb 21 @ 11:14 AM ET
This entire dog and pony show was always going to lead to termination, from the day he asked for a trade.

-Sabres had no desire to retain salary for such a low grade asset
-The first step in termination is to typically release a player to waivers, to see if any teams will take him for free. This was highly unlikely, as I'm certain Botts would take close to anything as long as his full salary was unloaded without taking garbage back.
-Bogo not reporting was highly likely, simply based on his trade request. He's almost 30 and he wants to spend more years in the NHL. If he reports to the AHL, he won't have a chance to play for a team for the rest of the year.
-The Sabres have paid the majority of his salary already, which is only around 1.6 remaining.
-His agent already figured out that, if his contract was much more reasonable, he'd be employed by a team
-Termination allows him to seek out a deadline deal. It's no coincidence that the timing of this is happening right now. Gives him and his agent the weekend to sign with a team.
-Should this have happened long ago? Yes. But, and I know fans don't give a poop, but you want to do right by the players you employ. Bogo's a respected vet and the team tried to do right by him. Objectively, that's respectable and players outside the organization see this.
-His options were, make 1.6M in the minors, or play for a playoff team and make 700K (or maybe a little more). For a guy who's made a ton of money, having that chance to play in the playoffs is worth the >1M in losses.

- TheSabresTaco


cheers. I came here for the bogo summary.

I'll stay for the tacos.

Can he play the pk? Where is on a the below scale of leaf suckage?

Phaneuf Level - old and broken
Martin Marcinin - #7 dman
Justin Holl - #6 dman?
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Feb 21 @ 11:14 AM ET
Dreger said JB was willing to retain half on Bogo

Still no takers
washedup20
Location: the little apple
Joined: 08.19.2014

Feb 21 @ 11:16 AM ET
Dreger said JB was willing to retain half on Bogo

Still no takers

- jcragcrumple



Dreger and Botts are bff's
PrinceChill
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.06.2014

Feb 21 @ 11:17 AM ET
SO poop beer to go with its poop food
- hubie

So you can quickly poop the poop food out.
Sabretooth9
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.24.2019

Feb 21 @ 11:17 AM ET
Dreger said JB was willing to retain half on Bogo

Still no takers

- jcragcrumple


That’s hilarious ...... and I completely get it.
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Feb 21 @ 11:18 AM ET
If it's after 5 I'm 100% trading that package for Meier. A guy who is actually good, right now, for a guy who may or may not be good likely 3 years from now.
- Wetbandit1

Gr8daygo
Joined: 04.23.2014

Feb 21 @ 11:18 AM ET
Dreger said JB told him to say he was willing to retain half on Bogo

Still no takers

- jcragcrumple


Fixed?
seedy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: you don't need an ignore button to ignore someone., CA
Joined: 02.22.2007

Feb 21 @ 11:23 AM ET
Dreger said JB was willing to retain half on Bogo
Still no takers

- jcragcrumple


Thats usually what happens when a player sucks.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Feb 21 @ 11:27 AM ET
Thats usually what happens when a player sucks.
- seedy


https://youtu.be/a-EUllKwP7Y

There's a problem, Happy: You're not any good
Hatboro_Swords
Buffalo Sabres
Location: WE'RE PRACTICING THE POWER PLAY!, PA
Joined: 07.30.2010

Feb 21 @ 11:37 AM ET
Still too early for a few Murray picks, but based on trends, he 'hit' (likely have NHL careers) on 9/25 players. Includes Borgen, Johansson, Guhle, Lemieux, Asplund, with obvious Eichel Reinhart Olofsson and Nylander.

If you remove monkey picks, it's 7/25. He obviously blew the Nylander pick. 28% hit rate, include the 2nd OAs and it's 36%. I'll use 28% because most teams don't have the luxury of being able to make monkey picks.

Just for dandies, Tampa hit on 5/26 (DeAngelo, Point, Cirelli, Joseph and Howden). Not sure where Hajek ends up with the Rags. That's a 19%.

Toronto hit on 4/26, and two of those are Matthews and Marner. Other two are Nylander and Dermott. Count Woll if you'd like, makes it 5/26. Remove the monkey pick and it's 15%

Murray.. coulda been worse.

- TheSabresTaco


Like I said, Effin Champion of a GM. You should know I know all permutations and outcomes before making the most prolific prognostications ever to come true in the history of this site. As Bran Stark once said, I'm the Three Eyed Raven now.
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