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IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Feb 20 @ 7:56 PM ET
How's this for a conversation? "Well Yanni, Andre, Tyler (insert name here) you can take the huge pay cut and play in Syracuse for the Crunch, or you can take no pay cut and play for Florida, Nashville or Dallas and keep your current salary. Will you waive no trade now?" People waive no trade clause all the time. Gives them some say over where they will go, but if you're not wanted anymore you want to go somewhere where you can play. Granted, they have to clear waivers if sent down and may not. But, would you lose Gourde for nothing to clear the cup space to sing Cirelli and have Coleman fill Gourde's spot for a third of the money? Organizationally all day long. Especially with his production this year versus his cap hit.
- 33eagle


How about this Conversation,
Yanni's Agent -
Ya, no, but thanks though. Go ahead, send him to Syracuse...you save $1,075,000. Yanni still gets the full contract value of $5,166,666 annually...because it is a One Way Contract. See how long you keep your job. If you're going to play hardball, maybe you want to trade Kuch or Point.
Now, how about you work with these 10 teams he is willing to go to...think about it, call me back.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Feb 20 @ 7:57 PM ET
Little premature, he’s still at 699
- Pegullaville

PrinceChill
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.06.2014

Feb 20 @ 7:57 PM ET
Making a trade is difficult.
Attracting good free agents to Buffalo is challenging.
There is a significant chance that next year’s 2C will be Mitts, Mojo, or Cozens.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Feb 20 @ 7:58 PM ET
👍

Pretty much one of the greatest records in sports.
Home runs
Td passes
Basketball points?

- Boss34

golf majors
tennis majors


Gr8daygo
Joined: 04.23.2014

Feb 20 @ 7:58 PM ET
And i would hate that
He’s not even a good 3C

- jdfitz77


At least he’s a “center”. Lol!!!
Brochilldude
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 01.13.2020

Feb 20 @ 7:58 PM ET
I’m not saying i want Cozens at 2C
But i also don’t wanna bring in a guy for 6yrs at 8mil per who is underachieving
Doesn’t make sense to me bc i believe Cozens will be ready for 2C sooner than later

Would make much more sense to bring in a placeholder than to devote all that Cap to a guy who is failing in his role

- jdfitz77


Seems to me like it'd be an opportunity to buy low on a very good playmaker (who's only 27) who we can pair with upper echelon scorer - have to think both would increase their production by a reasonable amount. If cozens is the real deal in 3 years, in a world where RJ's overall impact to cap % has likely decreased, odds are you could flip Johansen for a decent return if you feel you dont need him.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Feb 20 @ 7:58 PM ET
Making a trade is difficult.
Attracting good free agents to Buffalo is challenging.
There is a significant chance that next year’s 2C will be Mitts, Mojo, or Cozens.

- PrinceChill

cozens


Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Joined: 02.10.2011

Feb 20 @ 7:58 PM ET
Making a trade is difficult.
Attracting good free agents to Buffalo is challenging.
There is a significant chance that next year’s 2C will be Mitts, Mojo, or Cozens.

- PrinceChill



🤮
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Feb 20 @ 7:59 PM ET
He's 27, having a down year, the only problem is the 8 mill, but in a year or so 70 pt Centers, probably be the going rate.
- Buff36


Sure...
and he probably can bounce back
But we have Cozens coming...
So why devote $8mil of our Cap to Johansen for the next 6years?

And what do we have to give up to get him?
🤮🤮🤮
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Feb 20 @ 8:00 PM ET
big space force decision coming soon
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Feb 20 @ 8:01 PM ET
Sure...
and he probably can bounce back
But we have Cozens coming...
So why devote $8mil of our Cap to Johansen for the next 6years?

And what do we have to give up to get him?
🤮🤮🤮

- jdfitz77


Conceivably the answer is cap space
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Feb 20 @ 8:03 PM ET
Conceivably the answer is cap space
- jcragcrumple

Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Feb 20 @ 8:03 PM ET
big space force decision coming soon
- homiedclown


jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Feb 20 @ 8:04 PM ET
Seems to me like it'd be an opportunity to buy low on a very good playmaker (who's only 27) who we can pair with upper echelon scorer - have to think both would increase their production by a reasonable amount. If cozens is the real deal in 3 years, in a world where RJ's overall impact to cap % has likely decreased, odds are you could flip Johansen for a decent return if you feel you dont need him.
- Brochilldude


IF he bounces back
If he just lacks heart, effort & consistency and that’s led to his underperforming

If you could really “buy low” on him,
then maybe it’s worth the gamble

But it makes more sense to me to get a cheaper placeholder who’s still decent, or even good
And devote that $$$ to a RW like Hoffman or Dadonov (just for example) that consistently plays well
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Feb 20 @ 8:04 PM ET
How about this Conversation,
Yanni's Agent -
Ya, no, but thanks though. Go ahead, send him to Syracuse...you save $1,075,000. Yanni still gets the full contract value of $5,166,666 annually...because it is a One Way Contract. See how long you keep your job. If you're going to play hardball, maybe you want to trade Kuch or Point.
Now, how about you work with these 10 teams he is willing to go to...think about it, call me back.

- IonSabres


Good post
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Feb 20 @ 8:04 PM ET

- Wetbandit1

PrinceChill
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.06.2014

Feb 20 @ 8:04 PM ET
cozens
- homiedclown

I can easily picture this.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Feb 20 @ 8:04 PM ET
At least he’s a “center”. Lol!!!
- Gr8daygo


You’ve got me there! 😂
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Feb 20 @ 8:05 PM ET
golf majors
tennis majors

- homiedclown



Those 2

NBA points
Hockey goals
Homeruns
Olympic metals

Passing tds
Golf championships
Tennis championships

Bowling titles
Soccer goals
Other soccer related achievements


PrinceChill
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.06.2014

Feb 20 @ 8:06 PM ET
🤮
- Powerslave

Not saying I’d like it. Would it really surprise you? Maybe all three could rotate the spot?
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Feb 20 @ 8:06 PM ET
Conceivably the answer is cap space
- jcragcrumple


Idk...
U really think they’d just dump him?

He’s still talented
I just don’t think he’s the answer here
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Feb 20 @ 8:07 PM ET
Those 2

NBA points
Hockey goals
Homeruns
Olympic metals

Passing tds
Golf championships
Tennis championships

Bowling titles
Soccer goals
Other soccer related achievements

- Boss34

gotta have something for a goalie, best pitcher

jerry rice's record


and something for bobby orr
SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I'm very Happy to be here. Las Vegas Via Buffalo N.Y.
Joined: 02.17.2007

Feb 20 @ 8:08 PM ET
That combined with Fiala for Granlund and Girard for Turris is main examples on why trades to “win now” more often than not blow up in your face.

When Poille is unemployed in a few months he’ll have a lot of time to mull those over.

- Pegullaville

Never happen
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Feb 20 @ 8:09 PM ET
Never happen
- SABRES 89


Seth Jones could get a heck of a lot more than Ryan Johansen at this point.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Feb 20 @ 8:09 PM ET
big space force decision coming soon
- homiedclown


Warren for Commander?
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