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Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Feb 20 @ 6:05 PM ET
After Johnny hockey said he would play with the Philadelphia Flyers it's been weird ever since
- gerbe75pts


I think it became weird when they paid him 40 million and he slowed down to 14 goals this year.

He jeff skinnered them. Its gonna get weird around here in 2 years if skinner only has 14 goals in 60 games.
Fighting for the playoffs. Easy scapegoat
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Feb 20 @ 6:06 PM ET
I was thinking Big Lots
- keptupl8


😁

Gr8daygo
Joined: 04.23.2014

Feb 20 @ 6:15 PM ET
That's not right. We're paying Erhoff through 20/21.
- Lunaion


It didn’t show on cap friendly. It had him listed but zero dollar associated.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Feb 20 @ 6:15 PM ET
I think it became weird when they paid him 40 million and he slowed down to 14 goals this year.

He jeff skinnered them. Its gonna get weird around here in 2 years if skinner only has 14 goals in 60 games.
Fighting for the playoffs. Easy scapegoat

- Boss34


He had 99 Points last year it's just a weird year for him Hes not the face anymore but he Would be a fan favorite in buffalo
Sabretooth9
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.24.2019

Feb 20 @ 6:19 PM ET
He had 99 Points last year it's just a weird year for him Hes not the face anymore but he Would be a fan favorite in buffalo
- gerbe75pts


Would love Johnny hockey ..... unfortunately we don’t have cap space required for Eichel skinner dahlin Sam and Johnny

Skinner for Johnny ?
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Feb 20 @ 6:19 PM ET
Would love Johnny hockey ..... unfortunately we don’t have cap space required for Eichel skinner dahlin Sam and Johnny

Skinner for Johnny ?

- Sabretooth9


It most likely would be Sam going
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Feb 20 @ 6:21 PM ET
It didn’t show on cap friendly. It had him listed but zero dollar associated.
- Gr8daygo


It was a compliance buyout, there's no cap hit.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Feb 20 @ 6:21 PM ET
skinner is gonna look good when he wins the green jacket


homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Feb 20 @ 6:22 PM ET
Would love Johnny hockey ..... unfortunately we don’t have cap space required for Eichel skinner dahlin Sam and Johnny

Skinner for Johnny ?

- Sabretooth9

risto, johansson and casey
Sabretooth9
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.24.2019

Feb 20 @ 6:28 PM ET
risto, johansson and casey
- homiedclown


I am 100% okay with it. We know what Johnny hockey brings to the table

Mitts unknown
Risto big piece
Johansson is solid but we can find a replacement

Do it
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Feb 20 @ 6:32 PM ET
You guys are dreaming very big
toddkac
Joined: 11.21.2009

Feb 20 @ 6:34 PM ET
We have the worst GM in the league.

He is a clown
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Feb 20 @ 6:35 PM ET
You guys are dreaming very big
- jcragcrumple

we have Dalton Smith and Taylor Leier

all is well
Sabretooth9
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.24.2019

Feb 20 @ 6:35 PM ET
You guys are dreaming very big
- jcragcrumple


Lol I literally have 0 faith in botts making a big move.

But I will say this. I would like to see botts plan come into action and keep him for atleast 1 more year

Why: If we fire botts ..... no veteran Gm will touch this roster with a 50 ft pole.

So we get another wannabe first time gm like botts or Timmy and then back to square one.

The new gm also fires Ralph and then good luck finding a new coach. Before Ralph, veteran coaches didn’t even want to interview here.


So I want to see the plan actually happen. As much as it pains me to say
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Feb 20 @ 6:36 PM ET
We have the worst GM in the league.

He is a clown

- toddkac

homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Feb 20 @ 6:37 PM ET

Why: If we fire botts ..... no veteran Gm will touch this roster with a 50 ft pole.


- Sabretooth9

they have not wanted to touch this roster in the past 7 years, what's 7 more?
Sabretooth9
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.24.2019

Feb 20 @ 6:41 PM ET
they have not wanted to touch this roster in the past 7 years, what's 7 more?
- homiedclown


Tim Murray was forced to expedite the rebuild and gave away the farm for O’reilly and Kane Lehner

Botts is saving the farm


We don’t know what his plan is .... but I want to see it through
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Feb 20 @ 6:42 PM ET
You guys are dreaming very big
- jcragcrumple

Nothing will happen
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Feb 20 @ 6:42 PM ET
Lol I literally have 0 faith in botts making a big move.

But I will say this. I would like to see botts plan come into action and keep him for atleast 1 more year

Why: If we fire botts ..... no veteran Gm will touch this roster with a 50 ft pole.

So we get another wannabe first time gm like botts or Timmy and then back to square one.

The new gm also fires Ralph and then good luck finding a new coach. Before Ralph, veteran coaches didn’t even want to interview here.


So I want to see the plan actually happen. As much as it pains me to say

- Sabretooth9


There are only 31 jobs available at the highest level. Maybe 5 a year. There are always people who would kill for the job (not to mention the Sabres have two amazing foundational pieces). If your guy isnt the right guy for the job, you make a change. I personally also don't think a retread is necessary or even a good idea at all
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Feb 20 @ 6:44 PM ET
Well written blog, again. Too bad the sabres are so bad I am avoiding most of my usual hockey reading.

I'm going to throw down a bit of a run on post that you should all just ignore, mostly for therapeutic reasons...

Everything in the NHL should be thought of as an asset. A pick is a high return, high risk investment that takes 2-4 years to mature. Exception is a top ten pick, which is a relatively low risk, high return, investment that starts paying off in 0-3 years usually.

A prospect is a lower risk, lower return investment that starts paying dividends in a similar time frame to a top ten pick.

A roster player is an investment that pays dividends now, basically. Cap space is just a roster player in disguise. Having 5 million is cap space is better than having a 5 million dollar roster player if you can get a better free agent for 5 million. That simple. Most people forget that when the Bruins traded a premium asset like Thornton, the biggest asset they got back was 7 million in cap space, a portion of which became Savard.

The problem with Botteril is the same as Murray, he mismanages assets. Simple. Murray did great liquidating his assets into picks, but when it cam time to convert the picks back into prospects or roster players, he either made poor trades or bad draft picks. It wasn't the actual trading away of picks that was the problem, it was the poor returns.

With Botteril, how many times does he need to mismanage an asset before it becomes too painfully obvious he's not good at this?

1. Scandella, traded for a fourth, goes for a 2nd and a 4th the same year.
2. OReilly, nuff said.
3. Skinner - good trade, but in less than a year he managed to A) Not resign him after the trade and wait to see how the season went, B)inflate Skinner's value by playing him all season with Eichel, C) overpay him to keep him, wasting a valuable 1-2 million cap space, an ASSET, and finally D) stop playing him with Eichel, so his value plummets. In one year he managed to turn a young, affordable goal scorer into a 9 million dollar dead weight.
4. Risto - he has held this asset forever, and the value of the asset has dropped basically every year. I doubt he even brings in a top six forward now, where 2 years ago he would have brought in a major piece.
5. Evander Kane
6. Mittelstadt - an 8th round pick has to be big for you, and it's not just the draft pick being a bust, it's how he was managed that many rightly feel ruined him.
7. Hunwick and Sheary.
8. Reinhart, should have been signed long term for 5-7 million, instead will be our next overpaid player

Enough is enough.

- matty12345



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gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Feb 20 @ 6:44 PM ET
Tim Murray was forced to expedite the rebuild and gave away the farm for O’reilly and Kane Lehner

Botts is saving the farm


We don’t know what his plan is .... but I want to see it through

- Sabretooth9


I don't he Ignored the most important league for 2 drafts then when he got called out for it he finally drafted a player out of the CHL

- He never fixed the center position 2 years straight
- He never made a trade after 2 years Of going on a winning streak and saving the season

He has no plan hes clueless
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Feb 20 @ 6:45 PM ET
we have Dalton Smith and Taylor Leier

all is well

- homiedclown


I'd set the over/under of moves at 2

Scrubs leaving. Call it a day
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Feb 20 @ 6:49 PM ET
He had 99 Points last year it's just a weird year for him Hes not the face anymore but he Would be a fan favorite in buffalo
- gerbe75pts


That's truly the splash over payment move saved for the offseason.

He would be royally playing with John jack

John h - john j - vic o
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Feb 20 @ 6:49 PM ET


Botts is saving the farm


We don’t know what his plan is .... but I want to see it through

- Sabretooth9

he is going to bank on casey or cozens to be second line center next year

put the other on the 3rd line

tage will be 2nd line winger
sign a fringe 3rd line over the hill vet in free agency


olofsson-eichel-reinhart
skinner-cozens-tage
casey-soderberg-johansson



gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Feb 20 @ 6:51 PM ET
Sabers have scouts for the leafs game

Not that it doesn't matter
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