Um, didn't we sign him again?


- Hockey_Reverend

dubas has done a tremendous job though

dubas has done a tremendous job though
- Tumbleweed

Any word on who is starting in net tonight?

I'm not saying its his fault, but he needs to get one or 2 of those types... if he doesn't and we miss the playoffs, or get jettisoned in the first round again, I think you can start to point at Dubas team construction...

IMO Dubas has next season. If its another crappy year, the hammer will fall on him at some point...
- Hockey_Reverend

Eventually, yes.. Just like it will eventually fall on Keefe as well.

Dubas has addressed some issues, bringing in Campbell and Clifford. I like that he hasn't overpaid for a UFA defenseman like some other teams have done recently. If he gets a good defenseman with term on his contract by Monday, then it's another good move.

Any word on who is starting in net tonight?
- Hockey_Reverend

Our backup, Andersen

4 seasons.

That's what you give a GM before they start to be judged.

Unless they go full Fenton.
- BINGO!

that's fair.. Dubas has done a good job so far. IMO..

not likely.

he's terrible defensively.
- Tumbleweed

He's replacing johnsson on the line with Matthews.
He might be as good/bad as Johnsson (a 3rd liner that can play on the PP that gets top6 minutes)

Depends. Are the 4 stars? Who would the money be spent on if we didnt have one of them? Cap space helps if you spend it on good players instead of saving it to sign, say Gardiner and Simmons. Cap space can easily be wasted on Lupul, Clarkson, Komi, Phaneuf... cant just assume that by not having 4 big contracts the money would lead to team changing star players for great bargains.

Imo spending a lot on star players doesnt hurt teams as much as overpaying for average players.
- systemtool

Toolsie!

Our backup, Andersen
- PatC80

Hate that guy...meow.

It's funny that Leafs have the same record as Washington and the Blues the past 10 games. Things will even out. The Leafs' goaltending is unsusatinably bad.
- RogerRoeper

Yeah except those teams are not fighting for a playoff spot.

4 seasons.

That's what you give a GM before they start to be judged.

Unless they go full Fenton.
- BINGO!

For a poophole team like the hurricanes yes.
In Toronto no - with all the advantages the Leafs org can give a GM, have to produce results from day 1.
Unfair to ask that fro Dubas since he had 0 experience as a NHL GM and only a few years as an assistant.
Dubas talks well but content wise it's all very mediocre so far.

Hate that guy...meow.
- AdamFrench

What a scrub

that's fair.. Dubas has done a good job so far. IMO..
- PatC80

Define 'good' job?

The Kadri trade is looking worse everyday. i am not saying we shouldn't have traded him, but that deal smells. We will lose Barrie so it is essentially Kadri for Kerfoot... that is aweful.

Nylander singing is good value.

Recent trade for Clifford and Soup is good.

Marleau dump will come back to bite us imo. just wait, that 1st will turn into a player...

Not addressing the defence and team toughness a long time ago is a big misstep.

I think Dubas has done an okay job with what we have, the issue I have is his philosophy... I don't think it will work...

dubas has done a tremendous job though
- Tumbleweed

Yes I would have packed that plugs poop for him.

But holy its not like he extended him on a 6 year deal.

After that list I can see where your bias is...

No team has stars they can replace stars with. So like every other team, when a star goes down, we replace them with lesser players. The sky is blue.
- systemtool

Exactly.
The problem is culture.

In a cap world nobody has depth. What some teams do have is a system they buy into, and work ethic.

that's fair.. Dubas has done a good job so far. IMO..
- PatC80

Like it takes at least that long to start to see the actual impact of their first draft, and by that point they have made decisions on most if not all of the players brought in during the previous regime.

It takes until about the 4th season for you to be able to say that the team is actually of that GM's construction.

Define 'good' job?

The Kadri trade is looking worse everyday. i am not saying we shouldn't have traded him, but that deal smells. We will lose Barrie so it is essentially Kadri for Kerfoot... that is aweful.

Nylander singing is good value.

Recent trade for Clifford and Soup is good.

Marleau dump will come back to bite us imo. just wait, that 1st will turn into a player...

Not addressing the defence and team toughness a long time ago is a big misstep.

I think Dubas has done an okay job with what we have, the issue I have is his philosophy... I don't think it will work...
- Hockey_Reverend

Jeff Petry if I have anything to say about it (I don't)

Define 'good' job?

The Kadri trade is looking worse everyday. i am not saying we shouldn't have traded him, but that deal smells. We will lose Barrie so it is essentially Kadri for Kerfoot... that is aweful.

Nylander singing is good value.

Recent trade for Clifford and Soup is good.

Marleau dump will come back to bite us imo. just wait, that 1st will turn into a player...

Not addressing the defence and team toughness a long time ago is a big misstep.

I think Dubas has done an okay job with what we have, the issue I have is his philosophy... I don't think it will work...
- Hockey_Reverend

He hasn't made a head scratching trade like Martin Erat for Filip Forsberg?


The Kadri trade had to be done.. If you recall, it was Kadri that blocked a trade to Calgary, we could have had Jankowski and Brodie.. So, Dubas had to find another trading partner.
The Nylander deal, Dubas didn't cave. It's fair market value for Nylander.

Campbell/Clifford was a good trade, it cost two 3rd round picks and Trevor Moore.. We have Campbell for 2 more seasons.

The Marleau dump was a necessity.. If not for that, we couldn't re-sign Marner and that was Lou's contract negotiation..

Brought in Muzzin and Barrie, it's fine to say Barrie hasn't worked out, but Dubas did bring him here.

The cost for a UFA defenseman seems high right now, based off of what other teams have paid..
IMO, he's done a good job so far.

Define 'good' job?

The Kadri trade is looking worse everyday. i am not saying we shouldn't have traded him, but that deal smells. We will lose Barrie so it is essentially Kadri for Kerfoot... that is aweful.

Nylander singing is good value.

Recent trade for Clifford and Soup is good.

Marleau dump will come back to bite us imo. just wait, that 1st will turn into a player...

Not addressing the defence and team toughness a long time ago is a big misstep.

I think Dubas has done an okay job with what we have, the issue I have is his philosophy... I don't think it will work...
- Hockey_Reverend

The Kadri trade is smelly but doobies biggest misstep is not having the blueline corrected and the two are obviously connected.

The thing is, with the wrangling it took to get this far, I can't fault him for not having the blueline addressed in the first summer. He had a core to extend and numerous cap issues to deke around to get to this point.

Finding Barrie at his salary was obviously key to the Kadri deal and I'm assuming options were limited on that front.

It looks ugly now cause of where we are but i have no issue with what's been done to put the team where it is.

Like it takes at least that long to start to see the actual impact of their first draft, and by that point they have made decisions on most if not all of the players brought in during the previous regime.

It takes until about the 4th season for you to be able to say that the team is actually of that GM's construction.
- BINGO!

You have to give the new guy some time to correct the mistakes he feels the previous GM made..

Blaming Dubas for not firing Babs early, isn't his fault.. It was Shanahan that wanted to give Babcock another chance, it didn't work out, so Shanny fired him.

You have to give the new guy some time to correct the mistakes he feels the previous GM made..

Blaming Dubas for not firing Babs early, isn't his fault.. It was Shanahan that wanted to give Babcock another chance, it didn't work out, so Shanny fired him.
- PatC80

Trade shanny

Mimico sucks

4 more years

fine. pointless signings/trades. or whatever you call it.

but outside of established nhl players, dubas has been useless are bringing in guys from other teams that have any kind of positive impact.

and he's swung and missed on a lot. at some point you have to question his judgement.
- Tumbleweed

Your top players need to not only produce, they need to set the example for the team. I don't think any of them are setting a high enough standard right now. A lot has been said about the Penguins being held to the standard that Crosby sets for the team. I believe there is something to that.

The Kadri trade is smelly but doobies biggest misstep is not having the blueline corrected and the two are obviously connected.

The thing is, with the wrangling it took to get this far, I can't fault him for not having the blueline addressed in the first summer. He had a core to extend and numerous cap issues to deke around to get to this point.

Finding Barrie at his salary was obviously key to the Kadri deal and I'm assuming options were limited on that front.

It looks ugly now cause of where we are but i have no issue with what's been done to put the team where it is.
- joel878

It's a tough stretch we are going through right now. I agree though, no issues with how the team is..
Keefe will get them to figure out their poop. If Andersen plays like he is capable of, we will be better.

You have to give the new guy some time to correct the mistakes he feels the previous GM made..

Blaming Dubas for not firing Babs early, isn't his fault.. It was Shanahan that wanted to give Babcock another chance, it didn't work out, so Shanny fired him.
- PatC80

Exactly.

by year 4 you've had time to try and correct whatever you didn't like about what you've inherited.

dubas has done a tremendous job though
- Tumbleweed

You're being so Walshy right now! Bring back Weedsy.