There will be no parade with confetti which means we will take Perfetti.
- boilermaker100

https://www.draftsite.com...r/yaroslav-askarov/32338/

Currently the Hawks sit at #8 (from the bottom).

Early reports have them drafting Marco Rossi. He's 5' 9 ...............................
- RedRevenge

Holtz i liked the hawks to draft

Junior? Dach played 3 seasons already lol. AHL is not much if a development league sadly. It should be but it isn’t. I might’ve agreed with you on Boq to start the season but in hindsight he’s done well at the NHL level. Dach has made leaps and bounds over his first full season as well.
- Assman22

Dach has looked very good. I don't think destroying smaller kids in juniors would have helped him in any way. He needs to continue to learn how to use his big body against stronger men. The skill will shine through as he gets more comfortable, and he should become an absolute force as he grows.

I think a decent comparable for him would be Joe Thornton. Thornton came straight to the NHL after he was drafted. Had 7 pts in 55 games his first season. Didn't become elite until his fourth year in the league, but the development and progression was there.

3/4 of the way thru another disappointing season, I think we can rely on the stats as being representative - defensive stats, 5x5, from Natural Statrick:

SOG against - 31st in league. SF % - 30th
SC against - 31st. SCF% - 28th
High Danger Chances Against - 30th. HDC% - 29th
HDGA - 28th. HDGF% - 24th

Almost all in the bottom 5 in the league - a couple at the very bottom....obviously, goaltending kept them in the hunt - and now that the goalies have regressed a bit....

After a season and a half, the young coach has not shown any ability in getting his charges to focus on defense and play responsibly. Last nite, as bad as Lehner’s comments were, he wasn’t wrong - inability to clear, inability to keep opponents from being one-on-one at the goal - is it yet time to say that Colliton isn’t ready for the Show - and isn’t showing that he will be any time soon?

As flawed as the on-ice personnel is (are?j, they should be better - there are enough veterans out there that you can’t blame it all on “mistakes of youth” - some of this is on the core that should be better at leading these guys out of the wilderness. A couple of weeks ago, after beating Arizona in a shootout on the road, they were in the thick of it - time for team leaders to be team leaders - but 1-5-2=4 points out of 16 against teams they were competing with for a post season spot.

Perhaps there is a future with good young players on Chicago - and in the pipeline - but the current team should be better - the current team should not have collapsed as they have.

Maybe it’s time to say if Colliton can’t get more out of this squad, perhaps he’s not the guy going forward. After 1 1/2 seasons worth of games, these guys should be better than being at the very bottom of the league defensively.
- StLBravesFan

I drank the kool-aid also, but in reality trotting out a defenseman core that includes KK, Gus, and a 19 yo that got totally horsed last night gets you a 31st rated defense. And on the Rangers third goal, Toews was in the slot but totally puck watching Kreider circle the net and Buchnevich said excuse me while I drive to the net.

The Athletic had an interview with Gus posted this morning. Gus said his family loves living in Chicago and essentially said he’d be open to taking a “minimal” contract here.
Trade him then re-sign in offseason for a discount?

The Athletic had an interview with Gus posted this morning. Gus said his family loves living in Chicago and essentially said he’d be open to taking a “minimal” contract here.
Trade him then re-sign in offseason for a discount?
- Assman22

Betting is Stan goes 3 years at $4M plus a full NMC. Stan confident it will just take another year under JC for Gus to ‘get it’.

The Athletic had an interview with Gus posted this morning. Gus said his family loves living in Chicago and essentially said he’d be open to taking a “minimal” contract here.
Trade him then re-sign in offseason for a discount?
- Assman22

Why would you want the Hawks to re-sign him? He's proven he can't play defense at all and his offense fell off the table. What is the upside of signing him?

Dach has looked very good. I don't think destroying smaller kids in juniors would have helped him in any way. He needs to continue to learn how to use his big body against stronger men. The skill will shine through as he gets more comfortable, and he should become an absolute force as he grows.

I think a decent comparable for him would be Joe Thornton. Thornton came straight to the NHL after he was drafted. Had 7 pts in 55 games his first season. Didn't become elite until his fourth year in the league, but the development and progression was there.
- Hawks_49

That's the comp I've thought of. Also, I think they've eased Dach along and into the lineup vs. figuring he'll likely be a top 2 center eventually, so let's put him there from day 1.

They kept his minutes low, played him with 4th liners, etc...

3/4 of the way thru another disappointing season, I think we can rely on the stats as being representative - defensive stats, 5x5, from Natural Statrick:

SOG against - 31st in league. SF % - 30th
SC against - 31st. SCF% - 28th
High Danger Chances Against - 30th. HDC% - 29th
HDGA - 28th. HDGF% - 24th

Almost all in the bottom 5 in the league - a couple at the very bottom....obviously, goaltending kept them in the hunt - and now that the goalies have regressed a bit....

After a season and a half, the young coach has not shown any ability in getting his charges to focus on defense and play responsibly. Last nite, as bad as Lehner’s comments were, he wasn’t wrong - inability to clear, inability to keep opponents from being one-on-one at the goal - is it yet time to say that Colliton isn’t ready for the Show - and isn’t showing that he will be any time soon?

As flawed as the on-ice personnel is (are?j, they should be better - there are enough veterans out there that you can’t blame it all on “mistakes of youth” - some of this is on the core that should be better at leading these guys out of the wilderness. A couple of weeks ago, after beating Arizona in a shootout on the road, they were in the thick of it - time for team leaders to be team leaders - but 1-5-2=4 points out of 16 against teams they were competing with for a post season spot.

Perhaps there is a future with good young players on Chicago - and in the pipeline - but the current team should be better - the current team should not have collapsed as they have.

Maybe it’s time to say if Colliton can’t get more out of this squad, perhaps he’s not the guy going forward. After 1 1/2 seasons worth of games, these guys should be better than being at the very bottom of the league defensively.
- StLBravesFan

YEP. Was thinking last night, boy this team continues to get worse in their own zone. If your argument is that this awfulness is on the players, then the blame lands on the coach. It's his job to create a system that plays to the strengths of this team.

Give this team credit - they tried as hard as i've seen to buy into a system. They had a handful of games this year where they looked like a playoff team. The rest of the games looked underwhelming. This team looks and feels AHL-like most nights and I think that is telling...

I drank the kool-aid also, but in reality trotting out a defenseman core that includes KK, Gus, and a 19 yo that got totally horsed last night gets you a 31st rated defense. And on the Rangers third goal, Toews was in the slot but totally puck watching Kreider circle the net and Buchnevich said excuse me while I drive to the net.
- LAHawk

Toews wasn't puck watching he was having a beer with Cagguila.

https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/player/yaroslav-askarov/32338/
- DarthKane

Stock up on the Smirnoff then select Askarov.

That's the comp I've thought of. Also, I think they've eased Dach along and into the lineup vs. figuring he'll likely be a top 2 center eventually, so let's put him there from day 1.

They kept his minutes low, played him with 4th liners, etc...
- HawkintheD

They have done a very good job of limiting his responsibilities and slowly easing him into his role, and there has been a clear difference between him now and him at the beginning of the year. It has been very positive.

The Athletic had an interview with Gus posted this morning. Gus said his family loves living in Chicago and essentially said he’d be open to taking a “minimal” contract here.
Trade him then re-sign in offseason for a discount?
- Assman22

no time to move on from gus imo.

The Athletic had an interview with Gus posted this morning. Gus said his family loves living in Chicago and essentially said he’d be open to taking a “minimal” contract here.
Trade him then re-sign in offseason for a discount?
- Assman22

Is there even a market for someone like Gus?

Why would you want the Hawks to re-sign him? He's proven he can't play defense at all and his offense fell off the table. What is the upside of signing him?
- paulr

You do realize this is Blowman we are talking about, right Paul?

Gus was a 1-hit wonder at a point when "anything goes" was the mantra. Was like a glorified NHL rat-ice when he rang up all those points. He wasn't then, nor is he now, even close to being a competent defender. Like water seeking its own level, Gus is what he is but Blowman will likely re-sign him. And regardless of the contract $'s, it's a dumb move blocking other potential guys from getting a shot.

Look at his minutes. Another JC love-child like Kampf.

Dach has looked very good. I don't think destroying smaller kids in juniors would have helped him in any way. He needs to continue to learn how to use his big body against stronger men. The skill will shine through as he gets more comfortable, and he should become an absolute force as he grows.

I think a decent comparable for him would be Joe Thornton. Thornton came straight to the NHL after he was drafted. Had 7 pts in 55 games his first season. Didn't become elite until his fourth year in the league, but the development and progression was there.
- Hawks_49

But can Dach even grow a beard?

Is there even a market for someone like Gus?
- hpk90

Depending on what happens with the other d-men and the contract Gus takes I'm open to the possibility of him staying. If the re-signs the same agreement, term and dollar while the likes of Maatta, Koekkoek, and Seeler are all dealt or buried in Rockford it's ok to keep Gus for the bottom pairing or 4th d-man.

Depending on what happens with the other d-men and the contract Gus takes I'm open to the possibility of him staying. If the re-signs the same agreement, term and dollar while the likes of Maatta, Koekkoek, and Seeler are all dealt or buried in Rockford it's ok to keep Gus for the bottom pairing or 4th d-man.
- DarthKane

A definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Let's move on from Gus and try something different.

The real standings
_____ GP PTS PTS/G
Av's . 59 75 1.271 1st Cen
Blues . 60 76 1.267 2nd Cen (tie)
Stars . 60 76 1.267 2nd Cen (tie)
Oilers . 60 71 1.183 1st Pac
Canucks. 60 70 1.167 2nd Pac
Knights . 61 70 1.148 3rd Pac
Flames . 61 68 1.115 WC
Preds . 59 65 1.102 WC
Jets . 61 67 1.098
Yotes . 63 68 1.079
Wild . 59 63 1.068
Hawks . 60 60 1.000
Sharks . 59 56 0.949
Ducks . 60 55 0.917
Kings . 60 47 0.783

Sell Smart Stan

Currently lottery position
1 Wings 62 34 0.548
2 Kings 60 47 0.783
3 Sens 60 53 0.883
4 Devils 59 54 0.915
5 Ducks 60 55 0.917
6 Sharks 59 56 0.949
7 Hawks 60 60 1.000
8 Canad. 62 62 1.000
9 Sabres 60 62 1.033
10 Wild 59 63 1.068
11 Yotes 63 68 1.079
12 Jets 61 67 1.098
13 Rangers 59 66 1.119
14 Panthers 60 70 1.167
15 Canucks 60 70 1.167

Go Sharks!!!

The real standings
_____ GP PTS PTS/G
Av's . 59 75 1.271 1st Cen
Blues . 60 76 1.267 2nd Cen (tie)
Stars . 60 76 1.267 2nd Cen (tie)
Oilers . 60 71 1.183 1st Pac
Canucks. 60 70 1.167 2nd Pac
Knights . 61 70 1.148 3rd Pac
Flames . 61 68 1.115 WC
Preds . 59 65 1.102 WC
Jets . 61 67 1.098
Yotes . 63 68 1.079
Wild . 59 63 1.068
Hawks . 60 60 1.000
Sharks . 59 56 0.949
Ducks . 60 55 0.917
Kings . 60 47 0.783

Sell Smart Stan

Currently lottery position
1 Wings 62 34 0.548
2 Kings 60 47 0.783
3 Sens 60 53 0.883
4 Devils 59 54 0.915
5 Ducks 60 55 0.917
6 Sharks 59 56 0.949
7 Hawks 60 60 1.000
8 Canad. 62 62 1.000
9 Sabres 60 62 1.033
10 Wild 59 63 1.068
11 Yotes 63 68 1.079
12 Jets 61 67 1.098
13 Rangers 59 66 1.119
14 Panthers 60 70 1.167
15 Canucks 60 70 1.167

Go Sharks!!!
- -Doh-

At this point, keep tanking. There's NOTHING to salvage with this season. Get yourself another top 5 and let's try to be better next season. It's time to be honest with ourselves. We need to rebuild.

One other thing about last nite’s game (and ill throw in the Winnipeg game too) - fairly typical of the season, I think:

The 5 goals that the Rags scored 5x5 were all on zone-time plays - not on the rush - the Hawks weren’t getting beat back and NY wasn’t getting odd-man breaks - they were creating in-close slot one-on-nones off of the cycle or low-to-slot from behind the goal line. Rangers were getting wide opens with all 10 skaters in the Hawk zone.

All three Jets goals Sunday were on shots from the point with two Jets at the net - all tip ins (one by AdB).

All three Hawk goals last nite were on rushes, IIRC.

Hawks are bad defensively in their own zone - and deficient when trying to control the play in the o-zone.

One other thing about last nite’s game (and ill throw in the Winnipeg game too) - fairly typical of the season, I think:

The 5 goals that the Rags scored 5x5 were all on zone-time plays - not on the rush - the Hawks weren’t getting beat back and NY wasn’t getting odd-man breaks - they were creating in-close slot one-on-nones off of the cycle or low-to-slot from behind the goal line. Rangers were getting wide opens with all 10 skaters in the Hawk zone.

All three Jets goals Sunday were on shots from the point with two Jets at the net - all tip ins (one by AdB).

All three Hawk goals last nite were on rushes, IIRC.

Hawks are bad defensively in their own zone - and deficient when trying to control the play in the o-zone.
- StLBravesFan

The longer the Hawks are in their own zone the worse it gets. The guys are gassed after 30 secs b/c the system has them constantly chasing the puck.

As far as people discussing Dach in the NHL/JRs. He has continued to develop as the year progresses. Not sure what he would have accomplished going back to JRs. He has never been a big time goal scorer. He needs to learn how to use his big frame playing against men. You can already see he has started to adjust. He is taking less big hits, bracing himself for contact and playing through it, and also laying some hits now (reverse ones too).

Toews wasn't puck watching he was having a beer with Cagguila.
- rpeters01

A beer ......must have been an Old Style. This beer befitting a common occurrence this season. Which is.....as the veterans get OLDer they sure know how to loose in a STYLE statement.

3/4 of the way thru another disappointing season, I think we can rely on the stats as being representative - defensive stats, 5x5, from Natural Statrick:

SOG against - 31st in league. SF % - 30th
SC against - 31st. SCF% - 28th
High Danger Chances Against - 30th. HDC% - 29th
HDGA - 28th. HDGF% - 24th

Almost all in the bottom 5 in the league - a couple at the very bottom....obviously, goaltending kept them in the hunt - and now that the goalies have regressed a bit....

After a season and a half, the young coach has not shown any ability in getting his charges to focus on defense and play responsibly. Last nite, as bad as Lehner’s comments were, he wasn’t wrong - inability to clear, inability to keep opponents from being one-on-one at the goal - is it yet time to say that Colliton isn’t ready for the Show - and isn’t showing that he will be any time soon?

As flawed as the on-ice personnel is (are?j, they should be better - there are enough veterans out there that you can’t blame it all on “mistakes of youth” - some of this is on the core that should be better at leading these guys out of the wilderness. A couple of weeks ago, after beating Arizona in a shootout on the road, they were in the thick of it - time for team leaders to be team leaders - but 1-5-2=4 points out of 16 against teams they were competing with for a post season spot.

Perhaps there is a future with good young players on Chicago - and in the pipeline - but the current team should be better - the current team should not have collapsed as they have.

Maybe it’s time to say if Colliton can’t get more out of this squad, perhaps he’s not the guy going forward. After 1 1/2 seasons worth of games, these guys should be better than being at the very bottom of the league defensively.
- StLBravesFan

It was the key question heading into this season - can the Hawks improve upon a league-worst defensive effort? On paper they had Keith, Murphy, Maatta, De Haan, and Seabrook as their top five - and I thought this was enough to rise them up to “average.”. While the injuries have had an impact, especially De Haan, system-wise we still see too many deficiencies and breakdowns - and that’s on the coaching staff.

I’ll admit - I bought into the offseason moves and “full training camp” hope - that this was a team capable of making the playoffs as a wildcard. I know this is a flawed roster - but I still have a sense of underachievement as this season has progressed.

A beer ......must have been an Old Style. This beer befitting a common occurrence this season. Which is.....as the veterans get OLDer they sure know how to loose in a STYLE statement.
- jhawk59

19 and 91 were both in front of the net but behind the Ranger watching him score, Toews on the left, Caggs on the right of Lehner.