No, you didn't forget him.
- jmatchett383

Nice

Would think Colorado has to make some moves. Should get Pageau
- jchst22

What does this have to do with the Pens?

Two 2nds for Martinez is a big overpay right?

Two 2nds for Martinez is a big overpay right?
- burgh4life87

Yes and while Vegas has built a contender out of the gate their asset management is piss poor.

I don't know that Vatanen is worth two 2nds and he's far and above Martinez.

EDIT: I forgot he has one more year of term, so it's not necessarily a BIG overpayment, but an overpayment none-the-less when you consider LA doesn't have to take any salary back.

What does this have to do with the Pens?
- Rinosaur

They will obviously meet in the cup final

Personally I'd only go for a rental if the cost was low-ish; 3rd + Prospect or maybe a 2nd if it's a serious impact player. I would prefer JR tries his best to make a trade for a player with term. If they realistically had a shot at Tatar, Palmieri or possibly Saad I'd be be fine with them giving away a 1st and change.

That being said, that Ranger deal would be more than I'd hope to give up for a rental, but it does solve a lot of issues and I'd much rather give up Hallander than Poulin or Legare.
- Rinosaur

Yeah true, I completely forgot he was a ufa.

Yes and while Vegas has built a contender out of the gate their asset management is piss poor.

I don't know that Vatanen is worth two 2nds and he's far and above Martinez.

EDIT: I forgot he has one more year of term, so it's not necessarily a BIG overpayment, but an overpayment none-the-less when you consider LA doesn't have to take any salary back.
- Rinosaur

What does this have to do with the pens?

What does this have to do with the pens?
- jchst22

Setting a benchmark for if the Pens decide to pursue a defenseman.

Chris Johnston
@reporterchris
The current market price for defencemen:

Greene (pending UFA) -- 2021 2nd, prospect
DeMelo (pending UFA) -- 2020 3rd
Dillon (pending UFA) -- 2020 2nd, conditional 2021 3rd
Scandella (pending UFA) -- 2020 2nd, conditional 2021 4th
Martinez (signed thru 2021) -- 2020 2nd, 2021 2nd

Pricey market for dmen. Unless it looks like Dumoulin isn't' coming back until late March early April, the Pens would be wise to stay out of the market. Do the smart thing like put either Pettersson or Riikola with Letang.

Two 2nds for Martinez is a big overpay right?
- burgh4life87

Yes. He’s replacement level at best. But hey he scored a cup winning goal 5 years ago or whatever.

Pricey market for dmen. Unless it looks like Dumoulin isn't' coming back until late March early April, the Pens would be wise to stay out of the market. Do the smart thing like put either Pettersson or Riikola with Letang.
- Rinosaur

Looks like Detroit can actually get something for Daley.

Yes and while Vegas has built a contender out of the gate their asset management is piss poor.

I don't know that Vatanen is worth two 2nds and he's far and above Martinez.

EDIT: I forgot he has one more year of term, so it's not necessarily a BIG overpayment, but an overpayment none-the-less when you consider LA doesn't have to take any salary back.
- Rinosaur

Vegas asset management has been hysterical.

Yes and while Vegas has built a contender out of the gate their asset management is piss poor.

I don't know that Vatanen is worth two 2nds and he's far and above Martinez.

EDIT: I forgot he has one more year of term, so it's not necessarily a BIG overpayment, but an overpayment none-the-less when you consider LA doesn't have to take any salary back.
- Rinosaur

This, plus he is super average.

Vegas asset management has been hysterical.
- Feds91Stammer

It really is. They are going to hit the wall in a major way in about two more season and be left with next to nothing special in the cupboard.

Yes and while Vegas has built a contender out of the gate their asset management is piss poor.

I don't know that Vatanen is worth two 2nds and he's far and above Martinez.

EDIT: I forgot he has one more year of term, so it's not necessarily a BIG overpayment, but an overpayment none-the-less when you consider LA doesn't have to take any salary back.
- Rinosaur

I think they were better off going after any other previous dman, but they still have Pitts 2nd rounder this draft and 2 2nd rounders next year still so it’s not like they gave up all their picks or anything.

Oh I know it did. I'm super confused too
- burgh4life87

According to Sullivan, a couple of the D are nicked up and they felt they needed to travel with an extra D as a precaution.

I think Schultz is going to have a smaller cap hit next year wherever he ends up...and I cant see him getting much term after the last few seasons either. 2 years @ 4 mill per or around there is my best guess. Am I out to lunch to think this?

Your thoughts?
- MattStrat

I think he should get a prove it contract, but his reputation around the league seems higher than it should be and teams are always looking for RH PMDs. So I could see him getting squeezed, but my guess is someone will give him a bad contract.

Maybe. Pietrangelo, Barrie and Vatanen are the only UFA's worth a damn this summer so who knows. Edit - I forgot Shattenkirk.
- burgh4life87

Krug. I wonder what Barrie's value is now. Technically Muzzin though he should get signed. I feel like Gudas will get a crazy deal.

Wait, is this just RHD?

DeMelo is the best bang for buck RD UFA IMO.
- Feds91Stammer

That sounds like a good call. That he only got a 3rd means he's still undervalued. Might be a good fit for Pens 3rd pair next year.

I think they were better off going after any other previous dman, but they still have Pitts 2nd rounder this draft and 2 2nd rounders next year still so it’s not like they gave up all their picks or anything.
- 10inchTerror

That's not the point. Vegas can totally have the same mindset as teams like the Penguins and sell off big assets, but they make poor decisions when doing so.

Example (Feds will love this):

TO DET: 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick.
TO VEG: Tomas Tatar

They give Tatar all but half of a season and then move him. Tatar was I think 26 or 27 at the time, and his caps is/was $4.8M. So a youngish awesome winger to a very cap-friendly (no pun) hit.

Same season:

TO MTL: Thomas Tatar, Nick Suzuki and a 2nd
TO VEG: Max Pacioretty

Are you kidding me? Yes, Pac is a good player, but was two years older than Tatar and they pay $7 (frank)ing million to put up similar numbers and oh yeah, he's two years older.

Nick (frank)ing Suzuki who's killing it right now and a 2nd round pick.

So basically they could have spent $2M less Tatar and Suzuki (young future star) collectively and got double the production and are paying $7M to a player on the wrong side of his career.

Vegas makes bad decisions with their futures. A trade like that is what puts them in danger a few years from now and why those 2nd round picks are so valuable.

Basically Vegas gave up Suzuki, a 1st, two 2nds and a 3rd for Max Pacioretty. They could have been in a much better position to stay competitive for longer.

That's not the point. Vegas can totally have the same mindset as teams like the Penguins and sell off big assets, but they make poor decisions when doing so.

Example (Feds will love this):

TO DET: 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick.
TO VEG: Tomas Tatar

They give Tatar all but half of a season and then move him. Tatar was I think 26 or 27 at the time, and his caps is/was $4.8M. So a youngish awesome winger to a very cap-friendly (no pun) hit.

Same season:

TO MTL: Thomas Tatar, Nick Suzuki and a 2nd
TO VEG: Max Pacioretty

Are you kidding me? Yes, Pac is a good player, but was two years older than Tatar and they pay $7 (frank)ing million to put up similar numbers and oh yeah, he's two years older.

Nick (frank)ing Suzuki who's killing it right now and a 2nd round pick.

So basically they could have spent $2M less Tatar and Suzuki (young future star) collectively and got double the production and are paying $7M to a player on the wrong side of his career.

Vegas makes bad decisions with their futures. A trade like that is what puts them in danger a few years from now and why those 2nd round picks are so valuable.

Basically Vegas gave up Suzuki, a 1st, two 2nds and a 3rd for Max Pacioretty. They could have been in a much better position to stay competitive for longer.
- Rinosaur

Don’t forget they are paying a small portion of Tatar’s salary too lol. I agree they are burning up their assets while they have an abundance. I don’t think the Martinez one is particularly terrible though. Basically next year they are going to have to operate like a normal team does, so hopefully mccrimmon is ready for when they can’t just burn up extra draft stock to get what they want.

We are better off keeping Schultz for a cup run. D-man are crazy expensive right now.

Well straight from the horses mouth... depth forward.

That scares me honestly. I think ideally we get another RH middle six wing and allow the depth to get pushed down the roster. If we can't get that, then just stand pat.

Saying 'depth forward' has me thinking we will waste an asset on a veteran guy who shouldnt be in the lineup when everyone is healthy... like Trevor Lewis or Glendening or someone.

Well straight from the horses mouth... depth forward.

That scares me honestly. I think ideally we get another RH middle six wing and allow the depth to get pushed down the roster. If we can't get that, then just stand pat.

Saying 'depth forward' has me thinking we will waste an asset on a veteran guy who shouldnt be in the lineup when everyone is healthy... like Trevor Lewis or Glendening or someone.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I missed something. When did JR say that?

Well straight from the horses mouth... depth forward.

That scares me honestly. I think ideally we get another RH middle six wing and allow the depth to get pushed down the roster. If we can't get that, then just stand pat.

Saying 'depth forward' has me thinking we will waste an asset on a veteran guy who shouldnt be in the lineup when everyone is healthy... like Trevor Lewis or Glendening or someone.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

He might wanna get some sandpaper and this is kind of scary. I’ll be a happy camper with Granlund.