Goal 1-4: Not his fault.

Goal 5: His fault.

But yeah, completely absolved from any blame.
- JohnFergusonJr

The Leafs didn't bother to show up against Buffalo, but Andersen probably saved several goals that would have made the score worse, but he also is probably capable of stopping at least 2 of the ones that got by him.

Goaltending is a tough gig.

We got rid of Felix Potvin for allowing a soft goal a game - even if they weren't really costing us that many games.

LOL. Every one of Tavares, Matthews, Marner, are better players, and less one dimensional than Kessel. 2 of them are also centres.

But I get what he is trying to say.

(at least it's not 4 "ODogs". that would be a disaster).
- prock

"Less one-dimensional"....😂

A backhanded compliment if I ever heard one...

Probably the team MVP 4 years in a row but leave it to Leafs fans to ignore bad coaching, bad defense, injuries on defense and lazy forwards so they can blame the goalie. Love blaming goalies in Tarana.
- JohnFergusonJr

I’m not even calling him the MVP, but he’s certainly good enough to take an average team to the playoffs...leafs aren’t playing average right now...all the injuries are not helping.

Tremendous d-zone coverage. All Andersen's fault.




- floater_willy

The D are covering them with their eyes

Completely absolved.
- Steven_Seagull

Completely missing the point, as usual.

I’m not even calling him the MVP, but he’s certainly good enough to take an average team to the playoffs...leafs aren’t playing average right now...all the injuries are not helping.
- Garnie

Considering how little attention this team pays to defense and how many games we've seen him steal, he's the defending team MVP.

But it's easy to prove he's a top 10 goalie the past 5 years.

There's a lot of problems with this team right now. Goaltending is very low on that list.

I'd have Pierre slotted on JT's wing ...Kerfoot is not an ideal 3C but he was more productive playing there earlier in the year then he has been playing top 6 wing. Kerfoot between Kappy and Clifford ..and tell them to skate and hit.
- The Law

Engvall should be on Tavares wing at this point... it should be pretty obvious that something needs to change to infuse some life in the top 6.

I would guess that Kerfoot doesn't get the 3rd line center spot back... that could be given to Spezza now without too much concern, run Kerfoot on his wing with Kapanen on the other side - or use Kerfoot as trade bait.

leaves the Goat, Clifford and Timashov as the fourth line options - plus the plethora of superstars now on the Marlies ;

The D are covering them with their eyes
- Garnie

I never realized that covering a guy by looking at him - was a thing

that's hilarious... I guess that's what happens when you play video games

Yep, he needs to make a quick pass and get the (frank) back in his net...I think it was 1st game or 2 when he 1st got here I said it...someone disagreed about that too...go figure. Hard to win in here....
- Garnie

marner should have cut his shift down from 2 mintues to a minute thirty. he was gassed and didn't realize the penalty was almost over.

a fresh dman would have been more aware and better positioned to help freddy out; before the turnover ever happens.

marner should have cut his shift down from 2 mintues to a minute thirty. he was gassed and didn't realize the penalty was almost over.

a fresh dman would have been more aware and better positioned to help freddy out; before the turnover ever happens.
- Tumbleweed

Can’t let Freddie off the hook for every goal

Can’t let Freddie off the hook for every goal
- Garnie

he should have made 2 more saves.

but that goal was on marner. freddy had no outlet. that puck was moving too slow. it was a dman's puck to pick up.

maybe the other 2 knuckleheads that got beat down the ice are too blame too.

https://www.nhl.com/video...lay/t-313078186/c-5265496

Can’t let Freddie off the hook for every goal
- Garnie

Freddy gets let off the hook by everyone.

Completely absolved.
- Steven_Seagull

Hutchinson .886 over 15 games ... national crisis, worst goalie ever, reason we aren't in first.

Ander5en .880 over 13 games ... he's fine. It's the team's fault.

Good NHL goalies sometimes make difficult saves. Sometimes they make tremendous saves look easy because they anticipate the play. Saying a goalie isn't to blame, is not the same as saying the goalie is playing well, or even average.

it's funny to go back to the hockeybuzz draft thread on here - and see the 'leafs hockey experts' laughing about vancouver drafting petterson ('what is he, 14y old?')
- plantheparade

In fairness Leaf fans asked if Nylander was a girl when he was drafted.

Leaf goaltending is 31st in the new year. It's a major problem.
This is big for Andersen. He is entering his last year. No way Leafs give him a big deal with the NHl trending towards a 1A and 1B goalie system.

Hutchinson .886 over 15 games ... national crisis, worst goalie ever, reason we aren't in first.

Ander5en .880 over 13 games ... he's fine. It's the team's fault.

Good NHL goalies sometimes make difficult saves. Sometimes they make tremendous saves look easy because they anticipate the play. Saying a goalie isn't to blame, is not the same as saying the goalie is playing well, or even average.
- Aetherial

It's as if you've never seen either goalie play.

Hutchinson is a career back-up / AHLer and overall bad goalie. His bad numbers are because he can't make simple saves against bad teams.

Andersen has been a solid, consistent, top 10 goalie with a .917 SV% (7th best) over the past 5 years despite playing on a defensively inept team, facing the most shots in the NHL and playing the 4th most games.

Andersen makes difficult saves all the time. What he can't make is impossible saves, like he would have had to make last night to keep the game close. Any goalie in the world allows those first 4 goals. That's not on Andersen.

Leaf goaltending is 31st in the new year. It's a major problem.
This is big for Andersen. He is entering his last year. No way Leafs give him a big deal with the NHl trending towards a 1A and 1B goalie system.
- RogerRoeper

Defense is the major problem coupled with a coach that refuses to employ a style of hockey that plays defensively to the exponent injuries.

The D are covering them with their eyes
- Garnie

The Leafs d doesn't even know there is a front of their net.

It's as if you've never seen either goalie play.

Hutchinson is a career back-up / AHLer and overall bad goalie. His bad numbers are because he can't make simple saves against bad teams.

Andersen has been a solid, consistent, top 10 goalie with a .917 SV% (7th best) over the past 5 years despite playing on a defensively inept team, facing the most shots in the NHL and playing the 4th most games.

Andersen makes difficult saves all the time. What he can't make is impossible saves, like he would have had to make last night to keep the game close. Any goalie in the world allows those first 4 goals. That's not on Andersen.
- JohnFergusonJr

I love how you go from numbers to unsubstantiated opinion once the numbers show how stupid your argument is.

a couple other things.

What Andersen did over the last 5 years has NO MEANING WHATSOEVER when discussing how he is playing now. So, who the (frank) cares. Stick to the subject.

Remember that thing about 2020... 13 games .... worst sv% in the league. Well, those inconvenient truths go way beyond you explaining how everything was "impossible" for him to save last night.

As usual, you are sticking to meaningless arguments when you have zero legit arguments against the fact that he is playing like crap for close to 2 months now.

I love how you go from numbers to unsubstantiated opinion once the numbers show how stupid your argument is.

a couple other things.

What Andersen did over the last 5 years has NO MEANING WHATSOEVER when discussing how he is playing now. So, who the (frank) cares. Stick to the subject.

Remember that thing about 2020... 13 games .... worst sv% in the league. Well, those inconvenient truths go way beyond you explaining how everything was "impossible" for him to save last night.

As usual, you are sticking to meaningless arguments when you have zero legit arguments against the fact that he is playing like crap for close to 2 months now.
- Aetherial

I love how you try to equate Andersen to goalies like Hutchinson or Bernier as if nobody here watches them play and can't easily tell the difference.

What Andersen did the past 5 years does matter because it shows how he is the consistent goalie and the team in front of him is what has gone to poop between injuries, bad defense, bad coaching and lazy players.

Wrong again. Goals 1-4 last night were not on Andersen and yet people like you will sit there and pretend like they were by pointing at his SV%. Watch the games, see the reason why those goals are going in and realize it's more often than not on the players in front of Andersen, not Andersen.

Typical Toronto. Team starts to suck, scapegoat the goalie.

it's funny to go back to the hockeybuzz draft thread on here - and see the 'leafs hockey experts' laughing about vancouver drafting petterson ('what is he, 14y old?')
- plantheparade

Its not like the vancouver thresds said much different about marner.

Its not like the vancouver thresds said much different about marner.
- prock

I had Canuck fans tell me Marner was so small he wouldn't last a year in the NHL and laughed at him.

I love how you try to equate Andersen to goalies like Hutchinson or Bernier as if nobody here watches them play and can't easily tell the difference.

What Andersen did the past 5 years does matter because it shows how he is the consistent goalie and the team in front of him is what has gone to poop between injuries, bad defense, bad coaching and lazy players.

Wrong again. Goals 1-4 last night were not on Andersen and yet people like you will sit there and pretend like they were by pointing at his SV%. Watch the games, see the reason why those goals are going in and realize it's more often than not on the players in front of Andersen, not Andersen.

Typical Toronto. Team starts to suck, scapegoat the goalie.
- JohnFergusonJr

Have you been following the Leafs the past 20 years? Goalies in Toronto get the most credit credit.

Defense is the major problem coupled with a coach that refuses to employ a style of hockey that plays defensively to the exponent injuries.
- JohnFergusonJr

That coach is getting better results than Babcock did with the same teams.