Marchment wasn't going to get a NHL defenseman in return. Just like he didn't really get an NHL forward in return.

Leafs/Marlies just got a guy who's above Nic Petan on the depth chart - nothing more - nothing less.

This deal is a nothing burger - remember Lindholm for Petan? Petan's playing for the Marlies. Lindholm is playing for the Bruins.

'nuff said.
- BorjeFan4Ever

Lindholm has played in as many games this season as Malgin.

I care about that Lindholm trade as much as this Malgin trade. Not a (frank) given.

.500 team? Jeez. They've just magically played at a 100+ point pace for almost the entirety of 3 years now, and they're just a 500 team eh? that's a bottom 10 team.....

I think you're a troll. Not a particularly smart one either. most of what I've seen you post seems to fit that, and your name sure makes it seem that way too.
- prock

take off your glove before you slap him prock

Listning to Lebrun debate with Button. Lebrun saying the Leafs are still young, are they really? And comparing them to Washington.
Button says let's see them win a Presidents trophy or win round in the playoffs before we start comparing them to Washington. Oh snap!
- aminnes

Washington really did squat in the playoffs until 2 years ago when Ovechkin was 32.

.500 team? Jeez. They've just magically played at a 100+ point pace for almost the entirety of 3 years now, and they're just a 500 team eh? that's a bottom 10 team.....

I think you're a troll. Not a particularly smart one either. most of what I've seen you post seems to fit that, and your name sure makes it seem that way too.
- prock

did you not read 'the way dubas built them' part?

I get the impression sometimes they think you or I could play top 6 minutes on tavares' back. So anythings possible.
- joel878

Lol

my issue is more that the 104 is already quite a bit down (obviously) from the 112-120 'points paces' some babcock haters were highlighting so much the last couple of weeks.
if leafs lose vs pens next game, it's 101 point pace, etc. etc.

keefe's points totals are mainly because of the easy nov/dec schedule in my opinion; leafs are just a .500 team the way dubas has built them.
- plantheparade

What is your explanation for all the injuries and horrific goaltending? "Easy Schedule" is your answer?

did you not read 'the way dubas built them' part?
- plantheparade

The "You need Grit" to win argument is stupid. First players the Blues dumped after the win was "Gritty" players.

what defenseman will Malgin get you?
- BorjeFan4Ever

So you start your argument by saying Dubas is wasting his time by getting Malgin and not a defenseman. The counter is brought up that Marchment is not exactly currency in any reasonable defenseman trade, and that this is likely an unrelated depth move to provide depth with our injured wingers, and the fact that our bottom-6 have sucked ass of late.

So you counter this statement by noting that Malgin isn't going to fetch defensive help?

You're arguing with your own point and ignoring the context.

There are no happy Leaf fans right now - except Max because whenever they lose 2 or 3 in a row, it lets him go on about how awful Dubas is - but this line of arguing is irrelevant.

4 regulation wins in last 14 is it? extrapolate that
- drexel

Why does that matter?

Two points is two points.

No OT wins have been against teams competing with the Leafs for a playoff spot.

Washington really did squat in the playoffs until 2 years ago when Ovechkin was 32.
- RogerRoeper

Oh ya. But they made them. They finished 1st in their div and finished 1st overall. Then they would lose to the Pens. Kinda like the Raptors always losing to Lebron. This Leafs team hasn't accomplished whatWashington was doing yearly so it is kind of a dumb comparison.

Listning to Lebrun debate with Button. Lebrun saying the Leafs are still young, are they really? And comparing them to Washington.
Button says let's see them win a Presidents trophy or win round in the playoffs before we start comparing them to Washington. Oh snap!
- aminnes

Yes, they're still pretty young. And yes, there are some similarities to Washington. High powered offense, defensively weak. That's a pretty good description of Toronto right now, and Washington back then.

Washington matured, and quite frankly, realized they needed to play a tighter defensive game to win, and that's what they did, Ovechkin included. Credit to them. Then they got Trotz and having Trotz run your team D is quite a nice little bump.

I'd love to see Toronto come to the realization that they need tighter team D. A lot of teams have won on a basis of stingy team D combined with some guys that will score regardless of how defensive they're playing.

Remember Washington was criticized for being second round chokes too.

So you start your argument by saying Dubas is wasting his time by getting Malgin and not a defenseman. The counter is brought up that Marchment is not exactly currency in any reasonable defenseman trade, and that this is likely an unrelated depth move to provide depth with our injured wingers, and the fact that our bottom-6 have sucked ass of late.

So you counter this statement by noting that Malgin isn't going to fetch defensive help?

You're arguing with your own point and ignoring the context.

There are no happy Leaf fans right now - except Max because whenever they lose 2 or 3 in a row, it lets him go on about how awful Dubas is - but this line of arguing is irrelevant.
- Monkeypunk

This is the same guy that says every day that Dubas signing Petan is hurting this team.

700K. Helping the Marlies out. But apparently it was a horrible deal and Dubas gave up the moon for him.

Why does that matter?

Two points is two points.

No OT wins have been against teams competing with the Leafs for a playoff spot.
- Atomic Wedgie

I would say it matters because when you get to the playoffs, no such thing as shootouts and 3 on 3 OT. Basically, if a team is climbing the standings on shootout wins, it's a part of what got them there, that they can no longer use, come playoff time.

It's not a huge factor, but I've always considered it a bad sign if you're racking up points in OT or shootout. Especially shootout.

4 regulation wins in last 14 is it? extrapolate that
- drexel

extrapolate what the digits for S H I T on the phone keypad?

The Leafs have allowed as many goals a Ottawa.
- aminnes

Spatso2.0

LeBrun says GMs are saying Dubas is very busy.

Has a RHD that management thinks will fit with this group and it’s all about pulling the trigger. Might have to wait until offseason if the cap doesn’t work out.

Why does that matter?

Two points is two points.

No OT wins have been against teams competing with the Leafs for a playoff spot.
- Atomic Wedgie

means they are exactly where they belong in the standings..

Kings got a 2020 2nd round pick and a 2021 2nd round pick for Martinez.

Good trade for the Kings.

Oh ya. But they made them. They finished 1st in their div and finished 1st overall. Then they would lose to the Pens. Kinda like the Raptors always losing to Lebron. This Leafs team hasn't accomplished whatWashington was doing yearly so it is kind of a dumb comparison.
- aminnes

Not really, because if the Leafs were winning their division and getting bounced in the playoffs, there will still be yahoos that wouldn't change their song and dance one bit.

You're glomming on to this comment by Button because it fits how you feel. That doesn't make it accurate or correct.

The fact is that the Leafs are not playing well. They may not be capable of playing well enough.

I do know that when they were healthy they sure looked good. Then they lost their top defenseman, and 2 top 9 wingers, and even lost their #2 D guy for a couple of weeks, and were without their goalie for a week or so, had a flu bug take out a few of their top 6 guys - all in the last 4-5 weeks.

So is the sky falling? Maybe. Or maybe in a hard cap system where a team that only really started a proper rebuild 5 years ago doesn't have the combination of team maturity and farm depth that some other teams have, and it will take time to build it up.

Not really, because if the Leafs were winning their division and getting bounced in the playoffs, there will still be yahoos that wouldn't change their song and dance one bit.

You're glomming on to this comment by Button because it fits how you feel. That doesn't make it accurate or correct.

The fact is that the Leafs are not playing well. They may not be capable of playing well enough.

I do know that when they were healthy they sure looked good. Then they lost their top defenseman, and 2 top 9 wingers, and even lost their #2 D guy for a couple of weeks, and were without their goalie for a week or so, had a flu bug take out a few of their top 6 guys - all in the last 4-5 weeks.

So is the sky falling? Maybe. Or maybe in a hard cap system where a team that only really started a proper rebuild 5 years ago doesn't have the combination of team maturity and farm depth that some other teams have, and it will take time to build it up.
- Monkeypunk

They aren't at a level to be compared to Washington. If they were wining their div and losing in the first round they would be.

As as far as the sky is falling, your responding to the guy who was called an idiot before the season for saying the Leafs are a wildcard team, so no, this is not something new to me or a sky is falling scenario. It was all very, very predictable.

Kings got a 2020 2nd round pick and a 2021 2nd round pick for Martinez.

Good trade for the Kings.
- LeafGuy89

somehow Pee-air Dorion only got a 3rd for the best D traded in the last 2 days

They aren't at a level to be compared to Washington. If they were wining their div and losing in the first round they would be.

As as far as the sky is falling, your responding to the guy who was called an idiot before the season for saying the Leafs are a wildcard team, so no, this is not something new to me or a sky is falling scenario. It was all very, very predictable.
- aminnes

are they still a wildcard team if they finish 3rd in the div?

Andersen tomorrow night?

Are we tanking now?
- PatC80

Just playing our starter.
Hopefully the leafs actually play D and dont hang him out to dry.
Andersen played great last night.
Team facked him.

somehow Pee-air Dorion only got a 3rd for the best D traded in the last 2 days
- senstroll

Right?! He couldn't hang on to get a little more?

Andersen struggled in the playoffs when he was handed a "bigger workload."
Andersen struggles when he's given rest and time off..

I'm starting to think maybe Andersen isn't as good as we had hoped for at the start of this season.
- PatC80

Hes the reason they made the playoffs the past two years.
Happy that its popular to hate freddy right now, but lets not get carried away
He hasnt stood on his head to save this team in the past two months. It happens.