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DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Feb 19 @ 12:15 AM ET
Look....we don’t need to poop all over Madden because Benning traded him, in the redraft sites he’s moved up to a late first, which speaks to Brackett’s drafting brilliance. The kid is small but he’s a legit good prospect, albeit a long shot imo, he’s a good young prospect.
- Pacificgem


He's also spare parts, albeit better spare parts than we've had in a while, let's not make him out any more than he is. Redrafts mean nothing when so many factors go into how a player ends up. He may be a late 1st now in a redraft, but he might regress in LA and drop to a low end 4th.

He's a prospect with upside, but he's also small for an NHL C, and is not tearing it up in the NCAA in his +1 draft year. He's not jumping over Petey, Bo and Gaudette and if he makes it to the dance, it's probably as a winger and we have a glut of wing prospects that'll be in the lineup before him.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Swedish4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Feb 19 @ 12:17 AM ET
He's also spare parts, albeit better spare parts than we've had in a while, let's not make him out any more than he is. Redrafts mean nothing when so many factors go into how a player ends up. He may be a late 1st now in a redraft, but he might regress in LA and drop to a low end 4th.

He's a prospect with upside, but he's also small for an NHL C, and is not tearing it up in the NCAA in his +1 draft year. He's not jumping over Petey, Bo and Gaudette and if he makes it to the dance, it's probably as a winger and we have a glut of wing prospects that'll be in the lineup before him.

- DariusKnight

The beauty of having a solid prospect pool is it gives you the flexibility to do these things
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Feb 19 @ 12:19 AM ET
Look....we don’t need to poop all over Madden because Benning traded him, in the redraft sites he’s moved up to a late first, which speaks to Brackett’s drafting brilliance. The kid is small but he’s a legit good prospect, albeit a long shot imo, he’s a good young prospect.
- Pacificgem

Not sure anyone is poopting all over Madden, my comments are he is an NCAA good player that has a long way to go, good player possible NHL talent in 3+ years.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Swedish4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Feb 19 @ 12:23 AM ET
Not sure anyone is poopting all over Madden, my comments are he is an NCAA good player that has a long way to go, good player possible NHL talent in 3+ years.
- Makita

How about those Flyers, they just keep winning. Giroux with 11 points in his last six games since switching back to the wing #playoffs
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 19 @ 12:27 AM ET
Not sure anyone is poopting all over Madden, my comments are he is an NCAA good player that has a long way to go, good player possible NHL talent in 3+ years.
- Makita



He is decent. Like most other things here and on social media you get a bunch of people that haven't seen him play a full game driving up the hype. Soon as any player gets a little recognition we turn him into a superstar.

There is nothing special about his game he is not a star player. He is a decent to good college player.

Getting a player like Toffoli for Madden and a second is a steal.
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Feb 19 @ 12:33 AM ET
How about those Flyers, they just keep winning. Giroux with 11 points in his last six games since switching back to the wing #playoffs
- Pacificgem

Not too bad, best thing they could have done is get rid of Hextall, hire a really good coach, next thing you know a mediocre team responds positively.

Now if Benning hires a decent coach, with this talented team just think of the possibilities
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Swedish4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Feb 19 @ 12:38 AM ET
He is decent. Like most other things here and on social media you get a bunch of people that haven't seen him play a full game driving up the hype. Soon as any player gets a little recognition we turn him into a superstar.

There is nothing special about his game he is not a star player. He is a decent to good college player.

Getting a player like Toffoli for Madden and a second is a steal.

- VANTEL

You’re so clueless it’s almost as painful as talking to poophawk. Madden is a star NCAA player, he’s 4th in the entire Div I for scoring and he’s 5th in PPG for the entire NCAA with 1.37 PPG. There’s 60 teams in Division I NCAA hockey.

He’s a great college player, that doesn’t mean he’ll be a good NHL’er but he’s sure as hell a great college player this year. If you’ve watched him play you’d know he’s a great young college player.
Bettmanhatesus
Joined: 08.10.2016

Feb 19 @ 12:39 AM ET
The cap situation is still a mess, there’s a ton of bad contracts on the books. Just because you’re compliant on day one doesn’t mean you don’t have issues, their flexibility is nonexistent.

But I agree, they need to take a step forward, although I’d be surprised if they win a round, just being there is important. I never would’ve guessed it at the beginning of the year, but then I saw Miller put this team on his back.

- Pacificgem

There are no cap issues.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Swedish4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Feb 19 @ 12:40 AM ET
Not too bad, best thing they could have done is get rid of Hextall, hire a really good coach, next thing you know a mediocre team responds positively.

Now if Benning hires a decent coach, with this talented team just think of the possibilities

- Makita

I can’t believe Hexy stuck with Hakstol, having AV behind the bench has made a huge difference.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 19 @ 12:42 AM ET
You’re so clueless it’s almost as painful as talking to poophawk. Madden is a star NCAA player, he’s 4th in the entire Div I for scoring and he’s 5th in PPG for the entire NCAA with 1.37 PPG. There’s 60 teams in Division I NCAA hockey.

He’s a great college player, that doesn’t mean he’ll be a good NHL’er but he’s sure as hell a great college player this year. If you’ve watched him play you’d know he’s a great young college player.

- Pacificgem

How many games did you watch him play stud? I bet the the answer is zero

For a loudmouth bragging about a lot of things you really know very little.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Swedish4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Feb 19 @ 12:44 AM ET
How many games did you watch him play stud? I bet the the answer is zero

For a loudmouth bragging about a lot of things you really know very little.

- VANTEL

I’ve watched six of his games, you make Tanner look smart you’re so dumb
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 19 @ 12:48 AM ET
I’ve watched six of his games, you make Tanner look smart you’re so dumb
- Pacificgem

I think you a full of sh1t pal . You don't watch amateur hockey at all. I asked you last year about what you liked about prospects and you couldn't tell me one thing.

Go gey Lefty he doesn't bullsh1t as much as you do.

CoolerHeads
Joined: 07.04.2015

Feb 19 @ 1:13 AM ET
Playoffs or not, Benning isn’t going anywhere this summer.

Team will have a lot more cap flexibility than many think. I expect Loui will be gone after his signing bonus is paid out (Bogosian style if needed). If TT does well, quite likely he re-signs and players such a Jake and Stecher are used to recoup draft picks at the draft (unless they agree to reasonable RFA deals). Sutter is movable with one year left and players such as Leivo/MacEwen can fill out the bottom six. Ferland is likely done.

Key focus is signing Marky and TT (if he fits). Petey should be extended next given chance of an offer sheet in 2021 summer. Hughes is safe given no arb rights and is not offer sheet eligible.

Miller Petey TT ($16MM incl bonus)
Pearson Bo Boeser ($15.25MM)
Rous Gaud Leivo ($7MM)
Motte Beagle MacEwen ($5.25MM)
($43.50MM)

Hughes Tanev ($7.50MM incl bonus)
Elder Rafferty/Juolevi ($7.25MM)
Benn Myers ($8MM)
XX ($1MM)
($23.75MM)

Marky ($6.25MM)
Demko ($1.05MM)
($7.3MM)

Line-up Total = $74.55

Other = $6.4MM
CoolerHeads
Joined: 07.04.2015

Feb 19 @ 1:20 AM ET
Look....we don’t need to poop all over Madden because Benning traded him, in the redraft sites he’s moved up to a late first, which speaks to Brackett’s drafting brilliance. The kid is small but he’s a legit good prospect, albeit a long shot imo, he’s a good young prospect.
- Pacificgem


You mean thanks to Benning for putting Brackett in place and establishing a clear criteria for the scouts to utilize when evaluating prospects. Benning forever! Over the top? OK, over the top
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Feb 19 @ 1:23 AM ET
I beg your pardon? There's nothing bad about my exaggerations.
- bloatedmosquito


I didn’t say they in themselves were “bad” only that they were hyperbole.
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Feb 19 @ 1:24 AM ET
great trade!
JB has been hitting it out of the park the last year or so
Is there a GM who has done as well this year?

JB for GM of the year
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Feb 19 @ 1:26 AM ET
So if Canucks miss the playoffs by a point Jim is out of here .

It is great to have ownership base 6 years of work on a single game


I could see if they were not even close but I think this don't make the playoffs and your out pure horsesh1t.

- VANTEL


Agree, both Benning and Green will be back next year unless one of them gets caught with a hooker in their hotel room
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Feb 19 @ 1:26 AM ET
No kidding, what is with these stupid lineups....Toffoli and Pearson have past chemistry, and Bo needs Erikssonoff his line but Green is such a poophead he does the opposite.
- Makita

Think big picture Mackey. Can the 3rd line function without virtanen? No. Can Loui play defence? Yes
Bettmanhatesus
Joined: 08.10.2016

Feb 19 @ 1:28 AM ET
Porn star del Zotto to the oilers rumour lmao.
onesmallleap
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Be Calm n Swede On, BC
Joined: 09.23.2015

Feb 19 @ 1:51 AM ET
Think big picture Mackey. Can the 3rd line function without virtanen? No. Can Loui play defence? Yes
- CanuckDon

Green will not give it to JV, that said its setup nice to slide JV up to EP , and drop TT down, JV Has to grab it now
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Feb 19 @ 1:56 AM ET
Green will not give it to JV, that said its setup nice to slide JV up to EP , and drop TT down, JV Has to grab it now
- onesmallleap

JV is needed to prop up Gaudette
onesmallleap
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Be Calm n Swede On, BC
Joined: 09.23.2015

Feb 19 @ 1:57 AM ET
I wonder if TG is brave enough to run with a 13.375 4 the line....lol

Jt ep jv
To bh tt
At ag tm
Le jb bs
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Feb 19 @ 2:53 AM ET
I wonder if TG is brave enough to run with a 13.375 4 the line....lol

Jt ep jv
To bh tt
At ag tm
Le jb bs

- onesmallleap


Help a brother out here.

Who is To, what happened to Pearson, and explain 13.375 4 the line.
SlightlyOffside
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Ajax, ON
Joined: 01.25.2016

Feb 19 @ 6:54 AM ET
If he’s a “pure rental” it’s a Cup or Bust trade that potentially cost us 2 future core pieces.
- DrChristianTroy


DCT - I respect your opinions, but you are overstating it quite a bit. It is a trade that cost us 2 pieces that have potential to be NHL players in the future and which is a “pure rental” unless TT re-signs.

Suggesting that a not-yet-drafted middle 2nd round 18 year old pick, or a pint-sized center scoring at a lower rate than AG at the same point in his career, are locks to be future core pieces is very optimistic. Mikita might say “hyperbole“.

We can probably agree it is a win now move.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Feb 19 @ 8:14 AM ET
Petey would have instant chemistry with a pylon.
- bloatedmosquito

Maybe Green will have Toffoli with Petey/Miller instead of Horvat/Pearson just to spite the media lol

Babcock-esque?
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