except that his contract demands are likely to be more than the team should pony up. he's a 3rd line center, who's having a career year, and will want to cash in on his UFA status. this team can't afford to pay a 3rd line center like a top six forward on a long term contract........so if they don't trade him, and his contract ask is too much (which it likely will be) then they do end up losing him for nothing.
- sensarmy_11

Exciting times and it hard to stay cool when there are hockey fires burning everywhere.

Dorion knows exactly what he can get right now if he says "yes." If, he chooses not to say "yes" it is because he believes he can do better.

This is what he is paid to do and we can only watch and hope.

Perhaps nobodys really interested in what the sens are selling or asking

Perhaps nobodys really interested in what the sens are selling or asking
- spazzbot

I doubt that.

Read one evaluation saying Demello is the best $000 value available at deadline.

At $900k, just about every team can fit him under their CAP. He can function as a very good 5/6 Dman on just about any team. And, he is a better #4 than what several playoff bound teams already have.

No need to say much about Pageau. He is a proven playoff performer, shut down defensive player and great penalty killer. I can think of at least a half dozen teams that would love to have him. The fact he will score 30 goals this year has not gone unnoticed.

Exciting times and it hard to stay cool when there are hockey fires burning everywhere.

Dorion knows exactly what he can get right now if he says "yes." If, he chooses not to say "yes" it is because he believes he can do better.

This is what he is paid to do and we can only watch and hope.
- spatso

I’m sorry, but Dorion doesn’t have the best track record when it comes to trades (spotty at best).
While Pageau is arguably the best piece the Sens have to offer, their are too many ufa’s that need to be figured out.

I’m not saying it can’t be done, but we’re seeing teams address their needs earlier then usual. For that we are losing leverage and time.

At this rate we may be looking at rushed deadline deals because there’s not enough time.

I’m sorry, but Dorion doesn’t have the best track record when it comes to trades (spotty at best).
While Pageau is arguably the best piece the Sens have to offer, their are too many ufa’s that need to be figured out.

I’m not saying it can’t be done, but we’re seeing teams address their needs earlier then usual. For that we are losing leverage and time.

At this rate we may be looking at rushed deadline deals because there’s not enough time.
- Trilla

look at the horrible return he got for Stone as a example of what your saying.

The Devils have done conspicuously well with their two trades so far...
- A. Greene for 2nd-2021 and D. Quenneville
- B. Coleman for a 1st-2020 and N. Foote

Those are moderate assets at best, going for pretty high value. Andy Greene has the same offensive output as Ron Hainsey this year, is only a year younger, and doesn't have a vaunted Cup pedigree. Meanwhile, Blake Coleman is basically Ryan Dzingel v2.0... though, in fairness, Dzingel was also traded for a very strong return.

Now the Kings have pulled off their big trade...
- T. Toffoli for 2nd-2020, T. Madden, T. Schaller, Conditional 4th-2022

That would appear to set the market for a ~20G top-6 forward, which is a 1st/2nd round pick, plus a solid prospect. What's less clear is the potential market for DeMelo, who should easily fetch a 2nd round pick if Greene's deal is any indication of the blue line market.

floated this on the Edm blog

would you guys do:

pageau and demelo

for

1st and pulijjarvi (sp?)

look at the horrible return he got for Stone as a example of what your saying.
- Athrin

Yep

look at the horrible return he got for Stone as a example of what your saying.
- Athrin

I still like that return. we were never going to get equal value for him, so put that out of your head. Dorion chose to quality over quantity, which i'm fine with. in 2-3 years from now, if Brannstrom is a star top pairing guy (which he clearly has the potential to be) nobody is going to give 2 poops about Mark Stone, they're going to love that we have Brannstrom.

I would have rather taken the chance that Bransstrom develops into a star, then get a late 1st, a not nearly as good prospect, and maybe some 24 year old plug 4th liner......which is likely all we would have gotten anyways.

floated this on the Edm blog

would you guys do:

pageau and demelo

for

1st and pulijjarvi (sp?)
- sensarmy_11

Idk.

You look at what tb gave up for Coleman and you think Pageau could get that 1st and Pulju on his own, no?

I feel like if Demelo isn’t resigned, that those two players could bring a better package if they were separated.

Islanders gave up a 2nd and prospect for an 80yr old Greene.

At this stage, Demelo is better, younger, has a non-existent cap hit and can play meaningful top 4m.

But then again, I wouldn’t be surprised if Dorion just dealt Demelo for something underwhelming because it’s....Dorion.

To be frank I am quite worried with what he will and won’t do by the deadline.

Idk.

You look at what tb gave up for Coleman and you think Pageau could get that 1st and Pulju on his own, no?

I feel like if Demelo isn’t resigned, that those two players could bring a better package if they were separated.

Islanders gave up a 2nd and prospect for an 80yr old Greene.

At this stage, Demelo is better, younger, has a non-existent cap hit and can play meaningful top 4m.

But then again, I wouldn’t be surprised if Dorion just dealt Demelo for something underwhelming because it’s....Dorion.

To be frank I am quite worried with what he will and won’t do by the deadline.
- Trilla

Coleman had term left on an amazingly good contract. Pageau is a UFA. considering that their production is practically identical, the contract factor adds a TON of extra value to Coleman

as for Demelo, I genuinely think that most people around the league, and even on his own team, don't realize quite how good he is. I suspect the return for him would be very underwhelming.....and he's also a UFA. but, if you can package the 2 together and get another 1st, and a guy who was a 3rd or 4th overall pick just 3 years ago......it goes back to quality over quantity.....and Edmonton desperately needs both of them right now.

an added bonus is that he moves 2 guys in one deal, freeing up time to make some other moves.

I still like that return. we were never going to get equal value for him, so put that out of your head. Dorion chose to quality over quantity, which i'm fine with. in 2-3 years from now, if Brannstrom is a star top pairing guy (which he clearly has the potential to be) nobody is going to give 2 poops about Mark Stone, they're going to love that we have Brannstrom.

I would have rather taken the chance that Bransstrom develops into a star, then get a late 1st, a not nearly as good prospect, and maybe some 24 year old plug 4th liner......which is likely all we would have gotten anyways.
- sensarmy_11

I think the bigger issue was that he waited until the last minute to deal his big guns (which is the path he’s currently headed on).
He didn’t establish deadlines with stone or Duchene..for that he received, what some thought, an underwhelming return.

Let’s not forget that stone signed an extension, which made the deal even worse.

As a GM, it shouldn’t take you to the wire to figure out if a player wants to stay or not..and it shouldn’t blind you from making a better deal earlier on if it arises.

Dorion played himself, traded away the best two way player we’ve ever had for an “ok” package.

He has said time and time again that he does not want what happened last season to be a repeat..but all indications are headed in that direction.

Except now he has to figure out half of the roster in under a week.

And underwhelming it was

Demelo for a 3rd

I hate Dorion

I doubt that.

Read one evaluation saying Demello is the best $000 value available at deadline.

At $900k, just about every team can fit him under their CAP. He can function as a very good 5/6 Dman on just about any team. And, he is a better #4 than what several playoff bound teams already have.

No need to say much about Pageau. He is a proven playoff performer, shut down defensive player and great penalty killer. I can think of at least a half dozen teams that would love to have him. The fact he will score 30 goals this year has not gone unnoticed.
- spatso

Teams will take them. Pageau points are becaise he is on the senators.
Would you rather keep demelo or take a 3rd, i have no idea what he was expecting $$$ wise wich can make the difference.

And underwhelming it was
Demelo for a 3rd
I hate Dorion
- Trilla

Some people are going to look at this and claim that they should have re-signed DeMelo, but that's not entirely within Dorion's control. DeMelo has more than earned the right to play on a more competitive team, and try to cash in as a UFA. However, for a RHD in the prime of their career, playing 20min/gp, and making less than $1M/yr... that trade return really should have been a 2nd round pick (even in a later year), or at least have a conditional pick if DeMelo is re-signed.