If it's JJ sure, but Maatta is in danger of being bought out he's been so bad. I don't really want him back.
- Tojo.

That's weird. He's been a + guy this year and looks OK.

54GP 4G 12A 16P +9 +/-

Just brought him up because of his previous history and cup winning guy with us.

Id do Olli for Jack straight up no sweat...Oli is better, younger and signed for one less season than Jack...he is about 800k more a year though.
- MattStrat

If we really need D help I'd probably deal Bjugstad for him but preferably Jacko. I don't dislike Olli at all. He had good moments with us.

That's weird. He's been a + guy this year and looks OK.

54GP 4G 12A 16P +9 +/-

Just brought him up because of his previous history and cup winning guy with us.
- Barnaby36

Id prefer Olli in a LD spot than Jacko. As far as I know the whole B-Hawks D corps has been underwhelming this season.

If we really need D help I'd probably deal Bjugstad for him but preferably Jacko. I don't dislike Olli at all. He had good moments with us.
- Barnaby36

No, for me, the only roster player I would give up for Olli is JJ.

Id prefer Olli in a LD spot than Jacko. As far as I know the whole B-Hawks D corps has been underwhelming this season.
- MattStrat

He has the best +/- out of all D-man in Chicago aside from de Haan, who's injuried. +9 and +10 respectively.

I had no idea Jumbo's cap hit is only 2 mill this year....in my head he was making more.
- MattStrat

With the high prices teams are getting for players right now I'm liking the idea of Joe more and more. I can't imagine SJ is going to get similar returns like Coleman and Toffoli got, but if they can grab him for a 3rd and maybe a so-so prospect I'd be all over it.

He has the best +/- out of all D-man in Chicago aside from de Haan, who's injuried. +9 and +10 respectively.
- Barnaby36

Don't want him back personally. Just try and rid of JJ like Gudbranson.

With the high prices teams are getting for players right now I'm liking the idea of Joe more and more. I can't imagine SJ is going to get similar returns like Coleman and Toffoli got, but if they can grab him for a 3rd and maybe a so-so prospect I'd be all over it.
- Rinosaur

I'd even entertain Thornton/Dillon package for a little more. But out of the 2 I would want Dillon more.

He has the best +/- out of all D-man in Chicago aside from de Haan, who's injuried. +9 and +10 respectively.
- Barnaby36

+/- is useless

I'd even entertain Thornton/Dillon package for a little more. But out of the 2 I would want Dillon more.
- 668710

I don't think there's a chance of Dillon. If Greene has set the benchmark, then some dumbpoop GM is going to give them a 1st at this point. I think Dillon is a decent dman, but he's in no way worth a 1st. I honestly don't even think he's worth a 2nd, but the market has dictated otherwise due to the thin rental market.

I honestly think the Pens already have two dmen who could take dumo's spot in the meantime: Pettersson and Riikola. If JJ is playing where he should I honestly think it makes a profound difference.

With the high prices teams are getting for players right now I'm liking the idea of Joe more and more. I can't imagine SJ is going to get similar returns like Coleman and Toffoli got, but if they can grab him for a 3rd and maybe a so-so prospect I'd be all over it.
- Rinosaur

I'd like to have him in bottom 6, 2nd PP and PK as well...then theres the intangible star-vet-whos-been-close-to-cup-having-never-won-one-but deserves-one-and-time-is-running-out thing...which I like.

I don't think there's a chance of Dillon. If Greene has set the benchmark, then some dumbpoop GM is going to give them a 1st at this point. I think Dillon is a decent dman, but he's in no way worth a 1st. I honestly don't even think he's worth a 2nd, but the market has dictated otherwise due to the thin rental market.

I honestly think the Pens already have two dmen who could take dumo's spot in the meantime: Pettersson and Riikola. If JJ is playing where he should I honestly think it makes a profound difference.
- Rinosaur

Yeah for the time being it should be:

Petts-Tang
Rikk-Schultz
JJ-Rud

I'd like to have him in bottom 6, 2nd PP and PK as well...then theres the intangible star-vet-whos-been-close-to-cup-having-never-won-one-but deserves-one-but-time-is-running-out thing...which I like.
- MattStrat

As long as he can stay healthy he would add a great dimension to this team. He's solid defensively, can obviously carry, protect and distribute the puck like very few can, physical presence with a seriously competitive edge to his game. This would give the Pens a rotation of Simon, Bjugstad and Horn at the RW position. That's awesome depth.

Yeah for the time being it should be:

Petts-Tang
Rikk-Schultz
JJ-Rud
- MattStrat

It should be anything other than JJ in a top four role when your other LD's are more capable than him.

With the high prices teams are getting for players right now I'm liking the idea of Joe more and more. I can't imagine SJ is going to get similar returns like Coleman and Toffoli got, but if they can grab him for a 3rd and maybe a so-so prospect I'd be all over it.
- Rinosaur

I just can't imagine how Joe would fit in with the Pens. Or he wouldn't be happy (ala Iginla) with his assignment. It would be not unlike a 747 parked in a hangar with a bunch of speedy military jets. Jumbo Joe, right?

I don't think there's a chance of Dillon. If Greene has set the benchmark, then some dumbpoop GM is going to give them a 1st at this point. I think Dillon is a decent dman, but he's in no way worth a 1st. I honestly don't even think he's worth a 2nd, but the market has dictated otherwise due to the thin rental market.

I honestly think the Pens already have two dmen who could take dumo's spot in the meantime: Pettersson and Riikola. If JJ is playing where he should I honestly think it makes a profound difference.
- Rinosaur

A 2nd plus another asset is pretty standard for a dman who can play 2nd pair.

To your point rental prices have been high this year. I feel like Dillon gets at least a 2nd and a 3rd. Defensemen market has a lot of buyers.

Yeah for the time being it should be:

Petts-Tang
Rikk-Schultz
JJ-Rud
- MattStrat

HCMS is obviously spreading his talent around, so good luck with this... I don't think he's listening. Tanger seems to be getting stronger each game, and JJ is holding his own as well.

A 2nd plus another asset is pretty standard for a dman who can play 2nd pair.

To your point rental prices have been high this year. I feel like Dillon gets at least a 2nd and a 3rd. Defensemen market has a lot of buyers.
- Tojo.

I think that's fair point, but I won't be shocked to see someone give them a 1st or a similar return as Toffoli.

I just can't imagine how Joe would fit in with the Pens. Or he wouldn't be happy (ala Iginla) with his assignment. It would be not unlike a 747 parked in a hangar with a bunch of speedy military jets. Jumbo Joe, right?
- Cousinskrid

Is he a fast guy? No, but he's a big mother(frank)er and players like that always appear slower than they actually are. He's fast enough for this team. Joe strikes me as a realist and having a shot at a cup, I don't think he'd have a problem playing 3rd banana to Sid and Geno.

HCMS is obviously spreading his talent around, so good luck with this... I don't think he's listening. Tanger seems to be getting stronger each game, and JJ is holding his own as well.
- Cousinskrid

Why do you say Tanger is getting stronger each game? Because hes put some points up?

His underlying stats, along with the team's, are dropping and dropping with JJ next to him hahah

Your top pairing should have the best combo possible. Then your middle pair the next best 2. The 3rd pair can be sheltered better then.

This is the last 12 games...Rikky has been their best D-man since back in lineup. Now obviously he's getting more favorable match-ups but I think he totally deserves a long look at 1st pair LD along side Tang.

https://www.naturalstattr...ines=single&draftteam=ALL

I'd even entertain Thornton/Dillon package for a little more. But out of the 2 I would want Dillon more.
- 668710

I am liking the idea of Joe Thornton. He'd fit in very well on our 3rd line.

Reminds me a lot of the Bill Guerin situation with us.

Pull the trigger Ruth!

Is he a fast guy? No, but he's a big mother(frank)er and players like that always appear slower than they actually are. He's fast enough for this team. Joe strikes me as a realist and having a shot at a cup, I don't think he'd have a problem playing 3rd banana to Sid and Geno.
- Rinosaur

Isn't he already playing third line in SJ? I don't think it's a big deal and agree with you that he'd fit. We could send Simon in the trade too as Simon wouldn't really work with Joe. It would just be passing back and fourth to one another while Horny waits for a shot in front 🤣

Is he a fast guy? No, but he's a big mother(frank)er and players like that always appear slower than they actually are. He's fast enough for this team. Joe strikes me as a realist and having a shot at a cup, I don't think he'd have a problem playing 3rd banana to Sid and Geno.
- Rinosaur

Hey, you may be right and I may be crazy, but I don't think Joe is any more the type of player Sully wants than Ryan Reaves was. Recognizing of course that Thornton and Reaves are two completely different styles of players, they're both not fast.

I think McCann is our 3c when (if) everyone is healthy, and Blueger is 4c. Now if (when) somebody else in this lineup gets hurt...

+/- is useless
- Rinosaur

Intangibles..

Hey, you may be right and I may be crazy, but I don't think Joe is any more the type of player Sully wants than Ryan Reaves was. Recognizing of course that Thornton and Reaves are two completely different styles of players, they're both not fast.

I think McCann is our 3c when (if) everyone is healthy, and Blueger is 4c. Now if (when) somebody else in this lineup gets hurt...
- Cousinskrid

I'm a big proponent of McCann being the 3C and I think the future of this team looks brightest with him there as long as they have the right players in the top six. The only reason I'm a proponent of Joe right now is that this market is shaking out to be some serious overpayments and as much as I'd like to see the Pens get a solid rental RW which would allow McCann to go back to C, I'd rather them spend less and Joe is that option.

I don't know how Bjugstad will be when he returns, how long it will take him to get back in a groove, but playing wing will give him less responsibilities than player center and just focus on opening up space for whomever he plays with.

Joe is a player Sully would love. While he doesn't have blazing speed, he's good defensively, smart player and works hard. He would do a lot of good with the Pens IMO. He's not my first choice, but outside of the obviously available players, he seems like the best choice in terms having to overpay players.