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Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Feb 17 @ 6:45 PM ET
Sully loves Murray, they go way back. He is not leaving, IMHO.
- powerhouse

We should start a betting pool.
Thorny87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 10.17.2014

Feb 17 @ 7:11 PM ET
Isles fading? 3 losses in a row.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Feb 17 @ 7:16 PM ET
Isles fading? 3 losses in a row.
- Thorny87

We can only hope
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Feb 17 @ 7:55 PM ET
Good points - I agree with them. It is an unknown how well Horny will be playing by then. He is sort of turning into an expensive specialist, so I could see that. I wouldn't be too upset about losing Blueger or Simon, but yeah, if we can kill two birds with one stone, it might make sense.
- Hockey66

Crosby, Malkin, Guentzel, Zucker, Rust, McCann, Kahun, Tanev, Blueger, Simon. Have to leave 3 unprotected. They might have a few more forwards ready to step in, but I would hate to lose most of those guys. We'll see how it looks though.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Feb 17 @ 7:56 PM ET
Isles fading? 3 losses in a row.
- Thorny87

Feels like they've been mediocre for a while but banked a ton of points early.
Thorny87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 10.17.2014

Feb 17 @ 7:59 PM ET
Per Dreger Tofolli a canuck
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Feb 17 @ 8:02 PM ET
Crosby, Malkin, Guentzel, Zucker, Rust, McCann, Kahun, Tanev, Blueger, Simon. Have to leave 3 unprotected. They might have a few more forwards ready to step in, but I would hate to lose most of those guys. We'll see how it looks though.
- Tojo.

The first 7 you listed at this point in time would be my protected list. Hopefully after next season one of Poulin, Legare or Hallander will be good to go. Possible Poulin impresses next year.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Feb 17 @ 8:02 PM ET
Per Dreger Tofolli a canuck
- Thorny87

Really?!
Thorny87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 10.17.2014

Feb 17 @ 8:04 PM ET
Really?!
- 668710

No info on which NHL’r he was traded for yet

No salary retained by the Kings on Toffoli ($4.6 M AAV) because there's an NHL player in the return package which makes the money work. The Kings are getting a pick, a prospect and NHL player plus another conditional pick if Toffoli re-signs with
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Feb 17 @ 8:08 PM ET
No info on what he was traded for yet
- Thorny87

Interesting, feel like it's a waste because I don't see them going deep but who knows haha.
burgh4life87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.22.2014

Feb 17 @ 8:16 PM ET
No info on which NHL’r he was traded for yet

No salary retained by the Kings on Toffoli ($4.6 M AAV) because there's an NHL player in the return package which makes the money work. The Kings are getting a pick, a prospect and NHL player plus another conditional pick if Toffoli re-signs with

- Thorny87

So far I have seen Shaller as the NHL'er going back and Tyler Madden as the prospect. The pick is conditional on resigning.
Thorny87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 10.17.2014

Feb 17 @ 8:18 PM ET
So far I have seen Shaller as the NHL'er going back and Tyler Madden as the prospect. The pick is conditional on resigning.
- burgh4life87

Yeah just saw that. No idea who madden is? Schaller is underwhelming
burgh4life87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.22.2014

Feb 17 @ 8:21 PM ET
Yeah just saw that. No idea who madden is? Schaller is underwhelming
- Thorny87

The Athletic had him as their third best prospect. I would expect this to be a 2nd rounder with a conditional 1st on resigning. If not this is a lame ass trade for LA considering what others have gotten.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Feb 17 @ 8:25 PM ET
Per Dreger Tofolli a canuck
- Thorny87


Yup. Ta ta, Tofolli.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Feb 17 @ 8:30 PM ET
Lebrun saying a pick a prospect an NHL player and a conditional pick if he re signs with Canucks.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Feb 17 @ 8:31 PM ET
No info on which NHL’r he was traded for yet

No salary retained by the Kings on Toffoli ($4.6 M AAV) because there's an NHL player in the return package which makes the money work. The Kings are getting a pick, a prospect and NHL player plus another conditional pick if Toffoli re-signs with

- Thorny87

Haha I missed this post, but thanks!
burgh4life87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.22.2014

Feb 17 @ 8:40 PM ET
Lebrun saying a pick a prospect an NHL player and a conditional pick if he re signs with Canucks.
- 668710

The conditional is a 4th in 2022. So 2nd rounder, Shaller and Madden. Not bad for a rental, but I wonder if that was their best offer. EDIT if that would have been their best offer.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Feb 17 @ 8:51 PM ET
The conditional is a 4th in 2022. So 2nd rounder, Shaller and Madden. Not bad for a rental, but I wonder if that was their best offer.
- burgh4life87

Yea maybe it was. Idk I still don't see the Canucks getting through the central with this move. They could possibly get to that third round though.
Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Feb 17 @ 9:03 PM ET
The first 7 you listed at this point in time would be my protected list. Hopefully after next season one of Poulin, Legare or Hallander will be good to go. Possible Poulin impresses next year.
- 668710

Yep, exactly. No one is taking Tanev at that point, IMO, so I think it comes down to Blueger and Simon. Not a huge deal as far as I'm concerned.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Feb 17 @ 9:06 PM ET
Sully loves Murray, they go way back. He is not leaving, IMHO.
- powerhouse

By the way he talked about Murray after the game you’d say he’s like his son or big friend. He sure does love #30.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Feb 17 @ 9:07 PM ET
By the way he talked about Murray after the game you’d say he’s like his son or big friend. He sure does love #30.
- Barnaby36

Well good thing Sully doesn't give out the contracts haha
Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Feb 17 @ 9:10 PM ET
The conditional is a 4th in 2022. So 2nd rounder, Shaller and Madden. Not bad for a rental, but I wonder if that was their best offer. EDIT if that would have been their best offer.
- burgh4life87

Well, the Canucks are in about 18th draft position, so a fair bit better than the Pens. Maybe a 2nd and a 3rd would have got it done, but the prospect was a 3rd round pick, so maybe not. I have a feeling that JR wasn't too hot on him (or felt he couldn't compete with an offer or didn't like the rental aspect). Just as well, now he can turn his attention to 2LD.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Feb 17 @ 9:11 PM ET
The conditional is a 4th in 2022. So 2nd rounder, Shaller and Madden. Not bad for a rental, but I wonder if that was their best offer. EDIT if that would have been their best offer.
- burgh4life87

So much for Toffoli going cheap. Madden was rated higher than Addison in Pronman's midseason rankings, 40 v 52, so that's a real good prospect. Close to what we paid for Zucker really.

Nobody stands out in the Pacific though I still keep expecting more from Vegas, so maybe this helps get them in and win a round or two before facing a main contender. Seems like an overpay if they don't sign him though.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Feb 17 @ 9:12 PM ET
Well good thing Sully doesn't give out the contracts haha
- 668710

Lol too bad Ruth likes to reward his goalies as he was one of them in the past ha!
burgh4life87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.22.2014

Feb 17 @ 9:13 PM ET
Well, the Canucks are in about 18th draft position, so a fair bit better than the Pens. Maybe a 2nd and a 3rd would have got it done. I have a feeling that JR wasn't too hot on him. Just as well, now he can turn his attention to 2LD.
- Hockey66

There was talk that Jim and Sully didn't like the pace of his game and thought he might be a bit overwhelmed by the speed of our system. I still don't think D is worth trading for unless Dumo can't return. We will see. I think another wing would suffice. We have a lot of good utility guys, but someone who plays with speed and can shoot the puck is never a bad pick up. Craig Smith might be available and he plays the type of game we like.
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