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Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Feb 17 @ 6:34 AM ET
Petterson is developing into that role. He made a nice pass to Zucker in the Montreal game and he helped to create some space for Crosby on his goal yesterday. Another plus is he does not hesitate to shoot.

As far as Kahun is concerned, I remember one or two Hawks fan on here immediately after the Maatta trade. They were saying he is better on the right side. I like him there also, there just isn't any room for him in the top six.

- Thunderbolt

Yeah, I like Pettersson, too, and think he is / will be fine as the 2LD. I'm thinking about Dumo's uncertain status this year and even if he does come back and plays ok, I'd still like someone to push JJ out of the lineup come playoff time. I think overkill on defense is a good thing. Petts and Schultz as the third pair would be killer.

As for Kahun, considering that Simon is a black hole on offense, I would rather Kahun plays 1RW if he is, indeed, better on the right side. In that case, I would put McCann as 2LW and either use Bjug as 3C or trade for a 3C.

My trade priorities are 2LD > 3C > 1/2W.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Feb 17 @ 6:36 AM ET
Petterson is developing into that role. He made a nice pass to Zucker in the Montreal game and he helped to create some space for Crosby on his goal yesterday. Another plus is he does not hesitate to shoot.

As far as Kahun is concerned, I remember one or two Hawks fan on here immediately after the Maatta trade. They were saying he is better on the right side. I like him there also, there just isn't any room for him in the top six.

- Thunderbolt

I took it as getting a 2LD to replace Dumo for the time being, not Petts. And there's room for Kahun in the top 6 especially if he's better at RW.
Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Feb 17 @ 6:38 AM ET
This second paragraph all depends on Dumo. If Dumo wasn't a question mark the Pens would probably try for another forward. But it's looking more and more like we need Scandella, Dillon, etc..
- 668710

Yeah, I just really want to be done with JJ, regardless of how Dumo comes back. He had a terrible game today against the worst team in the league. If we got a 2LD with some offense to his game, that would be pretty amazing.
Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Feb 17 @ 6:40 AM ET
I took it as getting a 2LD to replace Dumo for the time being, not Petts. And there's room for Kahun in the top 6 especially if he's better at RW.
- 668710

Yeah, both. Someone to play with Letang until Dumo comes back and then I don't care who plays 2LD between new guy and Petts, but evening out the minutes more would be great for Dumo's recovery and for Letang's old legs.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Feb 17 @ 6:41 AM ET
Yeah, I like Pettersson, too, and think he is / will be fine as the 2LD. I'm thinking about Dumo's uncertain status this year and even if he does come back and plays ok, I'd still like someone to push JJ out of the lineup come playoff time. I think overkill on defense is a good thing. Petts and Schultz as the third pair would be killer.

As for Kahun, considering that Simon is a black hole on offense, I would rather Kahun plays 1RW if he is, indeed, better on the right side. In that case, I would put McCann as 2LW and either use Bjug as 3C or trade for a 3C.

My trade priorities are 2LD > 3C > 1/2W.

- Hockey66

Let's say Bjugstad doesn't come back, I'd still go 2LD>1/2W>3C because you get that Wing and McCann goes right to 3C where he played awesome this year.
Edit: Probably higher price to pay to acquire a C
Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Feb 17 @ 6:44 AM ET
Let's say Bjugstad doesn't come back, I'd still go 2LD>1/2W>3C because you get that Wing and McCann goes right to 3C where he played awesome this year.
- 668710

I'd go along with that, too. I think both he and Bjug might be better wingers long-term, but I'd be fine with McCann going back to 3C.

Yes, higher price for C. Might as well just get that 2LD and call it a day.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Feb 17 @ 6:48 AM ET
I'd go along with that, too. I think both he and Bjug might be better wingers long-term, but I'd be fine with McCann going back to 3C.

Yes, higher price for C. Might as well just get that 2LD and call it a day.

- Hockey66

Yea definitely.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Feb 17 @ 7:05 AM ET
EXPANSION DRAFT 2021 (protection):

7F 3D 1G

OR

8 Skaters 1G

We'll have some trouble here.

Crosby, Malkin, Guentzel, Zucker, Rust, McCann and Kahun (or Tanev) might be the ones we'll protect. Things can change until 2021.

On D Letang, Dumoulin, Pettersson? Is Marino exempt? If so, good.

On G, Jarry, hopefully.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Feb 17 @ 7:07 AM ET
EXPANSION DRAFT 2021 (protection):

7F 3D 1G

OR

8 Skaters 1G

We'll have some trouble here.

Crosby, Malkin, Guentzel, Zucker, Rust, McCann and Kahun (or Tanev) might be the ones we'll protect. Things can change until 2021.

On D Letang, Dumoulin, Pettersson? Is Marino exempt? If so, good.

On G, Jarry, hopefully.

- Barnaby36

I believe Marino is exempt.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 17 @ 7:09 AM ET
I loved seeing Zucker's reaction after his first goal.

Going from Minnesota to Crosby's wing is like getting out jail and winning the powerball.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Feb 17 @ 7:09 AM ET
I believe Marino is exempt.
- 668710

That would be wonderful. We probably would lose one of Blueger, Tanev or Hörnqvist..
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Feb 17 @ 7:10 AM ET
I loved seeing Zucker's reaction after his first goal.

Going from Minnesota to Crosby's wing is like getting out jail and winning the powerball.

- jmatchett383

Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Feb 17 @ 7:10 AM ET
EXPANSION DRAFT 2021 (protection):

7F 3D 1G

OR

8 Skaters 1G

We'll have some trouble here.

Crosby, Malkin, Guentzel, Zucker, Rust, McCann and Kahun (or Tanev) might be the ones we'll protect. Things can change until 2021.

On D Letang, Dumoulin, Pettersson? Is Marino exempt? If so, good.

On G, Jarry, hopefully.

- Barnaby36

Marino is exempt so we would definitely go with 7-3. One of Kahun or Blueger would be exposed / taken if it were today (they can expose Tanev but doubtful he is taken). So, in other words, Kahun is the risk. Or Murray, but that will likely be resolved by then.

Edit: Never mind, Kahun can be protected. It would be between Blueger and Simon. No one is taking Tanev or Horny.
Cousinskrid
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: the BURGH, PA
Joined: 03.08.2018

Feb 17 @ 7:13 AM ET
I like that Miller has term but he is RD and we need LD.

It keeps being said that we have no more ammo since we don't have a 1st or 2nd this year, but we have picks 1-3 in 2021 (and 2022). If we could get a good 2LD, I would trade our 2021 1st. We will need to get a LD in the offseason if we plan on cutting JJ loose, anyway.

- Hockey66


I just don't see GMJR 'cutting JJ loose' after the season, much to the chagrin of many here LOL. But obviously, if some GM approaches JR with an offer he can't refuse (which also probably won't happen), he should be game.
Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Feb 17 @ 7:15 AM ET
I just don't see GMJR 'cutting JJ loose' after the season, much to the chagrin of many here LOL. But obviously, if some GM approaches JR with an offer he can't refuse (which also probably won't happen), he should be game.
- Cousinskrid

I fear that you are right, but I have hope that either JR and/or Sully come to their senses.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Feb 17 @ 7:18 AM ET
Isn't Kahun a natural LW, or at least that's what he plays most? Same with Zucker (or did you leave out the obvious?). Even if not, him and Zucker in the top 6 LW is a lock, as is Rust at RW. So I think it comes down to if Sully is comfortable with Simon at 1RW for the playoff run. I'm not. I would rather see us acquire a RW (like Toffoli) to play alongside Crosby and Zucker.

Really, though, I think getting a 2LD is much more a priority and would go a long way to improving the team. A 2LD with some offensive chops.

- Hockey66

I meant a bottom 6 LW. All the options (Kahun, Simon, McCann) might be used elsewhere although they could end up with Bjugstad centering McCann.
Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Feb 17 @ 7:23 AM ET
I meant a bottom 6 LW. All the options (Kahun, Simon, McCann) might be used elsewhere although they could end up with Bjugstad centering McCann.
- Tojo.

Oh, ok, Yeah, just ZAR and Laff. I could see JR bargain hunting for bottom 6 LW. He loves digging through the bargain bin.

I would rather go for 1/2RW and move Simon back to 3LW if the cost isn't too much. But then again, I also want a 2LD.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Feb 17 @ 7:24 AM ET
Petterson is developing into that role. He made a nice pass to Zucker in the Montreal game and he helped to create some space for Crosby on his goal yesterday. Another plus is he does not hesitate to shoot.

As far as Kahun is concerned, I remember one or two Hawks fan on here immediately after the Maatta trade. They were saying he is better on the right side. I like him there also, there just isn't any room for him in the top six.

- Thunderbolt

Interesting, I haven't noticed much difference. Right now, Kahun was a good fit on Malkin's left, but when Guentzel gets back I'd like to see him get another look with Sid for that last top 6 spot.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Feb 17 @ 7:26 AM ET
Oh, ok, Yeah, just ZAR and Laff. I could see JR bargain hunting for bottom 6 LW. He loves digging through the bargain bin.

I would rather go for 1/2RW and move Simon back to 3LW if the cost isn't too much. But then again, I also want a 2LD.

- Hockey66

I don't even think Lafferty really plays LW, they're just out if options.
Cousinskrid
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: the BURGH, PA
Joined: 03.08.2018

Feb 17 @ 7:31 AM ET
I fear that you are right, but I have hope that either JR and/or Sully come to their senses.
- Hockey66


There are typically a lot of folks who come here and say, "he sucks" or "that guy sucks" or "he really sucks"... with JJ I don't know that I've ever seen such opposition to a player who plays not only every night, but mostly a large chunk of it on the first pair. Recognizing JJ's talent level is arguably 3rd line, I think it's obvious HCMS is spreading his talent around with his parings. And I think it's worked out pretty well.
LOL, someone wrote on here the other day about JJ: 'all he does is throw the puck across to Letang to get it up the ice...' which is just ludicrous. I think he's played solid in a role above his head, and I think he and 58 get a little stronger as a pair every game. And it seems they may have to keep doing that... in Sully I trust, certainly over anyone here.
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Feb 17 @ 7:32 AM ET
So I'm super late because.... well I'm just not on here as often, but can someone explain how the (frank) Coleman went for two 1sts?

Like... many years his type of player gets you a 2nd and a mid prospect and no one bats an eye. Did I miss something or is this a massive overpayment?
Cousinskrid
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: the BURGH, PA
Joined: 03.08.2018

Feb 17 @ 7:33 AM ET
So I'm super late because.... well I'm just not on here as often, but can someone explain how the (frank) Coleman went for two 1sts?

Like... many years his type of player gets you a 2nd and a mid prospect and no one bats an eye. Did I miss something or is this a massive overpayment?

- Guile


I thought he went for a second.
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Feb 17 @ 7:36 AM ET
I thought he went for a second.
- Cousinskrid



Vancouver's 1st round pick that Tampa had, and their 1st round picked player from the year before. Unless I've read the wrong trade info and swapped names.

Which means I'd better delete fast >_>


NJ has moved Blake Coleman to Tampa for a first round pick and Nolan Foote.


Breaking: Isles GM Lou Lamoriello has acquired veteran blueliner Andy Greene from the New Jersey Devils for a 2021 second round pick and David Quenneville



Phew.... got worried for a minute.
Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Feb 17 @ 7:41 AM ET
So I'm super late because.... well I'm just not on here as often, but can someone explain how the (frank) Coleman went for two 1sts?

Like... many years his type of player gets you a 2nd and a mid prospect and no one bats an eye. Did I miss something or is this a massive overpayment?

- Guile

Well, he's cheap and he's signed for another year, but yeah, definitely an overpayment. It makes Zucker seem cheap and he makes about 3x what Coleman makes.
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Feb 17 @ 7:42 AM ET
Well, he's cheap and he's signed for another year, but yeah, definitely an overpayment. It makes Zucker seem cheap and he makes about 3x what Coleman makes.
- Hockey66



Zucker is an all around better player by a solid margin imo.
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