Unless you entice a Bergevin/Cheveldeyoff to come back as a GM
- LAHawk

Neither has exactly “nailed it” at their current positions - but the Hawks could (and most likely would) do worse.

Cheveldeyoff would my pick of the two - and I’d trust him to hire a new head coach that employs a functional defensive system.

You're absolutely right on the first part. But if you're right about the second part and the window is closed for Toews and Kane to win another cup here, what is the purpose of keeping them?
- Toew Drags 4 Daze

I'm not defending these reasons, but they are reasons:
1) Butts in seats.
2) Solid role models for the young players.
3) Always hard to get back an equal return for guys like that.

Most likely reason they stay... they don't waive. Regardless of the results on the ice, Toews and Kane (as well as Keith and Seabrook) have said that they love Chicago, want to stay to turn it around, etc. They have most of the power there.

I'm not saying that I don't want the team to do well, or that they cannot be competitive while 19 and 88 are still here. I'm just saying that I'm not expecting them to be the major drivers of getting back to being a strong PO team (maybe Kane but that's it). I just think it will take a bit too long for that to be the case.

I sure do not like what Rob Blake has done with the Kings since he has taken over. Benning took over Vancouver before the 2014-15 season, looks like he finally got that turned around after 5 seasons and the Sedin twins retirement.
- LAHawk

The Kings seem to be in about the same "older, high dollar players taking up too much cap" situation. I still like Kopitar and Doughty's games, but Carter, Brown, and Martinez are pretty brutal.

i think he has earned the chance to rebuld. If you hire a new GM, he is going to want to tear the whole thing down anyway and you would be burning the rest of Kane and Toews time here anyway. In 2 years Stan has turned over 70% of the roster. Bowman and Colliton's contracts both run out next year. I bet Stan gets a half a season next year to see how his rebuilding went, and then Rocky will decide whether to cut bait or extend his contract.
- LAHawk

I agree and disagree he has been rebuilding since the last cup win. Plus the last 3 years have been trending in the wrong direction imo.

Their are a lot of Gm’s who have done nothing,won nothing,not drafted well and still have there jobs.Maybe I’m alone,but Bowman has made some mistakes, but I want to keep him.
- Tatoo

No you are not alone. If it's my call, Bowman stays. Colliton is another matter. Here is an example. 2019 off season. Everyone could see that Hawks defense was horrid, so what did Bowman do ? He looked for anyone AVAILABLE !! What do some of these clowns around here think, that Bowman is gonna trade for anyone he WANTS ?? He did the best he could. He got De Haan and Maata, and we saw the price tag. He got Shaw back, so we could have someone who could go to the front of the net. And he was done, saving a few million for a future move. And what happens ? All of a sudden, Lehner is available. So now we are OUT of cap space. And here we are. Can only do so much. A lot of tough decisions ahead, because of the cap restrictions, just like Leafs and Penguins and all the others. Fans want all-stars at a low cap hit ? That only comes from the draft. Boqvist and Dach, that's a good start, although my choice was Cozens. And there is some D-men in the pipeline that might be good.

Nice..this really dangerous...not much so to NHL saftey a $5000 fine.

5 min major and throw out plus suspension would have the correct call.

this is the 5th or 6th cross check to the head i have seen in the last two weeks that have gone unpenalized ...two involved the hawks..

https://sports.yahoo.com/...-gallagher-175814388.html

There is no point to play revisionist when it comes to trades, signings, etc. THey are done. Everyone I know wanted a chance for the Cup again in 2016 and 2017 so ponying up for it was a risk taken by Bowman that blew up in his face. It happens.

This team as currently constructed was a steaming pile of crap with a miniscule margin for error for consistent success….and when you had MAIN players go through dry spells and not produce, it only shined a light brighter on what ails them....This team has been maddeningly inconsistent all year and yet people are STILL detonating over it?

SOme posters want to jettison JC and Bowman....I get it. JC is an unproven coach but does a seasoned coach do much better with the exact roster and THE exact performances and injuries to key guys? I highly doubt it.

I am by NO means a huge Bowman fan, and I'll reserve judgement until after the deadline to see what he sells and what he gets back.

Its tiresome reading DeBrincat SUCKS or TRADE posts non stop. THe kid had a 18.6 and 15.5 shooting percentage and this year is at 8.2ish.....that's why his numbers are done. He is still getting chances but he isn't converting. Blame bad luck, hitting posts, missing nets, lack of confidence, pressure from a new deal but anything that CAN, and HAS gone wrong for him this year. Now if it continues into next year....say 20+ games.....its worth discussing.

Again IF you can get a huge package for a Keith, Saad, Crawford and/or Lehner you do so. Stock pile picks, young nhl talent, or almost ready nhl talent.

The time of winning a cup RIGHT now are long gone. THe window is slammed shut. Its time to get over it, and have some patience and see if some of these younger kids can develop into the next decade's core to help the organization get back to a legit contender status. Easier said then done.

The Kings seem to be in about the same "older, high dollar players taking up too much cap" situation. I still like Kopitar and Doughty's games, but Carter, Brown, and Martinez are pretty brutal.
- Chunk

Its been reported Doughty and Kopitar are on board with the rebuild. Regarfdless of whatever bs e4 or e5 trades this site throws out.

Martinez will be dealt. Im sure Blake is dirivng up prices which to me makes Keith a very possibility IF Keith wants to go......Uncle Dale would easily give us his 1st and more. Saad could fetch 1st after Zucker was worth one....Lehner could get Carolina's 1st.

Imagine having multiple picks and possibly packaging your non 1sts for the ability to have 2 top 10, or top 5 picks (with lottery luck)

I'm not defending these reasons, but they are reasons:
1) Butts in seats.
2) Solid role models for the young players.
3) Always hard to get back an equal return for guys like that.

Most likely reason they stay... they don't waive. Regardless of the results on the ice, Toews and Kane (as well as Keith and Seabrook) have said that they love Chicago, want to stay to turn it around, etc. They have most of the power there.

I'm not saying that I don't want the team to do well, or that they cannot be competitive while 19 and 88 are still here. I'm just saying that I'm not expecting them to be the major drivers of getting back to being a strong PO team (maybe Kane but that's it). I just think it will take a bit too long for that to be the case.
- Chunk

It would take a massive deal to move either 1....19 or 88

Look at their cap hits, and then look at their NMCs.....they control IF they go anywhere, so Bowman's market is limited.

Kane could move but a team fitting him in that is ready to WIN now is another story. Is anyone taking Toews at 10.5? I doubt it. Would Toews today get 10.5 on the open market?

Bottom line....hockey is still very much a niche sport in this town. THe true die hards are fickle and without recognizable names for the casual fans....where are most people going to drop their discretionary dollars? Sure as hell not watching Blackhawks hockey in person.

IMO....I think we are seeing trial and error by Bowman to figure out the easiest way to get back to winning.....the only chip he hasn't played yet is dealing a large name from yesterday's success to help expedite this rebuild....and that could happen in the next 11 days....

There is no point to play revisionist when it comes to trades, signings, etc. THey are done. Everyone I know wanted a chance for the Cup again in 2016 and 2017 so ponying up for it was a risk taken by Bowman that blew up in his face. It happens.

This team as currently constructed was a steaming pile of crap with a miniscule margin for error for consistent success….and when you had MAIN players go through dry spells and not produce, it only shined a light brighter on what ails them....This team has been maddeningly inconsistent all year and yet people are STILL detonating over it?

SOme posters want to jettison JC and Bowman....I get it. JC is an unproven coach but does a seasoned coach do much better with the exact roster and THE exact performances and injuries to key guys? I highly doubt it.

I am by NO means a huge Bowman fan, and I'll reserve judgement until after the deadline to see what he sells and what he gets back.

Its tiresome reading DeBrincat SUCKS or TRADE posts non stop. THe kid had a 18.6 and 15.5 shooting percentage and this year is at 8.2ish.....that's why his numbers are done. He is still getting chances but he isn't converting. Blame bad luck, hitting posts, missing nets, lack of confidence, pressure from a new deal but anything that CAN, and HAS gone wrong for him this year. Now if it continues into next year....say 20+ games.....its worth discussing.

Again IF you can get a huge package for a Keith, Saad, Crawford and/or Lehner you do so. Stock pile picks, young nhl talent, or almost ready nhl talent.

The time of winning a cup RIGHT now are long gone. THe window is slammed shut. Its time to get over it, and have some patience and see if some of these younger kids can develop into the next decade's core to help the organization get back to a legit contender status. Easier said then done.
- SteveRain

Totally agree with SR here on players to be moved that bring the greatest value. Saad, Keith, Lehner, Crawford should bring HUGE returns in prospects and picks. Gus is a no brainier but Bowman won't get more than a 3rd or so for him. Murphy, Maata and DeHaan are possibilities as well if they're looking at a totally younger dcore next year. Murphy has had a really really solid year but would also bring back a haul because of it.

Based on all the intense conversations today regarding Bowman, I guess that's the million dollar question. Should he be allowed to do this rebuild or not.
IMO.....If neither Lehner or Crawford are dealt at the TD, that tells me that the organization doesn't want Bowman to do anything and a change will be made at season's end. Hopefully that includes COLLITON as well.

You're absolutely right on the first part. But if you're right about the second part and the window is closed for Toews and Kane to win another cup here, what is the purpose of keeping them?
- Toew Drags 4 Daze

To sell tickets while building the next core.

The Hawks will NEVER win another Cup with 2, 19 and 88 as the core. The need a new core. That's the why they need HIGH draft choices - that's overwhelmingly where franchise changing players come from these days. The odds of lucking into another core like they had are extremely low.

I'll be waiting for your replacement GM candidate, and your explanation as to why his previous mistakes are no problem.

Nice..this really dangerous...not much so to NHL saftey a $5000 fine.

5 min major and throw out plus suspension would have the correct call.

this is the 5th or 6th cross check to the head i have seen in the last two weeks that have gone unpenalized ...two involved the hawks..

https://sports.yahoo.com/...-gallagher-175814388.html
- bogiedoc

Chara and Marchant both need their knees taken out. And Cassidy should be suspended the rest of the season (and playoffs) for continuing to put these guys out there.

To sell tickets while building the next core.

The Hawks will NEVER win another Cup with 2, 19 and 88 as the core. The need a new core. That's the why they need HIGH draft choices - that's overwhelmingly where franchise changing players come from these days. The odds of lucking into another core like they had are extremely low.

I'll be waiting for your replacement GM candidate, and your explanation as to why his previous mistakes are no problem.
- mohel

Dude, Chelios. He has yet to make a single mistake as a GM.

To sell tickets while building the next core.

The Hawks will NEVER win another Cup with 2, 19 and 88 as the core. The need a new core. That's the why they need HIGH draft choices - that's overwhelmingly where franchise changing players come from these days. The odds of lucking into another core like they had are extremely low.

I'll be waiting for your replacement GM candidate, and your explanation as to why his previous mistakes are no problem.
- mohel

I've got an out of the box name for next GM - Mark Messier.

With their win tonight, the Piggies move into a playoff spot. D. Sikura extended his point streak to 9 games. Nilsson had 2 of the easiest goals ever due to almost identical plays. One by Soderlund and the other by Hagel. ECHL stalwart Grant Mitchell scored 2 goals and Carlsson had 2 assist.

I've got an out of the box name for next GM - Mark Messier.
- powerenforcer

Put it back in the box and throw it out.

To sell tickets while building the next core.

The Hawks will NEVER win another Cup with 2, 19 and 88 as the core. The need a new core. That's the why they need HIGH draft choices - that's overwhelmingly where franchise changing players come from these days. The odds of lucking into another core like they had are extremely low.

I'll be waiting for your replacement GM candidate, and your explanation as to why his previous mistakes are no problem.
- mohel

Alright bud let's get this out of the way. Honestly what would it take for you to fire Stan? What would have to happen for you to say, you know what I think it's time to bring someone else in? Not being a smartass, genuine question.

Put it back in the box and throw it out.
- Elbows15

😂

Put it back in the box and throw it out.
- Elbows15

Never was in the box.

Never was in the box.
- powerenforcer

It can't be out of the box thinking if it in fact wasn't in a box at one time. It is implied.

The Avs blow a 2-0 lead to the Caps. Somehow the Caps had 3 PPs in the 3rd.

Its been reported Doughty and Kopitar are on board with the rebuild. Regarfdless of whatever bs e4 or e5 trades this site throws out.

Martinez will be dealt. Im sure Blake is dirivng up prices which to me makes Keith a very possibility IF Keith wants to go......Uncle Dale would easily give us his 1st and more. Saad could fetch 1st after Zucker was worth one....Lehner could get Carolina's 1st.

Imagine having multiple picks and possibly packaging your non 1sts for the ability to have 2 top 10, or top 5 picks (with lottery luck)
- SteveRain

"Easily a 1st for Keith, hmmm? IDK..."

To sell tickets while building the next core.

The Hawks will NEVER win another Cup with 2, 19 and 88 as the core. The need a new core. That's the why they need HIGH draft choices - that's overwhelmingly where franchise changing players come from these days. The odds of lucking into another core like they had are extremely low.

I'll be waiting for your replacement GM candidate, and your explanation as to why his previous mistakes are no problem.
- mohel

One other thing about going for it in '16 and '17. They knew Hossa was done after '17 he was never going to play for a million bucks a year he makes that standing on his head doing personal appearances at Slovakian pay rates.

Everybody will get to see how that type of salary structure works this year - the Maple Loafs have about $40M tied up in 4 forwards - Mathews, Marner, Tavares and Nylander. Add in Rielly and Anderson and its $50M.

That is if they even make the playoffs.
- RickJ

Sharp was at $6 as well.

I've always been someone that finds it hard to join a parade, as in if it seems like most people want Colliton and/or Stan fired - that's reason enough for me to want both of them to stay ... and I always liked the Dave Clark 5 more than the Beatles.