@ guy mentioning Hoffman. Florida is looking to deal him but they are looking for a hockey trade. A roster winger for roster D.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

hmm. Ghost is from FLA

Speaking of Ghost, Fourth Period is claiming that Ghost has been linked to CLB and we've been interested in Wennberg. Also said we'd have to take on a contract which makes it all seem like BS

@ guy mentioning Hoffman. Florida is looking to deal him but they are looking for a hockey trade. A roster winger for roster D.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Ghost (as the centerpiece) for Hoffman would be very hard to pass up. But if I was the Flyers, I'd request permission to discuss an extension first.

Could he make his way back to the AHL?

I guess my only reason would be: If Chris Stewart can do it, why not Richards?
- jmatchett383

Before this year, Stewart played in the NHL as recently as 2017-18. A big deal was made of him playing in the UK last season but reality was a bit different than it being the only place he could play. He had various AHL offers, and actually signed a deal with a KHL team. At the 11th hour, he backed out of the KHL deal for family reasons. When he ultimately decided to go ahead and play somewhere, he went to Nottingham.

That's a bit different than Richards' situation.

hmm. Ghost is from FLA

Speaking of Ghost, Fourth Period is claiming that Ghost has been linked to CLB and we've been interested in Wennberg. Also said we'd have to take on a contract which makes it all seem like BS
- arichardson22

i saw something about this earlier too. looks like wennberg is on IR.

Ghost (as the centerpiece) for Hoffman would be very hard to pass up. But if I was the Flyers, I'd request permission to discuss an extension first.
- jmatchett383

It's tempting. If we acquired Hoffman today, he'd lead our team in Powerplay points and goals, and even strength goals. But Hoffman is 30 and is going to want to cash out on likely his last contract. Guy is a great scorer though. Have always liked him.

@ guy mentioning Hoffman. Florida is looking to deal him but they are looking for a hockey trade. A roster winger for roster D.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

ghost

Before this year, Stewart played in the NHL as recently as 2017-18. A big deal was made of him playing in the UK last season but reality was a bit different than it being the only place he could play. He had various AHL offers, and actually signed a deal with a KHL team. At the 11th hour, he backed out of the KHL deal for family reasons. When he ultimately decided to go ahead and play somewhere, he went to Nottingham.

That's a bit different than Richards' situation.
- bmeltzer

I agree that it is different. But seeing Stewart play this year, I can't imagine that Richards couldn't take a full summer to condition himself and looks much worse than Stewart has this year. Whether a team wants to touch him or not is a different matter.

Before this year, Stewart played in the NHL as recently as 2017-18. A big deal was made of him playing in the UK last season but reality was a bit different than it being the only place he could play. He had various AHL offers, and actually signed a deal with a KHL team. At the 11th hour, he backed out of the KHL deal for family reasons. When he ultimately decided to go ahead and play somewhere, he went to Nottingham.

That's a bit different than Richards' situation.
- bmeltzer

I read somewhere that he chose not to play in the KHL because he didn't like Russian food, probably a joke in hindsight lol. He was still a subpar third liner in the EIHL so I don't see why people still cite him being a previous NHL player as relevant?

I read somewhere that he chose not to play in the KHL because he didn't like Russian food, probably a joke in hindsight lol. He was still a subpar third liner in the EIHL so I don't see why people still cite him being a previous NHL player as relevant?
- HeeroYuy

I wouldn't play in the KHL due to Eastern European infrastructure, or the lack thereof.

I read somewhere that he chose not to play in the KHL because he didn't like Russian food, probably a joke in hindsight lol. He was still a subpar third liner in the EIHL so I don't see why people still cite him being a previous NHL player as relevant?
- HeeroYuy

Had nothing to do with the food. His family didn't want him to go, so he backed out of the deal. He was not in his best physical condition in EIHL. Did OK there from the accounts I've heard, not great but "subpar 3rd liner" isn't close to accurate. It's been a long time for Stewart since he was a "numbers" guy, anyway.

I agree that it is different. But seeing Stewart play this year, I can't imagine that Richards couldn't take a full summer to condition himself and looks much worse than Stewart has this year. Whether a team wants to touch him or not is a different matter.
- jmatchett383

Even when Richards was young, he didn't have a lot of enthusiasm for the conditioning part of the job. Did the minimum expected of him in that area. It was on the rink where he outworked and outcompeted everyone.

Ghost (as the centerpiece) for Hoffman would be very hard to pass up. But if I was the Flyers, I'd request permission to discuss an extension first.
- jmatchett383

If you (or anyone else) had to guess, what do you think Hoffman's next deal will look like if he makes it to FA this offseason? Turned 30 in November, and made $5.2M with his current deal. Last year was his career high in goals (36) & points (70), and he's not too far off that pace so far this year.

I think he would look great on the 3rd line and give the flyers the one element they so severely lack: speed

To each their own
- bulet13

What are you going to have to pay him? When a player goes from scoring 30 goals one season to drastically reduced production the following season, that gives me great pause. So he is a pending RFA, so what will it cost? What are you willing to pay him? Why does Detroit want to trade him?

If you (or anyone else) had to guess, what do you think Hoffman's next deal will look like if he makes it to FA this offseason? Turned 30 in November, and made $5.2M with his current deal. Last year was his career high in goals (36) & points (70), and he's not too far off that pace so far this year.
- Big_E_88

I'm no expert, but I'd think at least 8M+ per year. Skinner just signed for 9M per at the end of last season, but he also scored 40 goals in his contract year.

Had nothing to do with the food. His family didn't want him to go, so he backed out of the deal. He was not in his best physical condition in EIHL. Did OK there from the accounts I've heard, not great but "subpar 3rd liner" isn't close to accurate. It's been a long time for Stewart since he was a "numbers" guy, anyway.
- bmeltzer

Yeh fair enough. I'm going off the accounts of a couple Brits from another hockey site. Still being on the wrong side of 30, not being in shape in a lesser league, and not being a "numbers" guy should all be indicative of where that player's career is at. Idk, signing him above league minimum didn't make sense when it happened, and still doesn't to me.

@ guy mentioning Hoffman. Florida is looking to deal him but they are looking for a hockey trade. A roster winger for roster D.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Ghost. Done

I'm no expert, but I'd think at least 8M+ per year. Skinner just signed for 9M per at the end of last season, but he also scored 40 goals in his contract year.
- Ftown19125

Yeah, $8M seems like a reasonable ballpark number. Being on the wrong side of 30, I'm guessing term may impact the AAV of his next deal. He may be willing to take a little less per for an extra year or two. But I'm sure the bidding will get crazy like it does with all UFAs.

Skinner is 2.5 years younger. So he did have that going for him in addition to the 40 goal season.

Ghost. Done
- SuperSchennBros

If I was Florda Id be aiming higher than Ghost, though I wouldnt say know as a Flyer fan

If I was Florda Id be aiming higher than Ghost, though I wouldnt say know as a Flyer fan
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Agreed. If FLA loses a few more games, decides that they're sellers, and lets it be known around the league that Hoffman is available, then I think they'd have no trouble getting a better return than a package in which Ghost is the main piece.

What are you going to have to pay him? When a player goes from scoring 30 goals one season to drastically reduced production the following season, that gives me great pause. So he is a pending RFA, so what will it cost? What are you willing to pay him? Why does Detroit want to trade him?
- MJL

He plays on by far the worst team in the league and IIRC doesnt usually get to play with players like Larkin or Mantha (could be wrong here). I'm not concerned about the production dropoff as much because, again, noone on the red wings is producing this year. And he had an injury this year. And his PDO this season is 88 (not a perfect statistic I know but his career average is 100 so there is some bad luck at play here)

I think he could help this year and giving up a pick like a 3rd or a 4th rounder isnt that much especially with the prospect pool we have. I'm not as worried about resigning him

Detroit wants to trade him because they've had contentious negotiations in the past and they're tanking

I still say we should have signed Brian Boyle at the start of the season...

If I was Florda Id be aiming higher than Ghost, though I wouldnt say know as a Flyer fan
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

totally agree about florida being able to get a better package. i don't know if i like the idea of trading ghost for a few months of hoffman. i realize his value is at an all time low, but i can't imagine the flyers can sign hoffman for what he'll likely command on the open market, and i don't think he makes them that much more of a contender.

Agreed. If FLA loses a few more games, decides that they're sellers, and lets it be known around the league that Hoffman is available, then I think they'd have no trouble getting a better return than a package in which Ghost is the main piece.
- Big_E_88

I do not necessarily agree with this. I think Ghost would be intriguing for Florida. It might just be a change of scenery that is required for him where he can go to a place with less pressure total on him especially now and in his home state. With Hoffman being a UFA after this year I think Ghost is a pretty nice piece for them for another 2 years. Not sure I would want to trade Ghost for only a few months of Hoffman on the other side of the coin.

He plays on by far the worst team in the league and IIRC doesnt usually get to play with players like Larkin or Mantha (could be wrong here). I'm not concerned about the production dropoff as much because, again, noone on the red wings is producing this year. And he had an injury this year. And his PDO this season is 88 (not a perfect statistic I know but his career average is 100 so there is some bad luck at play here)

I think he could help this year and giving up a pick like a 3rd or a 4th rounder isnt that much especially with the prospect pool we have. I'm not as worried about resigning him

Detroit wants to trade him because they've had contentious negotiations in the past and they're tanking
- bulet13

PDO is a waste of time and it's singling out one stat. You may not be concerned about the drop off but you should be in my opinion. I think you're drastically underestimating what it would cost to acquire him. You didn't address what it would cost to sign him to a new deal. He's a 25 year old player who had a 30 goal season. Tanking teams typically don't trade good young players. If all they could get for him is a 3rd or a 4th, better off keeping him.

The Flyers would be foolish to blow up to the cap to add a player like Hoffman. Same for a player like Anthanisiou. Promote the young players and roll with it. Frost and Farabee should make bigger impacts next season. Like Fletcher said, I doubt Farabee has 4 goals this time next year.