When Murray leaves

1 good prospect
0 top pair D men
0 D depth
0 forward depth
0 goaltending
0 cap space

If Botterill leaves

2 high end prospects
2 top pair D, one franchise D man
Great defense depth
0 forward depth
Bad goaltending
Actual cap space


Yes, these two things are exactly the same!!!
- sbroads24

Cozens, Mitts & 6k all develop into good players,
and we are talking about the Sabres as LEGIT contenders

I personally believe there’s a very good chance that happens

Even if LaFontaine was still here,
whoever the GM is would be making all the personnel decisions
The administrative role a “Pres of Hockey Ops” would not have had us trading for Haula instead of signing MoJo, or drafting Chychrun instead of Nylander, etc etc

Maybe they’d have a say in something big,
like the Skinner signing
But i doubt much else would be been different

Shanahan isn’t making the trades for the a leafs,
is he??
And btw, how’d it work out for them with all those hockey guys in upper mgmt?
- jdfitz77

I agree, he / she wouldn't be making daily decisions.
Why you make that assumption iI don't know, but you certainly projected your thoughts as though that is what I said.

I don't trust Botts enough to give him carte blanche. I'm not convinced he has a great plan as all the Botts Defenders keep hoping he has. I'd like you have a very tried and true executive above him to review thevllan, challenge it, improve it.
If in year three this season is progression, wow, just wow.

Good post

I'd personally rather have foligno and Ennis
I appreciated both those guys as a fan.

Vesey - boo
Sheary - blah
- Boss34

Yeah, i hear ya
But idk that they’re making much of a difference here
And both seemed like they needed a change of scenery- Ennis especially

So it’s just not something I’m gonna factor in all that much

Yeah. Exactly what everyone thought too. Was just about to say it.

Do you have any real life references or is your entire existence based on different TV shows? The 3ER has lots of friends, you can find them all in the TV guide.
- sbroads24

😂😂😂

I agree, he / she wouldn't be making daily decisions.
Why you make that assumption iI don't know, but you certainly projected your thoughts as though that is what I said.

I don't trust Botts enough to give him carte blanche. I'm not convinced he has a great plan as all the Botts Defenders keep hoping he has. I'd like you have a very tried and true executive above him to review thevllan, challenge it, improve it.
If in year three this season is progression, wow, just wow.
- IonSabres

It’s not just you, or specific to your exact posts
It’s seems that ppl think having a “Shanahan” would change things on the ice

I just don’t what everyone thinks a Pres of Hockey Ops actually does?
Bc it’s NOT make trades
It’s NOT sign players
It’s NOT make the nightly lineup
It’s NOT make in game lineup adjustments
It’s NOT hold practices
It’s NOT scout potential draftees
It’s NOT make the picks
It’s NOT develop the players
And on, and on, and on

I know u just said he wouldn’t make the daily decisions
But what EXACTLY do u think a PoHO would do?
Tell Botts to trade Mitts + for a legit 2C?
Tell him not to sign Vesey?
Tell him to trade for Haula?

These are examples of things ppl on here are b!tching about Botts not doing,
So what would LaFontaine (or whoever) have “reviewed & improved” exactly??

Which of the things on here that ppl can’t stop b!tching about would a PoHO step in & force Botts to do??

I’m not saying it’s a horrible idea
I’m actually for it as well
I just don’t think it’s any kind of a “fix”
So it’s not as huge a deal to me as most on here are acting like imo

If only Botts traded Risto for Roslovic...
LIKE SO MANY WANTED...
then we’d be in so much better shape,
right???

It’s not just you, or specific to your exact posts
It’s seems that ppl think having a “Shanahan” would change things on the ice

I just don’t what everyone thinks a Pres of Hockey Ops actually does?
Bc it’s NOT make trades
It’s NOT sign players
It’s NOT make the nightly lineup
It’s NOT make in game lineup adjustments
It’s NOT hold practicesst’s NOT scout potential draftees
It’s NOT make the picks
It’s NOT develop the players
And on, and on, and on

I know u just said he wouldn’t make the daily decisions
But what EXACTLY do u think a PoHO would do?
Tell Botts to trade Mitts + for a legit 2C?
Tell him not to sign Vesey?
Tell him to trade for Haula?

These are examples of things ppl on here are b!tching about Botts not doing,
So what would LaFontaine (or whoever) have “reviewed & improved” exactly??

Which of the things on here that ppl can’t stop b!tching about would a PoHO step in & force Botts to do??

I’m not saying it’s a horrible idea
I’m actually for it as well
I just don’t think it’s any kind of a “fix”
So it’s not as huge a deal to me as most on here are acting like imo
- jdfitz77

Well, as a VP, if I took a plan I developed to the President of my company, and said Plan had a glaring hole in it and the proposed solution was based on hope that an unseen / unevaluated product would fill that hole...I'd expect a pretty detailed discussion around it, other options and would further expect to go back and figure out a good solution with low risk.
If I came back the next year with the same hole, and same BS non-answer, I'd expect to be fired.

Not sure if you have had the opportunity to develop strategy with various plans, risk assessments, mitigation plans, etc...all standard planning tools, but it is essential in every business.

The look from the outside is there is piss poor planning going on with the on-ice product, not too mention in other areas of the organization which are out of Jason's control , but represent very strong evidence the organization is pretty sloppy and running by the seat of their collective pants.

I would expect a PoHO to reel it in big time and have high quality standards met, or someone new gets the opportunity.

Clearly, it ain't working in Buffal, they are the joke around the league...you should listen to radio shows from around the country, including NHL station on serious XM.

It’s not just you, or specific to your exact posts
It’s seems that ppl think having a “Shanahan” would change things on the ice

I just don’t what everyone thinks a Pres of Hockey Ops actually does?
Bc it’s NOT make trades
It’s NOT sign players
It’s NOT make the nightly lineup
It’s NOT make in game lineup adjustments
It’s NOT hold practices
It’s NOT scout potential draftees
It’s NOT make the picks
It’s NOT develop the players
And on, and on, and on

I know u just said he wouldn’t make the daily decisions
But what EXACTLY do u think a PoHO would do?
Tell Botts to trade Mitts + for a legit 2C?
Tell him not to sign Vesey?
Tell him to trade for Haula?

These are examples of things ppl on here are b!tching about Botts not doing,
So what would LaFontaine (or whoever) have “reviewed & improved” exactly??

Which of the things on here that ppl can’t stop b!tching about would a PoHO step in & force Botts to do??

I’m not saying it’s a horrible idea
I’m actually for it as well
I just don’t think it’s any kind of a “fix”
So it’s not as huge a deal to me as most on here are acting like imo
- jdfitz77

Well, judging by the stories on here about the last guy, all they really do is grab kids and caressingly massage their shoulders in a Lockportian way.

Figure head.

Well, as a VP, if I took a plan I developed to the President of my company, and said Plan had a glaring hole in it and the proposed solution was based on hope that an unseen / unevaluated product would fill that hole...I'd expect a pretty detailed discussion around it, other options and would further expect to go back and figure out a good solution with low risk.
If I came back the next year with the same hole, and same BS non-answer, I'd expect to be fired.

Not sure if you have had the opportunity to develop strategy with various plans, risk assessments, mitigation plans, etc...all standard planning tools, but it is essential in every business.

The look from the outside is there is piss poor planning going on with the on-ice product, not too mention in other areas of the organization which are out of Jason's control , but represent very strong evidence the organization is pretty sloppy and running by the seat of their collective pants.

I would expect a PoHO to reel it in big time and have high quality standards met, or someone new gets the opportunity.

Clearly, it ain't working in Buffal, they are the joke around the league...you should listen to radio shows from around the country, including NHL station on serious XM.
- IonSabres

This was all extremely generic

What EXACTLY would a PoHO have made Botts do this summer?

I love when I read an article and our GM is talking about our ECHL team. Wake the F up moron.

https://www.nhl.com/news/...c-314413996?tid=281396148

I love Ovi.

Probably my most favorite non-Sabres player ever. Can't hate on a guy for this, all Kobe jokes from the other day aside.

I love when I read an article and our GM is talking about our ECHL team. Wake the F up moron.
- SABRES 89

He gets another mulligan because of Ullmark. Probably has Terry convinced we were gonna make a run to the finals this season until Ully the Goalie went down.

"What's he done wrong?"

We're all Duane.

https://wgr550.radio.com/...9-hr-3-schopp-the-bulldog

We're all Duane.

https://wgr550.radio.com/...9-hr-3-schopp-the-bulldog
- TheSabresTaco

Duane has problems. He ties that much happiness to a bunch of grown men playing a kids game? He's probably never had anything go wrong in his life, or maybe everything has gone wrong and that's all he's got left.

I love when I read an article and our GM is talking about our ECHL team. Wake the F up moron.
- SABRES 89

Duane has problems. He ties that much happiness to a bunch of grown men playing a kids game? He's probably never had anything go wrong in his life, or maybe everything has gone wrong and that's all he's got left.
- Wetbandit1

he may be a little more passionate than we are, but isn't that why we're all here? Because we expect more out of a hockey team than what these people continue to allow to be a product? Every (frank)ing year? It's such horsepoop.

I love when I read an article and our GM is talking about our ECHL team. Wake the F up moron.
- SABRES 89

If you want to listen to a little league softball practice, here you go.

https://wgr550.radio.com/...1-28-hr-1-the-instigators

between 2-18 minutes

he may be a little more passionate than we are, but isn't that why we're all here? Because we expect more out of a hockey team than what these people continue to allow to be a product? Every (frank)ing year? It's such horsepoop.
- TheSabresTaco

from this day on, money is no longer an issue with the sabres

from this day on, money is no longer an issue with the sabres


- homiedclown

Then spend it. On people who know what the (frank) they're doing.

The trade deadline article in The Athletic focuses on the Sen’s Borowiecki.

Prime example of money being able to buy anything.

This was all extremely generic

What EXACTLY would a PoHO have made Botts do this summer?
- jdfitz77

It might be generic, because the role likely differ from organization to organization, else every team in every league would have a standard organizational structure, including President of (insert sport here) Operations.

In the case of the Sabres organization that is stumbling and fumbling at the top, and a young inexperienced NHL GM, and nothing in between; hopefully that President would be a very, very experienced Hockey Ops guy who would leverage that experience and have the latitude to define the specific responsibilities.

In general, as I understand it, the Position Summary would be to serve as a sounding board, a voice of sober second thought, an experienced hockey mind that understands the current climate of the NHL. That is the key, using PROVEN experience and having a solid track record DEMONSTRATING consistent good judgement, he would set the Strategy, the Direction of the organization, the structure of the organization, the investments needed. He would be front of the media to sell a message, for example explaining their rebuilding effort — or to deal directly on a one-on-one basis with ownership.

The last point, for example would have been key in the ROR trade, as one example. To have the power to stand up to the owners when the get too involved in franchise altering on-ice decisions that set the club back 3 years or more and help them realize the dire impact of emotional decisions.

As far as the roster, no he wouldn't be working trades for AHL contracts. He would review the detailed Roster Plans for the current season, 1 year, 3 years, 5 years. Asking the very tough questions...because he has lived once, twice, 10 times before.

I don't have the day to day job duties, nor does any organization have the same duties to that position...that is the point. Your ask is ridiculous.

Well Boy's it's been fun, gotta get up early, having some more surgery on my (frank)ing Shoulder tomorrow morning.
- Buff36

I wish you the best man. So far my PT has gone well and additional scans looking good. Sorry to hear you have to go through it again.

corona virus gonna wipe us al out


over 7,000 cases already known in china way more then sars



wash your hands, and drink your whiskey
- homiedclown

The flu kills more people. 15 million new cases this winter and over 8,000 deaths from it.

Good times.

I love when I read an article and our GM is talking about our ECHL team. Wake the F up moron.
- SABRES 89

Or he talks about Elie and Slobotka.