I worked with my buddy at Real Sports Bar and Grill and when he quit, he rage quit, because the Chefs were douche bags. Was called into the office and was told poop he didn't need to hear, so he flipped on the head chef, walked out flipping every single person off, and saying "(frank) this, (frank) all y'all, I'm out".

Pretty much this-



I think McGregor fought Khabib at the worst possible time (for him).

He had to gain weight for the stupid boxing match, was caught up in the circus of it all, and was acting like an idiot before the fight with Khabib. Tossing chairs at Khabib's bus.

I think if he can get back to where he was, he'd beat Khabib.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I would love to walk out like this also ... especially in a dress, so damn random



Bold call on Macgregor over Khabib

Buddy just missed a breakaway in Basketball.

Next time I get pissed off that the contracts for our guys weren't great (Still don't love them), I will remember the Skinner contract... or the Price contract!
- Aetherial

Or the Ryan Johanson, Duchene contracts and many more.

It's called a "Matthews"
- Aetherial

Honest question, how many does Matthews have? 3? His 40th and the one last game. Does he have another?

I know Hyman, Brown (when he was a Leaf), ECHL, and Laine have a (frank)ton.

Zaitsev 1st goal of the season. Empty net.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Meh, it doesn't matter. He's a defensive specialist.

I would love to walk out like this also ... especially in a dress, so damn random



Bold call on Macgregor over Khabib
- Aetherial

Honestly, if McGregor can get back to himself, I really don't think it's all that bold. Could see it being like the Aldo fight (not as quick or anything, though. Just as "upset-y").

McGregor got hella gassed in the last fight between them and I think most of that was because of the weight differences he was doing. If he can get his cardio back, he'd fare much better.

It's called a "Matthews"
- Aetherial

He has gotten a few lately hasn't he? Hasn't he had a couple recently? At least he hasn't scored any on his own net yet.

Honestly, if McGregor can get back to himself, I really don't think it's all that bold. Could see it being like the Aldo fight (not as quick or anything, though. Just as "upset-y").

McGregor got hella gassed in the last fight between them and I think most of that was because of the weight differences he was doing. If he can get his cardio back, he'd fare much better.
- GreatGigInTheSky

It's gotta be really tricky trying to move up or down a weight class. You're in the weight class you're in because it's the best weight for you (or it should be), so moving up or down is going to be difficult to do in a way that keeps you in good fighting form.

Sabres...
- Woderwick

Suck

Honest question, how many does Matthews have? 3? His 40th and the one last game. Does he have another?

I know Hyman, Brown (when he was a Leaf), ECHL, and Laine have a (frank)ton.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I would guess he has very few. Seems to me he hasn't been on the ice a lot at the end of the game in that situation

Honestly, if McGregor can get back to himself, I really don't think it's all that bold. Could see it being like the Aldo fight (not as quick or anything, though. Just as "upset-y").

McGregor got hella gassed in the last fight between them and I think most of that was because of the weight differences he was doing. If he can get his cardio back, he'd fare much better.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Man, I dunno. Khabib rocked him with a punch and dominated him on the ground. The thing I can't get past is that he has done that to everyone. His fights are not close.

Touched a nerve lol
A whole .135 ppg down from his first year during an injury year.
OMG!
Leaf fans expecting too much from a player.
Crazy
- Fakepartofme

As you pointed out, he hasn’t gotten better offensively, and by just watching he clearly isn’t better defensively.

Expecting too much? Yes, I wish he was in the running for the Norris this year. Trade the bust for a 7th.

As you pointed out, he hasn’t gotten better offensively, and by just watching he clearly isn’t better defensively.

Expecting too much? Yes, I wish he was in the running for the Norris this year. Trade the bust for a 7th.
- Steven_Seagull

He's played just over a season and a half worth of total games in the NHL in his career. What's the realistic level of progression for a young defenseman in that timeframe?

This is without even considering that a big chunk of defenseman at his age are still in the minors having not played a single NHL game.

By that logic auston matthews had barely shown progression by that point in his career.

He's played just over a season and a half worth of total games in the NHL in his career. What's the realistic level of progression for a young defenseman in that timeframe?

This is without even considering that a big chunk of defenseman at his age are still in the minors having not played a single NHL game.

By that logic auston matthews had barely shown progression by that point in his career.
- joel878

.84 PPG in Year 1 to 1 PPG in Year 2. Seems like progress to me. Great comparison.


You changed my mind. Dermott is (frank)ing awesome. Best young D in the league. Forget making a trade, just give Dermott more minutes. Sure he hasn’t look good in an increased role, but hey, can’t say anything negative about the new golden boy.

Rielly-Dermott is a top pairing that rivals Lidstrom-Rafalski






...should’ve drafted Carlo.

Acciari for CyYoung
18-3

.84 PPG in Year 1 to 1 PPG in Year 2. Seems like progress to me. Great comparison.


You changed my mind. Dermott is (frank)ing awesome. Best young D in the league. Forget making a trade, just give Dermott more minutes. Sure he hasn’t look good in an increased role, but hey, can’t say anything negative about the new golden boy.

Rielly-Dermott is a top pairing that rivals Lidstrom-Rafalski






...should’ve drafted Carlo.
- Steven_Seagull

I don't see the need to be so overdramatic. Holy poop, no one said he was lidstrom. It's a pretty juvenile look when one can't respond to someone rationally just because they didn't have an opinion.

I asked what kind of progression should be expected. So you grabbed the Matthews example (not a defenseman) and decided that .16 PPG is the requirement? Have we determined that's the level of progression required for a young defenseman to not be a bust?

Despite your assumption, I have zero problem trading Dermott under the right circumstances. However, determining he's busted because he hasn't grown enough having barely sniffed the league is not the right circumstance.

I used to have a lot of respect for your opinion, but these over the top responses when someone sees something differently combined with the endless dramatic sarcastic assessments really says nothing aside from you being a petulant child who should be disregarded.

.84 PPG in Year 1 to 1 PPG in Year 2. Seems like progress to me. Great comparison.


You changed my mind. Dermott is (frank)ing awesome. Best young D in the league. Forget making a trade, just give Dermott more minutes. Sure he hasn’t look good in an increased role, but hey, can’t say anything negative about the new golden boy.

Rielly-Dermott is a top pairing that rivals Lidstrom-Rafalski






...should’ve drafted Carlo.
- Steven_Seagull

Sebastian Aho

Sebastian Aho
- LeafGuy89

Leafs have enough forwards. Carlo would’ve been a perfect fit along Rielly.

I don't see the need to be so overdramatic. Holy poop, no one said he was lidstrom. It's a pretty juvenile look when one can't respond to someone rationally just because they didn't have an opinion.

I asked what kind of progression should be expected. So you grabbed the Matthews example (not a defenseman) and decided that .16 PPG is the requirement? Have we determined that's the level of progression required for a young defenseman to not be a bust?

Despite your assumption, I have zero problem trading Dermott under the right circumstances. However, determining he's busted because he hasn't grown enough having barely sniffed the league is not the right circumstance.

I used to have a lot of respect for your opinion, but these over the top responses when someone sees something differently combined with the endless dramatic sarcastic assessments really says nothing aside from you being a petulant child who should be disregarded.
- joel878

Teams to score watch from here on out.

Tampa
Florida
Islanders
CBJ
Carolina
Philadelphia

Fml, so many teams

Leafs have enough forwards. Carlo would’ve been a perfect fit along Rielly.
- Steven_Seagull

Yeah but it doesnt hurt having that asset to acquire an even better defenseman than Carlo.

I would've been happy with Carlo though still.

I don't see the need to be so overdramatic. Holy poop, no one said he was lidstrom. It's a pretty juvenile look when one can't respond to someone rationally just because they didn't have an opinion.

I asked what kind of progression should be expected. So you grabbed the Matthews example (not a defenseman) and decided that .16 PPG is the requirement? Have we determined that's the level of progression required for a young defenseman to not be a bust?

Despite your assumption, I have zero problem trading Dermott under the right circumstances. However, determining he's busted because he hasn't grown enough having barely sniffed the league is not the right circumstance.

I used to have a lot of respect for your opinion, but these over the top responses when someone sees something differently combined with the endless dramatic sarcastic assessments really says nothing aside from you being a petulant child who should be disregarded.
- joel878

Just giving back what’s sent my way. Apparently thinking Dermott should be able to handle top-4 minutes and not look like crap while doing so is “expecting too much.”

He doesn’t put up points, he isn’t that good defensively, he doesn’t play on the special teams. What is his purpose on this team? When Muzzin got hurt, Marincin was playing with Holl on the 2nd pair, while Dermott was getting the least amount minutes. Keefe didn’t/doesn’t trust him in a top-4 role. And as we can clearly see, Keefe wasn’t/isn’t wrong.



Edit: also, if you can’t handle sarcasm, the internet isn’t for you.

Just giving back what’s sent my way. Apparently thinking Dermott should be able to handle top-4 minutes and not look like crap while doing so is “expecting too much.”

He doesn’t put up points, he isn’t that good defensively, he doesn’t play on the special teams. What is his purpose on this team? When Muzzin got hurt, Marincin was playing with Holl on the 2nd pair, while Dermott was getting the least amount minutes. Keefe didn’t/doesn’t trust him in a top-4 role. And as we can clearly see, Keefe wasn’t/isn’t wrong.



Edit: also, if you can’t handle sarcasm, the internet isn’t for you.
- Steven_Seagull

Expecting every defender to be good enough for 1st or 2nd pair in their third year (when the first was only 37 games and the second is injury plagued) is expecting too much.

I doubt he ever puts up a ton of points. But he can be physical at times and I think he can at least improve defensively.
What kind of defender are most people saying the Leafs need? Someone like Muzzin, who is mean and solid defensively. What Dermott could possibly turn into. If we just keep him for another year or two and are patient with his development.
Maybe he'll even improve his offense too.

No one is saying we shouldn't trade him if a slam dunk deal comes along and he needs to be in it.

All others are saying is that it's a bit early to expect that he's already as good as he'll ever get. If we don't get some great deal and need to get rid of him as a trade chip or simply for cap concerns, keep him and see if he develops some more.

Expecting every defender to be good enough for 1st or 2nd pair in their third year (when the first was only 37 games and the second is injury plagued) is expecting too much.

I doubt he ever puts up a ton of points. But he can be physical at times and I think he can at least improve defensively.
What kind of defender are most people saying the Leafs need? Someone like Muzzin, who is mean and solid defensively. What Dermott could possibly turn into. If we just keep him for another year or two and are patient with his development.
Maybe he'll even improve his offense too.

No one is saying we shouldn't trade him if a slam dunk deal comes along and he needs to be in it.

All others are saying is that it's a bit early to expect that he's already as good as he'll ever get. If we don't get some great deal and need to get rid of him as a trade chip or simply for cap concerns, keep him and see if he develops some more.
- Thecakeisalie

There’s no point taking this any further if the Dermott Defenders are just going to ignore what is actually being said.


He’s good in a sheltered role, hasn’t impressed when given a larger role. Still young enough that he can improve. If he stays I hope he develops into the player I think he can become, a reliable all-around top-4 defender with an edge. Has value in a trade to get someone who can step into the top pair with Rielly right away.



I expected more from you. I guess the cake wasn’t the only lie.

There’s no point taking this any further if the Dermott Defenders are just going to ignore what is actually being said.


He’s good in a sheltered role, hasn’t impressed when given a larger role. Still young enough that he can improve. If he stays I hope he develops into the player I think he can become, a reliable all-around top-4 defender with an edge. Has value in a trade to get someone who can step into the top pair with Rielly right away.



I expected more from you. I guess the cake wasn’t the only lie.
- Steven_Seagull

Getting melodramatic again bird.

So you agree he can still improve. In which case, he might develop into the player we probably want.

Yeah, he's not the player we need, right now. No one said as much.
So it's a question of are we willing to pay the extra necessary to get an upgrade right now, rather than perhaps being patient? And that all comes down to just how much more it would cost.