Why?
- Steven_Seagull

Cause it's Max? Maybe he'll be in a package for Hintz.

So you think he has good value, but isn't that good? The salary concern I get, but if you guys think he is a third pairing guy at best, why is anyone going to trade good assets for him? What do you realistically think we'd get for him?
- Thecakeisalie

Fans think other GMs only remember his play from last year and feel like can sweet talk a GM into a reclamation project.

So you think he has good value, but isn't that good? The salary concern I get, but if you guys think he is a third pairing guy at best, why is anyone going to trade good assets for him? What do you realistically think we'd get for him?
- Thecakeisalie

ffs

please read what I said. I said he is a young D who hasn't improved much at all the past few years. I said he still has upside but is a 3rd pairing d who is about to get paid a big boy contract. Instead of the Leafs paying him 2.5 million to play on the 3rd pairing include him in a package to upgrade the D.

Why does he have value? A team with cap space like a rebuilding team who want young players with potential would want him.

Ceci is the name Jake Gardiner

Please trade him....


trade him somewhere for a bag of Oreos

Leafs win the Cup this year....
you heard here first

If Robertson doesn't make the Leafs next season which I doubt he will.

Wouldn't it be best for his development to join a college or university team instead of another year in the OHL.

Or is he under contract with the Pete's still I don't know how any of that works lol.
- LeafGuy89

He probably has to play in the OHL another year. He'll play for USA at the WJC again as well. Peterborough finally has a good team. If they falter, they trade him to a top team hopefully and he goes to compete for the mem cup.

Hopefully Ottawa beats Buffalo. I know they aren't really to much of a threat when it comes to playoffs, but it would be nice not having to worry about another team in the standings.

So you think he has good value, but isn't that good? The salary concern I get, but if you guys think he is a third pairing guy at best, why is anyone going to trade good assets for him? What do you realistically think we'd get for him?
- Thecakeisalie

He’s not a top-4 D right now. Leafs need one right now. Dermott is replaceable as the 3LD because of Sandin. If Muzzin re-signs, and he should, as no one else does what he can, where does Dermott go? 3RD? Then what about Liljegren?

Dermott+ for Manson. That will allow the forward group to stay intact while improving the D. Then trade one of the forwards (Johnsson/Kapanen/Kerfoot) in the off-season.

He’s not a top-4 D right now. Leafs need one right now. Dermott is replaceable as the 3LD because of Sandin. If Muzzin re-signs, and he should, as no one else does what he can, where does Dermott go? 3RD? Then what about Liljegren?

Dermott+ for Manson. That will allow the forward group to stay intact while improving the D. Then trade one of the forwards (Johnsson/Kapanen/Kerfoot) in the off-season.
- Steven_Seagull

Any team who is trading a top 4 D is starting with Kapanen.

Dermott would be the add on that actually has value...not this 2021 2nd round pick nonsense

He’s not a top-4 D right now. Leafs need one right now. Dermott is replaceable as the 3LD because of Sandin. If Muzzin re-signs, and he should, as no one else does what he can, where does Dermott go? 3RD? Then what about Liljegren?

Dermott+ for Manson. That will allow the forward group to stay intact while improving the D. Then trade one of the forwards (Johnsson/Kapanen/Kerfoot) in the off-season.
- Steven_Seagull

I can’t see trading him JMO, and I’m hoping we can sign him cheap. He’s not even played 2 seasons worth of games, he’s worth keeping I think..unless a trade knocks your socks right off your claws.

Any team who is trading a top 4 D is starting with Kapanen.

Dermott would be the add on that actually has value...not this 2021 2nd round pick nonsense
- Santo_44

With Mikheyev out, I want a forward back if Kapanen is traded. I think someone mentioned Manson + Richie. I’m in. Do it for Cherry.

I can’t see trading him JMO, and I’m hoping we can sign him cheap. He’s not even played 2 seasons worth of games, he’s worth keeping I think..unless a trade knocks your socks right off your claws.
- Garnie

8 years @ 700k

ffs

please read what I said. I said he is a young D who hasn't improved much at all the past few years. I said he still has upside but is a 3rd pairing d who is about to get paid a big boy contract. Instead of the Leafs paying him 2.5 million to play on the 3rd pairing include him in a package to upgrade the D.

Why does he have value? A team with cap space like a rebuilding team who want young players with potential would want him.
- Santo_44

Absolutely agree with you on every point.

With the emergence of Sandin (yes, yes - it's only been 10 games) and the potential resigning of Muzzin it pushes Dermott into a questionable position with the Leafs moving forward on the left side.

Dermott has potential but does not fit on a contending team that is looking to win now. He still has upside but won't be able to fulfill that promise playing a diminished role on a contender (like the Leafs).

Wouldn't be surprised if Dermott is part of a package at the TDL for a defensive upgrade (Manson? Dillon?).

I like Dermott enough but I wouldn't be sad to see him go if it means we're bolstering our d with some much needed size and grit and....

... truculence.

8 years @ 700k
- Steven_Seagull

I was thinking like $800k so he gets paid more then Marincin.

Can we get 12 years with the exceptional status?

I was thinking like $800k so he gets paid more then Marincin.

Can we get 12 years with the exceptional status?
- Garnie

No. He has to live with that. Maybe it motivates him. Or maybe it crushes his soul into nothingness.

No. He has to live with that. Maybe it motivates him. Or maybe it crushes his soul into nothingness.
- Steven_Seagull

Absolutely agree with you on every point.

With the emergence of Sandin (yes, yes - it's only been 10 games) and the potential resigning of Muzzin it pushes Dermott into a questionable position with the Leafs moving forward on the left side.

Dermott has potential but does not fit on a contending team that is looking to win now. He still has upside but won't be able to fulfill that promise playing a diminished role on a contender (like the Leafs).

Wouldn't be surprised if Dermott is part of a package at the TDL for a defensive upgrade (Manson? Dillon?).

I like Dermott enough but I wouldn't be sad to see him go if it means we're bolstering our d with some much needed size and grit and....

... truculence.
- mjones242

Bad intentions?

Absolutely agree with you on every point.

With the emergence of Sandin (yes, yes - it's only been 10 games) and the potential resigning of Muzzin it pushes Dermott into a questionable position with the Leafs moving forward on the left side.

Dermott has potential but does not fit on a contending team that is looking to win now. He still has upside but won't be able to fulfill that promise playing a diminished role on a contender (like the Leafs).

Wouldn't be surprised if Dermott is part of a package at the TDL for a defensive upgrade (Manson? Dillon?).

I like Dermott enough but I wouldn't be sad to see him go if it means we're bolstering our d with some much needed size and grit and....

... truculence.
- mjones242

I think the hype of Ritchie is over...I think his value around the league is a 3rd line winger so he shouldn't be too hard to add in the deal.

But yeah, no one ever talks about Dermott as a trade chip but I think he absolutely is. When a team trades away a D with term don't they not want to get a decent potential replacement?

Am I the only one that doesn't mind his game and sees more of a slump for a younger D man??

I think it's a little too early. Would like to see one more season of growth first.
- underhill14

I find that all defenseman have hit their ceiling by 23.

Wait. That never (frank)ing happens, ever.

I find that all defenseman have hit their ceiling by 23.

Wait. That never (frank)ing happens, ever.
- joel878

This. 100%

I find that all defenseman have hit their ceiling by 23.

Wait. That never (frank)ing happens, ever.
- joel878

What about Luke Schenn?

What about Luke Schenn?
- Zezel

Exemption granted by way of getting Ron Wilson'd as a teenager.

Could it be that people expected progression and have since failed to see much, if any, and are thus disappointed?

nah, flavour of month. The mediator has spoken.
- Steven_Seagull

Touched a nerve lol
A whole .135 ppg down from his first year during an injury year.
OMG!
Leaf fans expecting too much from a player.
Crazy

Any trade roomers?



Also......Not first
- PatC80

Touched a nerve lol
A whole .135 ppg down from his first year during an injury year.
OMG!
Leaf fans expecting too much from a player.
Crazy
- Fakepartofme

Not to mention how ridiculous it looks that this debate is occurring over the first 10 games of a players career?

Like driving down the road looking at cows to pick a steak.

The problem is his lack of improvement and poor showings when being trusted with anything above sheltered mins.

He’s young, there is still time but I think it’s safe to think less from him than we did a few years ago.
- Santo_44

Or maybe as per usual, people thought too highly of him.
Hes played 135 nhl games. Most nhlers dont have a progress scale that shoot upwards every year.
They have ups and downs.
Happens