You (and others) make a good argument for him... and I still think we're gonna need DeSmith. It is sounding like only a matter of time before JR trades that pick... IMHO I'd go for Kreider... I like his speed and size combination, something I think the Pens could use down the stretch.
- Cousinskrid

I don't believe the Rangers will trade with the Pens. There were rumors floating around a few years ago that a deal was in place between Gorton and JR and Sather got involved and squashed it.

Even without this rumor, I don't view the Rangers as much different than the Flyers. They're not going to help a division rival.

FWIW.... I'd like to keep DeSmith too. Entirely replaceable tho. I can't imagine he'd be an integral part of any trade.

I think there's a way they keep both for a few years. They're both RFA. Id like to see them both with a combined 8ish cap hit...something like 5ish for Murray and 3ish for Jarry.
- MattStrat

I thought Murray already stated he wanted in the 7-8 mil range? I say no thanks to that. Jarry is proof you dont need to pay him that. Imo of course

I don't believe the Rangers will trade with the Pens. There were rumors floating around a few years ago that a deal was in place between Gorton and JR and Sather got involved and squashed it.

Even without this rumor, I don't view the Rangers as much different than the Flyers. They're not going to help a division rival.

FWIW.... I'd like to keep DeSmith too. Entirely replaceable tho. I can't imagine he'd be an integral part of any trade.
- madmike71

I keep DeSmith too just because I firmly believe that the remainder of this season and the playoffs decide Murray's fate with us. If he can't rebound and retake the net from Jarry they might go the cheaper route of bridge dealing Jarry and bringing DeSmith back up and trade Murray.

I thought Murray already stated he wanted in the 7-8 mil range? I say no thanks to that. Jarry is proof you dont need to pay him that. Imo of course
- nateca44

Murray said what he wanted? Thats news to me. I certainly dont want to give him that much. Could go 5.5mill/2.5mill or 6/2 for a few years to be around that 8ish combined mark. Murray will probably want term though.

I don't believe the Rangers will trade with the Pens. There were rumors floating around a few years ago that a deal was in place between Gorton and JR and Sather got involved and squashed it.

Even without this rumor, I don't view the Rangers as much different than the Flyers. They're not going to help a division rival.

FWIW.... I'd like to keep DeSmith too. Entirely replaceable tho. I can't imagine he'd be an integral part of any trade.
- madmike71

All good points, especially potential moves within the Met. I happen to prefer Kreider based on a couple things... one, his perceived availability, and two, his rare speed/size combo. Right now, the Caps are the Pens' biggest impediment, not to mention the best team in the league and Met. And they're BIG. Kreider would be an awesome addition in this regard, IMO. As for DeSmith, due to MM's fragility, I see DeSmith on the bench again before the season is out. In this regard, I see him as a better choice than any other similar goalie. Team familiarity/chemistry/system, etc.

They have similar 5v5 production over the last three seasons. Identical in assists and Zucker has the edge in goals by 3. Zucker is a puck hawk and strong on the back check. He's very disruptive and a pain to play against. Kreider is the power forward. IMO I'd rather use the assets on the player with term than the pure rental.
- burgh4life87

Agree, have to go with the extra 2 years. I like Kreider, but other options make more sense either because of term or acquisition cost.

If we want to pry a big physical top 6 forward, I'd find out what the cost is to buy low on Josh Anderson. Jackets don't want to pay his next contract and need to recoup sone assets from last year so may move him despite playoff push. He has struggled though this year so it might not be a fit if they still want a ton.

So, with that being said, Do you feel confident the Pens see Jarry as a backup? Or are they going to explore trading one of the 2 in the off season? No way they keep both right?
- nateca44

They could go to arbitration with Murray and keep him for another year. It would be a high price for a back-up and the better route is to probably get sone assets for him in the off-season, but it's a route they could take if they want the depth for another run or aren't completely sold on Jarry.

Just a useless stat I find amusing.

Tyler Seguin at 5v5 this season
6 goals, 13 assists, 7 primary assists

Dominik Simon
6 goals, 13 assists, 7 primary assists

Agree, have to go with the extra 2 years. I like Kreider, but other options make more sense either because of term or acquisition cost.

If we want to pry a big physical top 6 forward, I'd find out what the cost is to buy low on Josh Anderson. Jackets don't want to pay his next contract and need to recoup sone assets from last year so may move him despite playoff push. He has struggled though this year so it might not be a fit if they still want a ton.
- Tojo.

That is an offseason move though IMO.

Just a useless stat I find amusing.

Tyler Seguin at 5v5 this season
6 goals, 13 assists, 7 primary assists

Dominik Simon
6 goals, 13 assists, 7 primary assists
- burgh4life87

Didn’t know Seguin was having such a bad season.

https://twitter.com/Taylo...tatus/1222504918654676993
- stowerkraut

😍 thanks for sharing

Yah, this is a really positive boost for him. He won't make the team for another 2 years but he is going to be legit.
- burgh4life87

Why not? It isn't impossible for a 19 year old, especially one who's physically mature and showing this type of groqth. I give him a shot. Can't plan for it, but I won't be surprised at all if he forces his way on the team.

That is an offseason move though IMO.
- burgh4life87

For who? For Jackets, they know they get a better return now because a team controls him past this year, which is why they're weighing it.

For anyone else, he's a RFA with one year left so you can extend him, bring him back for one more year, flip him in the off-season, or just cut him. If the price is right, I'm interested though he's not at the top of my list and the price from CBJ likely won't be right.

Didn’t know Seguin was having such a bad season.
- Victoro311

Thats his 5 on 5...he has 37 points in 49 games.

Simon only has 1 PPP

Thats his 5 on 5...he has 37 points in 49 games.
- MattStrat

You right. I didn’t read.

😍 thanks for sharing



Why not? It isn't impossible for a 19 year old, especially one who's physically mature and showing this type of groqth. I give him a shot. Can't plan for it, but I won't be surprised at all if he forces his way on the team.
- Tojo.

He’ll be traded. Don’t get attached.

😍 thanks for sharing



Why not? It isn't impossible for a 19 year old, especially one who's physically mature and showing this type of groqth. I give him a shot. Can't plan for it, but I won't be surprised at all if he forces his way on the team.
- Tojo.

I didn't think Poulin or Legare looked over-matched in the preseason. Yeah, I know the competition isn't great, but they physically looked like they belonged. Skating might be an issue, but both looked like men capable of handling the physicality. I thought Legare looked great. Went to the tough spots and got shots on net. Trying to remember... I think Poulin's skating looked a little more "ready" than Legare's. I'm intrigued by both because I think they both have NHL qualities even if they have flaws that might limit their production. Legare's hands looked legit from what I remember.

Addisson was the guy that I thought looked like he was further away. The speed and physicality seemed to overwhelm him.

Just my impressions. I watched every available preseason game.

Thats his 5 on 5...he has 37 points in 49 games.

Simon only has 1 PPP
- MattStrat

Yes, but still. That type of production from such a high quality player at 5v5 isn't great. It's the names that make it funny. It is completely irrelevant though.

Didn’t know Seguin was having such a bad season.
- Victoro311

Benn isn’t have a great year either, not a bad year, but definitely after taking dip last year he’s continuing to regress.

Yes, but still. That type of production from such a high quality player at 5v5 isn't great. It's the names that make it funny. It is completely irrelevant though.
- burgh4life87

I agree...they have pretty much identical 5 on 5 stats, Simon doesnt get top PP time....and there's an 8.1 million dollar cap hit difference hahah

Murray said what he wanted? Thats news to me. I certainly dont want to give him that much. Could go 5.5mill/2.5mill or 6/2 for a few years to be around that 8ish combined mark. Murray will probably want term though.
- MattStrat

I honestly can’t see Murray taking less than $6.5 and can probably get $7 elsewhere. I still want to see how Jarry finishes the season. His numbers have dipped a little his last few games, so it’s hard to tell if it’s just a couple mediocre games or him regressing to what he is.

I’m curious to see how things shake out in February; it isn’t an easy month.

For who? For Jackets, they know they get a better return now because a team controls him past this year, which is why they're weighing it.

For anyone else, he's a RFA with one year left so you can extend him, bring him back for one more year, flip him in the off-season, or just cut him. If the price is right, I'm interested though he's not at the top of my list and the price from CBJ likely won't be right.
- Tojo.

I meant for us. Right now adding another RFA to the mix is going to be difficult. We have 6 arbitration eligible guys with not a lot a wiggle room. I think adding a more veteran consistent player at this point is more important than taking a chance on a young guy rebounding.

I honestly can’t see Murray taking less than $6.5 and can probably get $7 elsewhere. I still want to see how Jarry finishes the season. His numbers have dipped a little his last few games, so it’s hard to tell if it’s just a couple mediocre games or him regressing to what he is.

I’m curious to see how things shake out in February; it isn’t an easy month.
- Rinosaur

I think its injuries/JJ on the 1st pair, mainly.


And fine....6.5 for Murray and 1.5 for Jarry on a bridge haha....

😍 thanks for sharing



Why not? It isn't impossible for a 19 year old, especially one who's physically mature and showing this type of groqth. I give him a shot. Can't plan for it, but I won't be surprised at all if he forces his way on the team.
- Tojo.

I just figured with our forward depth he would be best suited playing his final season in the Q. Captaining again and working on his scoring ability. Right now though he is 6th in PPG and just a beast as a two way player.

I think its injuries/JJ on the 1st pair, mainly.


And fine....6.5 for Murray and 1.5 for Jarry on a bridge haha....
- MattStrat

Murray has dealt with the same pairings as of late and had better results. Sometimes a goalie just has stretches of off play. Because we don't know what we have in Jarry there are more questions than assumptions.

And yes, $8M combined for those two guys would be amazing, but if Jarry looks like the real deal by the end of the season there's no way that contract happens. He'll take the Pens to the cleaners in arb, not to mention at the $3.5M he's likely to get it wouldn't cost a team that much in picks to offer-sheet him.

I just figured with our forward depth he would be best suited playing his final season in the Q. Captaining again and working on his scoring ability. Right now though he is 6th in PPG and just a beast as a two way player.
- burgh4life87

I think both going to the A next year would be ideal. Addison too. They would be better off learning to play in a bigger faster league and bide their time until the injury big hits.

I don’t think De-smith is as easy to replace as ppl think. He was a solid 1b and fill in for mm last year for $1m. If those goalies were that readily available Toronto, Edmonton, sj, wouldn’t be hard pressed for a backup. It’s like missing out on kovy. Prob a few teams wish they claimed him.

Also I would love Josh Anderson as I mentioned a couple blogs ago. I like horny but I’d get rid of him asap (draft maybe) so I could replace him with someone like Anderson, maybe Légaré in the 2022 season. Free up some money and space on the ltir bench.