The Pens can protect three defensemen. Letang and Dumoulin are no brainers. As it sits now, Petterson is your third choice. Johnson is the one to get exposed. How is this a bad thing?

Again, as it currently sits, the exposed players are going to be: Murray, Kahun, Blueger, Simon and Johnson. You can scratch Simon and Johnson off that list, they are going nowhere.
- Thunderbolt

Well, there are at least two ways if I recall that you can protect players. Either a certain total number of players, or like you said, a certain number of each position.

The Pens can protect three defensemen. Letang and Dumoulin are no brainers. As it sits now, Petterson is your third choice. Johnson is the one to get exposed. How is this a bad thing?

Again, as it currently sits, the exposed players are going to be: Murray, Kahun, Blueger, Simon and Johnson. You can scratch Simon and Johnson off that list, they are going nowhere.
- Thunderbolt

They won't expose Kahun. Sid, Geno, Jake, McCann, Kahun, Rust and probably Tanev get protected. You expose Hornqvist because of the cap. No way they lose murray for nothing. If he isn't the starter by the end of this season he will likely be traded.

They won't expose Kahun. Sid, Geno, Jake, McCann, Kahun, Rust and probably Tanev get protected. You expose Hornqvist because of the cap. No way they lose murray for nothing. If he isn't the starter by the end of this season he will likely be traded.
- burgh4life87

Sid, Geno, Jake, Tanev and Hornqvist are automatically protected as they have no trade clauses. That leaves two forwards remaining; Rust stays, that leaves one of Kahun or McCann. That is a tough choice and I chose to keep McCann over Kahun. Others will have a different opinion. Of course Hornqvist can do what MAF did and waive his no trade clause.

I would rather lose Murray than Kahun or Blueger.

Well, there are at least two ways if I recall that you can protect players. Either a certain total number of players, or like you said, a certain number of each position.
- Rinosaur

Yes, the same as with Vegas.
A) Seven forwards, three 'D' and a goaltender.
B) Eight skaters and a goaltender.

With the no trade clauses on this team, it all but forces them to go with option A.

Sid, Geno, Jake, Tanev and Hornqvist are automatically protected as they have no trade clauses. That leaves two forwards remaining; Rust stays, that leaves one of Kahun or McCann. That is a tough choice and I chose to keep McCann over Kahun. Others will have a different opinion. Of course Hornqvist can do what MAF did and waive his no trade clause.

I would rather lose Murray than Kahun or Blueger.
- Thunderbolt

IMO.... One of Murray or Jarry will be gone. DeSmith will be our offering at G. We have the remainder of this year and next to decide on Kahun or Bluegs.

It's still too far out to predict in all honesty.

Yes, the same as with Vegas.
A) Seven forwards, three 'D' and a goaltender.
B) Eight skaters and a goaltender.

With the no trade clauses on this team, it all but forces them to go with option A.
- Thunderbolt

I still think they're going to trade their way out of it. If Hornqvist is still with the team and I assume he will be, my guess is they will pull a Fleury with him.

Sid, Geno, Jake, Tanev and Hornqvist are automatically protected as they have no trade clauses. That leaves two forwards remaining; Rust stays, that leaves one of Kahun or McCann. That is a tough choice and I chose to keep McCann over Kahun. Others will have a different opinion. Of course Hornqvist can do what MAF did and waive his no trade clause.

I would rather lose Murray than Kahun or Blueger.
- Thunderbolt

That's wrong. Only No Movement Clauses are required protection (unless the player voluntarily waives it). No Trade Clauses are not recognized in the expansion draft and these players can be exposed.

What if he’s Määttä 2.0? If so we’ll be able to trade him for a good asset moving forward.

That's wrong. Only No Movement Clauses are required protection (unless the player voluntarily waives it). No Trade Clauses are not recognized in the expansion draft and these players can be exposed.
- burgh4life87

You're right, I read it wrong. No trade clauses are not recognized in the expansion draft, only NMC.

I still think they're going to trade their way out of it. If Hornqvist is still with the team and I assume he will be, my guess is they will pull a Fleury with him.
- Rinosaur

Hornqvist contract is a no trade, he can be exposed. I was mistaken on the NMC vs NTC aspects of the rules. Hornqvist will be exposed before Kahun.

You're right, I read it wrong. No trade clauses are not recognized in the expansion draft, only NMC.
- Thunderbolt

I did the same thing during the Vegas draft. I was super nervous about losing some young guys until this was pointed out to me. So only Crosby, Malkin and Letang have to be protected, which of course they would have been.

I can also see us trading away a draft pick to Seattle to make sure they take a certain player. Vegas stock piled picks doing that.

IMO.... One of Murray or Jarry will be gone. DeSmith will be our offering at G. We have the remainder of this year and next to decide on Kahun or Bluegs.

It's still too far out to predict in all honesty.
- madmike71

Yes there will be changes to this team before the end of next season. I prefer to talk about expansion possibilities than hypothetical trades. When I do talk trades, which is rare, I talk more in the lines of needs of position than individual names.

I did the same thing during the Vegas draft. I was super nervous about losing some young guys until this was pointed out to me. So only Crosby, Malkin and Letang have to be protected, which of course they would have been.

I can also see us trading away a draft pick to Seattle to make sure they take a certain player. Vegas stock piled picks doing that.
- burgh4life87

I believe that is exactly what happened in the Vegas expansion draft. Vegas 'selected' Rust and we traded 'MAF and a third' to get him back.

I believe that is exactly what happened in the Vegas expansion draft. Vegas 'selected' Rust and we traded 'MAF and a third' to get him back.
- Thunderbolt

We traded them a 2nd rounder prior to the draft to ensure they would take MAF. We will probably do the same this time around to get a contract off the books. Vegas had like a dozen draft picks that year including 3 first rounders

Yes there will be changes to this team before the end of next season. I prefer to talk about expansion possibilities than hypothetical trades. When I do talk trades, which is rare, I talk more in the lines of needs of position than individual names.
- Thunderbolt

It is interesting, though, that if JR is so focused on Zucker as has been reported, that adds another forward to be protected since he has 3 years left after this season. That's the double-edged sword of trading for a player with term as it relates to the expansion draft. Same for Silfverberg, Rackell, etc. Now instead of Kahun or McCann it becomes Kahun and McCann. Or maybe they would expose aging vets like Zucker and Silfverberg after their two years of service and keep either Kahun or McCann.

Who gives a poop about the expansion draft. Try to win a cup before it. Deal with it when that off season gets here lol Pens are only gonna lose one player.

Hornqvist contract is a no trade, he can be exposed. I was mistaken on the NMC vs NTC aspects of the rules. Hornqvist will be exposed before Kahun.
- Thunderbolt

I keep thinking if a player puts Seattle on his NT list he can't go there, but I'm probably wrong.

If Pens add Zucker or someone comparable, it gets real interesting. Choose 2 of Rust, McCann, Kahun, Tanev, and Blueger to expose. (Rust would be on the last year of his deal thus why I include him as guys like Neal went for similar reasons).

I keep thinking if a player puts Seattle on his NT list he can't go there, but I'm probably wrong.

If Pens add Zucker or someone comparable, it gets real interesting. Choose 2 of Rust, McCann, Kahun, Tanev, and Blueger to expose. (Rust would be on the last year of his deal thus why I include him as guys like Neal went for similar reasons).
- Tojo.

Nope, NTC's are not recognized during the expansion draft.

I keep thinking if a player puts Seattle on his NT list he can't go there, but I'm probably wrong.

If Pens add Zucker or someone comparable, it gets real interesting. Choose 2 of Rust, McCann, Kahun, Tanev, and Blueger to expose. (Rust would be on the last year of his deal thus why I include him as guys like Neal went for similar reasons).
- Tojo.

I was thinking that a full NTC (and NMCs) meant that player could not be exposed, whereas a Modified NTC could be. In Horny's case, he switches from a full to a modified just before the draft which was probably planned that way. Here is my list, in order:

1. Crosby
2. Malkin
3. Guentzel
4. Letang
5. Dumo
6. Rust
7. McCann/Kahun/Tanev/Simon/Blueger

Adding another long-term contract would get very dicey. Sure, maybe one of these guys gets traded before then, but that would be just another hole to fill with someone.

Nope, NTC's are not recognized during the expansion draft.
- burgh4life87

Not even full NTCs? Seems like it almost defeats the purpose of a NTC, but I guess maybe expansion drafts are considered special occurrences.

It is interesting, though, that if JR is so focused on Zucker as has been reported, that adds another forward to be protected since he has 3 years left after this season. That's the double-edged sword of trading for a player with term as it relates to the expansion draft. Same for Silfverberg, Rackell, etc. Now instead of Kahun or McCann it becomes Kahun and McCann. Or maybe they would expose aging vets like Zucker and Silfverberg after their two years of service and keep either Kahun or McCann.
- Hockey66

I read an interview a year or so ago with JR. I don't remember everything he said, but he believes he can trade himself out of most problems. I think he said something about contracts 4mil and under are manageable (Guddy).

Teams are going to be more proactive this time around. I think GM's will be wheeling a dealing instead of losing players for nothing. Maybe I'm wrong, but Seattle won't get the same kind of roster Vegas got.

It is interesting, though, that if JR is so focused on Zucker as has been reported, that adds another forward to be protected since he has 3 years left after this season. That's the double-edged sword of trading for a player with term as it relates to the expansion draft. Same for Silfverberg, Rackell, etc. Now instead of Kahun or McCann it becomes Kahun and McCann. Or maybe they would expose aging vets like Zucker and Silfverberg after their two years of service and keep either Kahun or McCann.
- Hockey66

Yes it is interesting. The way I look at trades is this, you can play what if forever. Until the trade is made and you know who goes the other way, who the minor pieces are and who gets bumped down the lineup, it is all a guessing game. And that is fine, I just don't get to involved in specifics. That is why I preface my expansion talk with as it stands now. You can be specific but with the understanding things change.

The expansion is down the road, you make moves for now and deal with the after effects when the time comes. The Pens are going to lose a good player, no way around that. You just hope its minimal.

Not even full NTCs? Seems like it almost defeats the purpose of a NTC, but I guess maybe expansion drafts are considered special occurrences.
- Hockey66

Yea it's not a trade it's a draft. NTC are No TRADE clauses. NMC is No MOVEMENT clause.

I read an interview a year or so ago with JR. I don't remember everything he said, but he believes he can trade himself out of most problems. I think he said something about contracts 4mil and under are manageable (Guddy).

Teams are going to be more proactive this time around. I think GM's will be wheeling a dealing instead of losing players for nothing. Maybe I'm wrong, but Seattle won't get the same kind of roster Vegas got.
- madmike71

Well, the first paragraph makes sense, but it seems in conflict with the second paragraph. All of these players who don't want to be lost for nothing have to end up somewhere. I guess just like with the cap, 'expansion-strapped' teams will be looking to trade with teams who have open roster spots. Teams like OTT who literally only have 3 contracts total that last beyond next season will look to cash in. I imagine this will give them leverage so although JR can trade himself out of most problems, the return will likely be underwhelming to say the least.

Pageau scores #20.

There are quite a few potential trade partners who could probably use Galch on the PP, some of which are still in the playoff hunt (NSH, SJ, BUF, CAL, COL, DAL).