jeremy bracco must be the most hated man in the leafs organization right now.

tyler guadet(????) got called up before him?
- Tumbleweed

I may be late to this party, but as a reminder - Dubas said that they were going to be calling up various Marlies from time to time to show them how things work on the Leafs. They can see how the guys eat / train / practice, and so on. It gives them a feel for the routine and what these guys do on a regular basis so that they are (1) less intimated when they come up and (2) more motivated to get there.

Also, Bracco had his turn on December 23rd.

The St. Louis Blues exactly a year ago were 6 points out of 3rd in their division and 3 points out of a wild card spot.

I am not trying to compare the two teams ffs.

What I am comparing is that they were both viewed upon as top teams heading into the season. They are both great on paper an management believed in what they had.

St Louis didn't sell off UFA's and I am sure them and their fans are thankful for it.

So the Blues were looked upon as a top team in the league before the season started and played like poop under a different coach, then found success under a new one? Hmm okay.

The Blues were always a good team on paper. They figured it out and that is great for them.

They could of sold off their UFA's because of the season they were having going into the TDL. Good thing they didn't.
- Santo_44

By the TDL they were 33-23-6 after going 16-3-2. I don't think they had any profile UFAs last year.

Manson is a risk for me...He has played like crap this year and most of last year.

Is it just the team he is on? Would he fit better in this system? That is up to the Leafs brass to figure out.

Im just going to keep crunching numbers and complain
- Santo_44

i thought he has been better this year, but looked like crap last year.

still seems like a good pk'er and big body.

So the Blues were looked upon as a top team in the league before the season started and played like poop under a different coach, then found success under a new one? Hmm okay.

The Blues were always a good team on paper. They figured it out and that is great for them.

They could of sold off their UFA's because of the season they were having going into the TDL. Good thing they didn't.
- Santo_44

From the time they hired the new coach until the TDL they were first in the league, not a tough decision to make on deadline day when your team is cruising at that rate.

If the Leafs continue to sputter its not a comparable at all. I get that everything is subjective to how you want to spin it, but that's not how it works.

By the TDL they were 33-23-6 after going 16-3-2. I don't think they had any profile UFAs last year.
- aminnes

Tell me where they were in the standings exactly a year ago.

I don't care about a month from now. Me or you have no (frank)ing clue what is going to happen.

From the time they hired the new coach until the TDL they were first in the league, not a tough decision to make on deadline day when your team is cruising at that rate.

If the Leafs continue to sputter its not a comparable at all. I get that everything is subjective to how you want to spin it, but that's not how it works.
- joel878

Where are the Leafs in that same stat?

The St. Louis Blues exactly a year ago were 6 points out of 3rd in their division and 3 points out of a wild card spot.

I am not trying to compare the two teams ffs.

What I am comparing is that they were both viewed upon as top teams heading into the season. They are both great on paper an management believed in what they had.

St Louis didn't sell off UFA's and I am sure them and their fans are thankful for it.
- Santo_44

that's exactly it.

good post

The St. Louis Blues exactly a year ago were 6 points out of 3rd in their division and 3 points out of a wild card spot.

I am not trying to compare the two teams ffs.

What I am comparing is that they were both viewed upon as top teams heading into the season. They are both great on paper an management believed in what they had.

St Louis didn't sell off UFA's and I am sure them and their fans are thankful for it.
- Santo_44

Well they had moved up the standings so fast since jan 2nd last year that no gm in the world would have unloaded an ufa.

31 teams in the NHL

only 1 winner.

unless you a Detroit or Ottawa - you don't have a chance.

any other "playoff" team could just as easily win it over any of the other teams. the league has more parity now than it ever has. Leafs have just as good of a shot at winning the cup as any of the teams in the playoff hunt. Washignton, STL, you name it...odds are the same, just need to win round 1 and the leafs will have more confidence/swagger than any other team, so does that put them out of the hunt?

I think not!
- Lucas.Neilson

This is the original premise that I disagree with. The idea that Philly could make the playoffs and win the cup is silly IMO.

Where are the Leafs in that same stat?
- Santo_44

Im not entirely sure where they are and it's irrelevant to my point...

They have 1 win in their last 6 games. Let me say it again except slower.

If they continue to sputter they won't be a comparable.

that's exactly it.

good post
- Lucas.Neilson

They are trying to spin it and compare the Blues on TDL day and the Leafs right now.

In one month come back to me on that but for now we are talking about selling Leafs players when the STL Blues were in the exact same position a year ago today. You could argue it was worse when you factor in divisional play.

Well they had moved up the standings so fast since jan 2nd last year that no gm in the world would have unloaded an ufa.
- Fakepartofme

realistically the leafs don't "need" anything right now but Rielly to be healthy and the boys to gel as we get down to the wire.

I have no doubt we got boston round 1

Im not entirely sure where they are and it's irrelevant to my point...

They have 1 win in their last 6 games. Let me say it again except slower.

If they continue to sputter they won't be a comparable.
- joel878

Wait why are you allowed to use the "since the coach was hired" stat for the Blues but I am only allowed to use the past 6 games?

and IF IF

If they go 10-0 they will be up there with TB.

Okay now that we have our "IFS" on the table lets talk about the present.

Before last year a lot of people liked the Blues. On paper they were solid other than questions in net. If you look at the way Yeo distributed minutes and his system compared to Berube it was weird. He sat Parayko on the bench, Berube saw Parayko as a huge asset as one example. They were lucky in that Bennington wasn't seen as necessarily the solution, but he was in their system, they drafted and developed him and he came through. And if it was a fluke they would have regressed some, but not the case. The Leafs are not going to flukily win the cup this year. This is a pipe dream.
- aminnes

Here's a rundown of the top 10 teams in odds for the 2018/19 season (from Sept 30, 2018):

Toronto Maple Leafs: 13/2
Tampa Bay Lightning: 15/2
Winnipeg Jets: 19/2
Nashville Predators: 11/1
Vegas Golden Knights: 11/1
Washington Capitals: 11/1
Boston Bruins: 12/1
Pittsburgh Penguins: 12/1
San Jose Sharks: 16/1
St. Louis Blues: 20/1

Odds to win the 2019-20 Stanley Cup (from Oct 2, 2019):

Tampa Bay Lightning: 7/1
Boston Bruins: 8/1
Vegas Golden Knights: 10/1
St. Louis Blues: 12/1
Toronto Maple Leafs: 12/1
Washington Capitals: 12/1
Colorado Avalanche: 14/1
Dallas Stars: 16/1
Nashville Predators: 16/1
Calgary Flames: 20/1
Pittsburgh Penguins: 20/1

Your negative angsty ways are foiled by the facts here.

They are trying to spin it and compare the Blues on TDL day and the Leafs right now.

In one month come back to me on that but for now we are talking about selling Leafs players when the STL Blues were in the exact same position a year ago today. You could argue it was worse when you factor in divisional play.
- Santo_44

hey man I'm with ya.

and il confirm it by assuring you the leafs wont be selling anyone anytime soon.

if they fall of a cliff between now and deadline then sure, we may move barrie or something but if we got a shot to make it- the Leafs will not sell off, I guarantee you that.

Well they had moved up the standings so fast since jan 2nd last year that no gm in the world would have unloaded an ufa.
- Fakepartofme

They had no profile UFAs.

realistically the leafs don't "need" anything right now but Rielly to be healthy and the boys to gel as we get down to the wire.

I have no doubt we got boston round 1
- Lucas.Neilson

Im hoping so.

Well they need muzzin to be healthy and back to form.

This is the original premise that I disagree with. The idea that Philly could make the playoffs and win the cup is silly IMO.
- aminnes

well vegas got the cup finals

did you think they were goona win it when they entered the league that season?

hey man I'm with ya.

and il confirm it by assuring you the leafs wont be selling anyone anytime soon.

if they fall of a cliff between now and deadline then sure, we may move barrie or something but if we got a shot to make it- the Leafs will not sell off, I guarantee you that.
- Lucas.Neilson

Yup.

I agree.

Here's a rundown of the top 10 teams in odds for the 2018/19 season (from Sept 30, 2018):

Toronto Maple Leafs: 13/2
Tampa Bay Lightning: 15/2
Winnipeg Jets: 19/2
Nashville Predators: 11/1
Vegas Golden Knights: 11/1
Washington Capitals: 11/1
Boston Bruins: 12/1
Pittsburgh Penguins: 12/1
San Jose Sharks: 16/1
St. Louis Blues: 20/1

Odds to win the 2019-20 Stanley Cup (from Oct 2, 2019):

Tampa Bay Lightning: 7/1
Boston Bruins: 8/1
Vegas Golden Knights: 10/1
St. Louis Blues: 12/1
Toronto Maple Leafs: 12/1
Washington Capitals: 12/1
Colorado Avalanche: 14/1
Dallas Stars: 16/1
Nashville Predators: 16/1
Calgary Flames: 20/1
Pittsburgh Penguins: 20/1

Your negative angsty ways are foiled by the facts here.
- Monkeypunk

I give zero (frank)s about vegas odds. It's not negative, it's realistic.

Im hoping so.

Well they need muzzin to be healthy and back to form.
- Fakepartofme

fuzzy muzzy will be good to go - we need him - hes more important than we realized and I think he just proved that to us over this stretch!

hey man I'm with ya.

and il confirm it by assuring you the leafs wont be selling anyone anytime soon.

if they fall of a cliff between now and deadline then sure, we may move barrie or something but if we got a shot to make it- the Leafs will not sell off, I guarantee you that.
- Lucas.Neilson

Agreed.

Yup.

I agree.
- Santo_44

the amount of money the leafs make in 4-7 playoff games is more than most teams make in a cup run

They had no profile UFAs.
- aminnes

Perhaps

But they had some great moveable talent.
I think its too early for the leafs to do anything.
Lets see how this week infolds. They could easily be back in.