Montour trade is going to be right up there with the oreilly trade if he just walks. Gave up a decent prospect and a first round pick and then built a roster that set Montour up for failure

Like, its really hard to see anything that botteril has done as not awful

while this looks outrageous, its probably still a better return than those picks would have gotten you if you just made them
- robz228

When we all wake up from this nacho fever dream and continue to wonder why we dont have any surprisingly good forwards drafted in the middle rounds - which is what everyone rightly says we need to do - remember this list

Montour trade is going to be right up there with the oreilly trade if he just walks. Gave up a decent prospect and a first round pick and then built a roster that set Montour up for failure

Like, its really hard to see anything that botteril has done as not awful
- robz228

He's an RFA. No worries there

I think the Sheary trade in a vacuum is probably his best move, but based on what we hear in interviews, he thinks Sheary is a top 6 forward to be relied on to score instead of depth. Which makes it a terrible move.

idk man, i'm just exhausted with this team

When we all wake up from this nacho fever dream and continue to wonder why we dont have any surprisingly good forwards drafted in the middle rounds - which is what everyone rightly says we need to do - remember this list
- jcragcrumple

right, each move together turns into a pile of garbage, but just like the rest of the trades, a 3rd round pick for vesey is probably fine? the problem is when the gameplan to building the roster is to make 7 versions of that trade is when we got issues

wasted a 3rd for beaulieu, got a 6th back
wasted 4th for sheary and hunwick
wasted 5th for wilson
wasted a 2nd and 5th for miller
wasted 3rd for vesey
wasted 4th for frolik


so in essence
2nd, 2 thirds, 2 4ths, and a 5th for a 6th
- homiedclown

With the way this team drafts there is no such thing as a wasted trade that involves a pick

right, each move together turns into a pile of garbage, but just like the rest of the trades, a 3rd round pick for vesey is probably fine? the problem is when the gameplan to building the roster is to make 7 versions of that trade is when we got issues
- robz228

Just bundle the picks for one good thing, not 3 mediocre things

Just bundle the picks for one good thing, not 3 mediocre things
- jcragcrumple

This. I would of preferred one impact player instead.

Montour is an RFA but one of him, Risto or Joki will need to be traded next year or one of them is gone in an expansion draft.

We will hear excuses for the low returns on Risto because “his hands were tied.”

So using draft picks on players who produced for there former teams is bad, cause ya know he should have known they would disappear, using a mid rnd pick on a player that has raised are PK from a 78% to 85% since he got here is bad.

So using draft picks on players who produced for there former teams is bad, cause ya know he should have known they would disappear, using a mid rnd pick on a player that has raised are PK from a 78% to 85% since he got here is bad.
- Buff36

Vesey gets between 28-35 points a year. He's going to get that again. This is who he is. And yes, trading for Frolik in January is nonsensical when you're 10 points out of the playoffs. Miller is the 5th RHD on a team full of RHD.

Keep in mind, Skinner cost a 2nd, 3rd and 6th. So would you rather have the aforementioned 3, or one player of Skinner's caliber for the same price of a 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th that he paid for those guys?

Vesey gets between 28-35 points a year. He's going to get that again. This is who he is. And yes, trading for Frolik in January is nonsensical when you're 10 points out of the playoffs. Miller is the 5th RHD on a team full of RHD.

Keep in mind, Skinner cost a 2nd, 3rd and 6th. So would you rather have the aforementioned 3, or one player of Skinner's caliber for the same price of a 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th that he paid for those guys?
- jcragcrumple

Yet you're assuming that deal was available to the Sabres.

Sabres are better than the Lightning because the Sabres swept the Stars and the Stars swept the Lightning.

Yet you're assuming that deal was available to the Sabres.
- TheSabresTaco

And many are assuming it wasn't

Keep the picks if you're going to trade for crap. Bundle them for something good if you're going to spend them. The scattershot technique is crap

And many are assuming it wasn't

Keep the picks if you're going to trade for crap. Bundle them for something good if you're going to spend them. The scattershot technique is crap
- jcragcrumple

Those picks were used to install depth. It's reasonable to argue the effectiveness of said players, but the fact remained that this team did not have NHL players to install into those positions.

The trades were reasonable.

Bogo and Erod.

Your suspension... continues!

So using draft picks on players who produced for there former teams is bad, cause ya know he should have known they would disappear, using a mid rnd pick on a player that has raised are PK from a 78% to 85% since he got here is bad.
- Buff36

The importance of this improvement to the PK has very little impact to the outcome of the games played since his arrival.
I did the math back 3 games ago, and out of the previous 10 games, they would have had won one, 1 game.
Yipppy door daa!!

So using draft picks on players who produced for there former teams is bad, cause ya know he should have known they would disappear, using a mid rnd pick on a player that has raised are PK from a 78% to 85% since he got here is bad.
- Buff36

Yes he should have known that players won’t produce their previous results when not playing with NHL centers.

If you put Olofsson on a different line do you think he would produce what he has this year. Skinners production dropped when he was moved off Jack’s line.

You can’t trade for a winger and throw him in a line with AHL center talent and expect him to produce what he had in previous years with an NHL center.

A GM could and should know this.

Those picks were used to install depth. It's reasonable to argue the effectiveness of said players, but the fact remained that this team did not have NHL players to install into those positions.

The trades were reasonable.
- TheSabresTaco

Lazar could have done the same job as Vesey

Miller is totally redundant on this team and not necessary

Asplund can do what Frolik does

The trades were unnecessary, especially considering that the primary defense for Botterill here is "he isnt interested in short term fixes"

He is interested in short term fixes, but his answers are answers to a question no one asked.

Vesey gets between 28-35 points a year. He's going to get that again. This is who he is. And yes, trading for Frolik in January is nonsensical when you're 10 points out of the playoffs. Miller is the 5th RHD on a team full of RHD.

Keep in mind, Skinner cost a 2nd, 3rd and 6th. So would you rather have the aforementioned 3, or one player of Skinner's caliber for the same price of a 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th that he paid for those guys?
- jcragcrumple

Of course I would but those trades don't happen every year. Vesey is no where near to his goal production he had 3 years in a row for the Rangers, Sheary hasn't come close to his goal production he had the 2 years prior to his trade with Pittsburgh. Frolic is what he is and he has helped are PK. Everyone wants trades for decent players who produce, well Sheary and Vesey produced before they came here. Miller was loved on these boards for the first 15 games. I don't know why he's not playing, that's on the coach, not the GM. And half these trades would not have been made if are system had anything in it, and that's not on Botts.

Trade our first and Sam for Johnny Gaudreau 

Let's go

The importance of this improvement to the PK has very little impact to the outcome of the games played since his arrival.
I did the math back 3 games ago, and out of the previous 10 games, they would have had won one, 1 game.
Yipppy door daa!!
- IonSabres

Why do people poop on role players.

Yes he should have known that players won’t produce their previous results when not playing with NHL centers.

If you put Olofsson on a different line do you think he would produce what he has this year. Skinners production dropped when he was moved off Jack’s line.

You can’t trade for a winger and throw him in a line with AHL center talent and expect him to produce what he had in previous years with an NHL center.

A GM could and should know this.
- Beethoven

That's the biggest reason is the 2C, and he (frank)ed that up with Mitts. That's his biggest mistake.

Trade our first and Sam for Johnny Gaudreau 

Let's go
- gerbe75pts

I'm EXTREMELY excited to think about having Kyle Okposo as our best RW

Of course I would but those trades don't happen every year. Vesey is no where near to his goal production he had 3 years in a row for the Rangers, Sheary hasn't come close to his goal production he had the 2 years prior to his trade with Pittsburgh. Frolic is what he is and he has helped are PK. Everyone wants trades for decent players who produce, well Sheary and Vesey produced before they came here. Miller was loved on these boards for the first 15 games. I don't know why he's not playing, that's on the coach, not the GM. And half these trades would not have been made if are system had anything in it, and that's not on Botts.
- Buff36

Take away the one good year that he played with Crosby and this is exactly who he is

10 points in 44 games
Crosby year
30 points the next year
34 points the next year
This year on pace for 30ish

Vesey is the same. He's on pace for fewer goals, more assists and a better +/-

They got what they knew they were getting

Lazar could have done the same job as Vesey

Miller is totally redundant on this team and not necessary

Asplund can do what Frolik does

The trades were unnecessary, especially considering that the primary defense for Botterill here is "he isnt interested in short term fixes"

He is interested in short term fixes, but his answers are answers to a question no one asked.
- jcragcrumple

I applaud Botts for making the Nylander for Joker trade instead of saying “I have a surplus of RHD I don’t need another one”

It’s easy to hate the Miller trade now that we made the move for Joker but I perceive it differently.