I agree to an extent. Anyone who wants to compete should not care what city they live in, as much as what the team is composed of. If your priority is not hockey, then go sign in LA. I would argue that not having a state tax is an unfair advantage tho. I mean 7M in Dallas is the same as 10M in Winnipeg. That just isn't fair.
- bikeguy99

I heard on the radio once that tax saving would not be as much as you stated. Players get taxed in every jurisdiction they play in. For example when on the road, players get taxed specifically to each city they play in.

I am serious. All teams operate under a salary cap, meaning that its very hard to get outbid unless you are against the cap. I have not heard of players taking millions less to play in other markets or leagues and if that is the case, what's the point of being in the NHL then?

The Jets beat out other teams that were in on Kulikov and Mason by offering each more term than other teams. The Jets essentially got beat out by their own game with Carolina. Gardiner wanted term and the Jets refused to give it to him.

Furthermore, can you name 20 players that took millions less to play elsewhere because they did not like Winnipeg?
- TheUltimateJet

Get releveant. '20' is a huge number of players when talking about free agents, that is like 10 years worth of potential players. Also - 'millions less' is a HUGE number of dollars to leave on the table. If that is the criteria then it is likely there have been less than a handful of players who passed on Winnipeg.

Players tend to choose favourable tax states and warmer climates. According to NHLPA golf is the players 2nd favourite sport. The stats are out there if you choose to start dealing in reality. One example of info is below:
https://www.espn.com/blog...ce/insider/post/_/id/9006

I heard on the radio once that tax saving would not be as much as you stated. Players get taxed in every jurisdiction they play in. For example when on the road, players get taxed specifically to each city they play in.
- TheUltimateJet

That's true but every player plays the same amount of home games and the same amount of road games so the state/provincial taxes for the team a guy is signed with do matter.

Go on the CapFriendly website and use the tax calculator feature, for example since he's been recently mentioned here Gardiner would be losing $190K a season in Winnipeg as opposed to Carolina. That is quite a bit but if the Jets were paying him an extra $100K or whatever they'd have to to make up that difference no one would be viewing that as a massive overpay, now if they had to pay him an extra $1 million then yeah I'm sure there'd be some claims of an overpay but I really don't know if they'd have to overpay by that much to get him or others to sign in Winnipeg. Also all players get paid in US dollars so that's an advantage for guys playing in Canada.

This narrative about no one wanting to play in Winnipeg is completely fabricated. Its what True North has instructed the media here in Winnipeg to sell to the fan base. They do this to cover up any errors they make. Because when they do make them they say "nobody wants to play here". Its great strategy, especially one that Chevelallseasonoff likes to use to gloss over the fact that he has been unable to develop the majority of his draft picks. It also absolves him for doing his job.
- TheUltimateJet

Common, you can’t be serious!!
Explain the players pole every year that has Winnipeg in bottom 5’ destination teams
Or the fact we are top 3 every year for most appearances on no trade lists.

Yes, once players are here they love it and will “RE” sign. Re sign being the key here!!! Not come as UFA’s.

You can not honestly think we compete with california, Florida, New York, nashville, Vegas, Vancouver, or original 6 teams!!! For places you’d like to sign.

I have no interest in debating if players will come here or not anymore. It’s useless and accomplishes nothing.

My new question is this,

Winnipeg has scouted Buffalo all season, we have not let up one bit in our management and scouts in attendance at their games.

What the hell is this all about???? I do not want a major deal with Buffalo that doesn’t include eichel, Dahlin or at the very least Cozins. Which is laughable as eichel and Dahlin have negative 1000 percent chance of being moved and I assume Cozins isn’t far off that. so why the hell Are we there as much as we are????

My theories (which I don’t like for us!!!)
-they are discussing potential Ehlers or Laine deals.
-this can not be about Roslovic or it would be done by now, has to be bigger with the amount of time being spent on it.

From everything I've heard it wasn't money that Chiarot left for, it was cause Montreal would give him a 3rd year of term but the Jets only wanted to give him two, playing for the Habs also means playing in the worst tax bracket in the NHL for what it's worth.
- JetFuel

If true it shows the ineptitude of Chevy. Handing out 3.5 million for a 3rd year of Chiarot should not be a deal breaker when you have a salary cap in the mid 80's. (and i'm not a Chiarot fan).

I have no interest in debating if players will come here or not anymore. It’s useless and accomplishes nothing.

My new question is this,

Winnipeg has scouted Buffalo all season, we have not let up one bit in our management and scouts in attendance at their games.

What the hell is this all about???? I do not want a major deal with Buffalo that doesn’t include eichel, Dahlin or at the very least Cozins. Which is laughable as eichel and Dahlin have negative 1000 percent chance of being moved and I assume Cozins isn’t far off that. so why the hell Are we there as much as we are????

My theories (which I don’t like for us!!!)
-they are discussing potential Ehlers or Laine deals.
-this can not be about Roslovic or it would be done by now, has to be bigger with the amount of time being spent on it.
- Ross77

How do you know the Jets our heavily scouting Sabres games?

I have no interest in debating if players will come here or not anymore. It’s useless and accomplishes nothing.

My new question is this,

Winnipeg has scouted Buffalo all season, we have not let up one bit in our management and scouts in attendance at their games.

What the hell is this all about???? I do not want a major deal with Buffalo that doesn’t include eichel, Dahlin or at the very least Cozins. Which is laughable as eichel and Dahlin have negative 1000 percent chance of being moved and I assume Cozins isn’t far off that. so why the hell Are we there as much as we are????

My theories (which I don’t like for us!!!)
-they are discussing potential Ehlers or Laine deals.
-this can not be about Roslovic or it would be done by now, has to be bigger with the amount of time being spent on it.
- Ross77

To BUF: Patrick Laine, 2020 first round pick, Mathieu Perreault

To WPG: Jack Eichel


There is a trade for you Ross

How do you know the Jets our heavily scouting Sabres games?
- JetFuel

I think Sabres Buzz and EK have been reporting that as well as Murat From the Athletic.

Get releveant. '20' is a huge number of players when talking about free agents, that is like 10 years worth of potential players. Also - 'millions less' is a HUGE number of dollars to leave on the table. If that is the criteria then it is likely there have been less than a handful of players who passed on Winnipeg.

Players tend to choose favourable tax states and warmer climates. According to NHLPA golf is the players 2nd favourite sport. The stats are out there if you choose to start dealing in reality. One example of info is below:
https://www.espn.com/blog...ce/insider/post/_/id/9006
- 2.0

Ross said that 20 players refused to sign here even though we offered them more money.

How do you know the Jets our heavily scouting Sabres games?
- JetFuel

It’s been reported many times in the sabres threads as well as other blogs about what scouts and personal are in attendance at NHL games. This info is always available and released. I honestly don’t think the a jets scouts have missed a sabres game.

If true it shows the ineptitude of Chevy. Handing out 3.5 million for a 3rd year of Chiarot should not be a deal breaker when you have a salary cap in the mid 80's. (and i'm not a Chiarot fan).
- BWJumper

Yeah he'd certainly be an improvement on most of the guys the Jets are rolling out, really think one #3 or 4 dman AND making the right decisions of who to dress from the remaining dmen would make a pretty big difference.

So the thing is if they'd signed Chiarot as they were trying to and Buff comes to camp they would've been over the cap so it makes me wonder what the move was gonna be to create cap space, buyout Kulikov or was someone getting traded out or did they know about this Buff situation the whole time.

It’s been reported many times in the sabres threads as well as other blogs about what scouts and personal are in attendance at NHL games. This info is always available and released. I honestly don’t think the a jets scouts have missed a sabres game.
- Ross77

Can that info be trusted?

The Sabres really have nothing that should appeal to the Jets besides the two guys they're never trading, there'd be nothing worse for the Jets then a bad panic trade. I would be alright with sending a couple non 1st round picks for Colin Miller but that's about it from Buffalo, Jokiharju would be a good addition but he's likely not someone they're open to trading.

To BUF: Patrick Laine, 2020 first round pick, Mathieu Perreault

To WPG: Jack Eichel


There is a trade for you Ross
- TheUltimateJet

Sabres are never doing that, teams rarely trade 1C's.

It’s been reported many times in the sabres threads as well as other blogs about what scouts and personal are in attendance at NHL games. This info is always available and released. I honestly don’t think the a jets scouts have missed a sabres game.
- Ross77

The main question is: how many Sabres scouts have been at Jets games?

Sabres are never doing that, teams rarely trade 1C's.
- JetFuel

I know, but it's the only deal with the Sbres worth making. Or we could:

To BUF: Jack Roslovic, Kristian Vesalainen, 2020 third round pick

To WPG: Sam Reinhart

The best deal would be to go after Mittelstadt. A great buy low candidate that Chevy should be acquiring to try at 2C but it won't happen and he wouldn't be given a chance anyway with Maurice as coach.

I know, but it's the only deal with the Sbres worth making. Or we could:

To BUF: Jack Roslovic, Kristian Vesalainen, 2020 third round pick

To WPG: Sam Reinhart
- TheUltimateJet

No. We’re not going to contend by adding another forward that may not be as good as the one going back across in 2 years time

The best deal would be to go after Mittelstadt. A great buy low candidate that Chevy should be acquiring to try at 2C but it won't happen and he wouldn't be given a chance anyway with Maurice as coach.
- BWJumper

He’s not good, though. Is the problem. He’s struggling as a 3C.

You are correct. But coming of injuries and surgeries does take time to reboud. He played 30 games over the past two seasons, so it does take some time to find your game, whether your 22 or 29 years old. Sbisa hits, blocks shots, and has size and speed. I like him as a bottom pairing D going forward.
- bikeguy99

When his game was found, and fully in his possession, he was terrible for the entirety of his healthy, full time career. He’s been also terrible in his smaller stints, as well as here.

He hits a lot, because we don’t have the puck when he’s out there, and blocks a lot of shots, because they’re able to shoot a lot with him out there. If he had speed, which I don’t see, it would be fading right about now given his age, playing style, and injuries

Also found out the low down on Jake Gardiner.

He did sign for less money in Carolina. He only did so because they offered him an extra year on their deal. He took job security over a few hundred thousand dollars. Essentially he will make more money on his contract in Carolina after 4 years than the 3 the Jets were offering. So this talk about players not wanting to be in Winnipeg is definitely not true.
- TheUltimateJet

He also expressed an interest in not playing in a Canadian market. He turned down a MUCH bigger contract from Montreal than what he was offered by either CAR or WPG.

He’s not good, though. Is the problem. He’s struggling as a 3C.
- Rexypoo

yeah Mittelstadt is... not good.