Go nuclear and pry Doughty out of LA.

Doughty 11m
Clifford 1.6
Total 12.6

Nylander 6.9
Liligren .865
Bracco .845
Ceci 4.5
Total 13.11

Assuming they could get him to waive his NTC
- aminnes

werent you, to get Geogiev it costs Nylnder guy?

how big?

Kap and Marincin for Nurse
Johnsson and Ceci for Dumba
- PatC80

If I'm going to be Mr. No Fun . . .

Kap and Marincin for Nurse <-- Edmonton is trying to make the playoffs. Yes, Kapanen probably becomes their best winger, but . . .why would they trade their best defenseman and replace him with Marincin? Nurse has more value than Kapanen based on the positional values of the players (D are hard to come by).

Minnesota is now entering their rebuilding / retooling phase. Dumba is signed for 3 more years and Ceci is a salary dump to make a trade work. So really, is Johnsson enough to pry 3+ years of Dumba out of Minnesota? I'm not being an ass, but there's no way I do that deal without Johnsson, a prospect, and a first or second round pick, and a prospect depending on how good the prospect is. They have no reason to give Dumba away, so it's a value proposition deal.

If I'm going to be Mr. No Fun . . .

Kap and Marincin for Nurse <-- Edmonton is trying to make the playoffs. Yes, Kapanen probably becomes their best winger, but . . .why would they trade their best defenseman and replace him with Marincin? Nurse has more value than Kapanen based on the positional values of the players (D are hard to come by).

Minnesota is now entering their rebuilding / retooling phase. Dumba is signed for 3 more years and Ceci is a salary dump to make a trade work. So really, is Johnsson enough to pry 3+ years of Dumba out of Minnesota? I'm not being an ass, but there's no way I do that deal without Johnsson, a prospect, and a first or second round pick, and a prospect depending on how good the prospect is. They have no reason to give Dumba away, so it's a value proposition deal.
- Monkeypunk

Fine, we add Timashov for Nurse and add Bracco for Dumba

Personally I would rather trade a package for a real good defenseman instead of getting two mediocre ones.
Petry in Montreal would be a nice right hander to get.
- shack67

I like me some Petry.

He is not a good defender. He's better than Barrie. That's about as far as I can go with these statements.

werent you, to get Geogiev it costs Nylnder guy?
- senstroll

Yes. A young up and coming goalie on a team that sees him as their future with their current goalie retiring soon. One for One.

An older D man on a team rebuilding for the future and not close to winning any time soon. Packages.

at 5v5 this season Drew D has 1 goal and 10 assists

that seems bad.

Cody Ceci has 1 goal and 6 assists

is DD any good anymore?

Hell even Barrie has 3 goals 14 assists and he didnt even get into a game until Babs was fired

Yes. A young up and coming goalie on a team that sees him as their future with their current goalie retiring soon. One for One.

An older D man on a team rebuilding for the future and not close to winning any time soon. Packages.
- aminnes

lol Nylander for a backup

at 5v5 this season Drew D has 1 goal and 10 assists

that seems bad.

Cody Ceci has 1 goal and 6 assists

is DD any good anymore?

Hell even Barrie has 3 goals 14 assists and he didnt even get into a game until Babs was fired
- senstroll

I've watched him a few times this year. He gives zero (frank)s. Like none. He knows he's just playing for a paycheque right now. He's got a few good years left in he tank.

lol Nylander for a backup
- senstroll

You think NY perceives him as a backup? Everyone knows he's a future starter. Stop acting like he's 34 and been a backup for 10 years.

If it IS around AJ and Ceci we'd actually get some cap relief too dont we? Arent they both over 4 mil?
- mel_vin

3.4 and 4.5 I believe

I've watched him a few times this year. He gives zero (frank)s. Like none. He knows he's just playing for a paycheque right now. He's got a few good years left in he tank.
- aminnes

i think you are trying to trade for 2012 Doughty.

But thats not how it works.
11 mil..holy (frank)

Yes. A young up and coming goalie on a team that sees him as their future with their current goalie retiring soon. One for One.

An older D man on a team rebuilding for the future and not close to winning any time soon. Packages.
- aminnes

Realistically, based on experience and performance to date, Kapanen or Johnsson is an overpayment for a backup with potential - let alone Nylander.

Bracco is not enough, I would totally grant.

Somewhere between those base parameters there's a deal to be made.

You think NY perceives him as a backup? Everyone knows he's a future starter. Stop acting like he's 34 and been a backup for 10 years.
- aminnes

Everyone?

You think NY perceives him as a backup? Everyone knows he's a future starter. Stop acting like he's 34 and been a backup for 10 years.
- aminnes

sharks need a goalie, it will cost Timo Meier

or something

You think NY perceives him as a backup? Everyone knows he's a future starter. Stop acting like he's 34 and been a backup for 10 years.
- aminnes

Nylander for Georgiev. One for one? Was that sarcasm, or...

sharks need a goalie, it will cost Timo Meier

or something
- senstroll

nylander > meier

Realistically, based on experience and performance to date, Kapanen or Johnsson is an overpayment for a backup with potential - let alone Nylander.

Bracco is not enough, I would totally grant.

Somewhere between those base parameters there's a deal to be made.
- Monkeypunk

IMO, it should be Johnsson for Georgiev. 1 for 1.

We get a decent back up, and the Rangers get a top 6 winger

at 5v5 this season Drew D has 1 goal and 10 assists

that seems bad.

Cody Ceci has 1 goal and 6 assists

is DD any good anymore?

Hell even Barrie has 3 goals 14 assists and he didnt even get into a game until Babs was fired
- senstroll

Problem for Doughty was he'll play on a bad team until he' sold and we won't see what he can do with such a crappy roster. He should have moved on to another team.

IMO, it should be Johnsson for Georgiev. 1 for 1.

We get a decent back up, and the Rangers get a top 6 winger
- PatC80

Try to get Lemieux added. Throw in a 4th and... Bracco.

i think you are trying to trade for 2012 Doughty.

But thats not how it works.
11 mil..holy (frank)
- senstroll

It's a lot of money I agree. But again, are they trying to win the next 3-4 year before AM walks or just stay afloat? Right now with he cap space, and the current d core they are not going to get out of middling. Bring in a guy who can play half the game and elevate Reilly back closer to what he was last year.

I don't like all the overpaid guys but they are already in that bed, might as well try and make the most of it.

Or next year they could roll with an even weaker d core as they have no money to improve it. This way they for sure enter next season with Reilly DD as their top pair (very legit, the top pair in the east IMO), and actually gain a smidgen of cap space. Plus Clifford is a needed asset up front.

Anything they could ad to get LA to eat any amount of salary would be beneficial also.

Nylander for Georgiev. One for one? Was that sarcasm, or...
- Steven_Seagull

might be worse than Hall for Larson

You think NY perceives him as a backup? Everyone knows he's a future starter. Stop acting like he's 34 and been a backup for 10 years.
- aminnes

Seriously. You need to stop perceiving him like he's proven ANYTHING.

He has played in 10, 33 and 23 games in 3 different NHL seasons posting save percentages of .918, .914 and .910 in that descending order.

He has potential. He hasn't done anything to merit the outlandish price tag people want him to have.

To put this in perspective, a 37 year old Lundqvist has a save percentage of .907 this year behind the same defense.

You think NY perceives him as a backup? Everyone knows he's a future starter. Stop acting like he's 34 and been a backup for 10 years.
- aminnes

Obviously, I'm not in the room with Gorton and Davidson, but honestly, Georgie is not perceived as a backup or the future.
He's been too good to keep as a backup, but Shesterkin is the future.
They need to pull the trigger on moving Georgie while his stock is high, but there's no way he's bringing back a top-9 player one for one. As much as I wish it were true. I'm not huge on Kapanen, living in Southern Ontario, I see more of the Leafs than I might like, but I don't see that he has any skills more valuable than his speed.
That being said, I would love to see a Georgie package that brings back Kapanen and someone like Bracco. I don't know your whole prospect pool, so I don't know what others to target that have upside. Would love Robertson, but I understand he is probably not being moved.

might be worse than Hall for Larson
- senstroll

HAHA! True.

Yes. A young up and coming goalie on a team that sees him as their future with their current goalie retiring soon. One for One.

An older D man on a team rebuilding for the future and not close to winning any time soon. Packages.
- aminnes

NO ONE will ever trade a Nylander type for a backup. that's cray cray. We're getting a heck of a lot more if we trade Nylander.