Goal totals:

2
8
9
6
6
20

and on pace for 7 this year.

One of these things is not like the others.

He went from "consistent, minute munching puck mover" to "Offensive juggernaut" for one season and now is back to where he was before.
- BINGO!

Bring back Hainsey!

Goal totals:

2
8
9
6
6
20

and on pace for 7 this year.

One of these things is not like the others.

He went from "consistent, minute munching puck mover" to "Offensive juggernaut" for one season and now is back to where he was before.
- BINGO!

I don't really care how many goals my defencemen get - it's all about points.

His numbers were pretty consistent the past two years - it's just this year he's been injured.

20 goals last year was a aberration - everyone will agree to that.

But I don't think it takes too many sips of blue Kool-aid to believe he can be a consistent 50ish poinst per year guy for the next few years (if healthy).

Goal totals:

2
8
9
6
6
20

and on pace for 7 this year.

One of these things is not like the others.

He went from "consistent, minute munching puck mover" to "Offensive juggernaut" for one season and now is back to where he was before.
- BINGO!

His goal totals last year were elevated. Frankly I was shocked at how many weak goals he scored. I would expect him to average around 10. I would, though, still expect his assist totals to be in the 50+ range. I can't see how he doesn't stay in that 70 point range on a team as offensively minded as this one.

I would think that next year, in particular, with Barrie departing and Rielly being healthy, you'll see him again put up very high point totals because he'll be the one expected to do it and given every opportunity to do so.

Recency bias.

Kapanen is 23 and makes $3.2m for two more years. He is still getting better. He's probably not a 30 goal guy, but he should be a consistent 20 - 25 goal guy, and he is versatile enough to use anywhere in the top 9 and can PK. Frankly, if the PP doesn't figure out zone entries soon enough - just give the puck to Kapanen and let him jet the f'n thing in the zone.

Zucker is 28. He scored over 30 once. He might even get there this year - but I doubt it. He's just entering the wrong side of prime and makes $5.5m for the next 3 years.

Brodin is 26 and makes $4.2m for one more year. He probably hits his career high in points this year - where he'll be at around 35 points. He might finish the year with 2 goals, giving him a career amount of 31 goals.

Rielly is 25 and makes $5m for two more years. He's eclipsed Brodin's projected career high 3 times already, and may do it again this year if he comes back with about 10 games to play. Last year alone Rielly scored 20. This year he hasn't scored in a bunch of games and people won't shut up about it, and he still has 3 goals.

It's not even close, in my opinion. We take on an additional $1.5m in cap for less term on players who are either diminishing or never going to be as good.
- Monkeypunk

Agreed.. Zucker is good, so is Brodin.. I just think giving up on Kap and Rielly is a loss for us..
I honestly think Rielly alone is enough to get Brodin and Zucker

Strong statement for you to make....What is you evidence?

I've read articles on both sides. And mainly the worry seems to be Chinese New Year which is in 2 days. Have you considered that plays a role in these shutdowns? It is a massive celebration for travel.

And unknown? I didn't say that.

What we do know is the solid data we are getting is from extreme cases. We don't have any data on moderate to minor cases. I am sure we will get some now that people are going to the hospital over a fever.

Like I said that 600 cases is probably more like 6000.
- Santo_44

I'm well aware of the Lunar New Year and my unknown comment was misinterpreting what you said.

So far, it's been less deadly than SARs, but with a sample like this that doesn't really mean it isn't though either. It has also disproportionately affected older people as opposed to younger people.

My point is that both of these diseases are both coronaviruses. The outbreak, like you admit, is probably more like 6,000. SARs was a estimated total of 3,800. I don't know how you adjust for population there, but they appear to be similar.

Slightly on topic/off topic, but I was home sick earlier in the week, and watched And the Band Played On, about the start of the AIDS epidemic.

Oh boy, it brought back memories to a crazy time.

Deadly virus, nobody had answers, and when they did, the government refused to talk about it.

Huge resistance from the gay community to adjust to the new realities.

And worst of all, a large segment of the population who was hoping "the gay cancer" would actually spread quicker.

I had forgotten what a turbulent time it was.

Great movie.
- Atomic Wedgie

Scary time for sure, (frank)ed up how people refuse to change. Education is important.

I was reading on it the other day actually...Africa has the majority of the AIDS population? I can't remember the number but it shockingly high.

I don't think he hits 70 on any other team, or ever again.

that was a massive departure from what he's historically been.
- BINGO!

I don't know, I do know the injuries really limited him this season.

His goal totals last year were elevated. Frankly I was shocked at how many weak goals he scored. I would expect him to average around 10. I would, though, still expect his assist totals to be in the 50+ range. I can't see how he doesn't stay in that 70 point range on a team as offensively minded as this one.

I would think that next year, in particular, with Barrie departing and Rielly being healthy, you'll see him again put up very high point totals because he'll be the one expected to do it and given every opportunity to do so.
- Monkeypunk

Remember Gary Leeman in 1989-90?

Good times.

The one year.....he was really good a scoring.
His D was still meh.
- Fakepartofme

Last season, he was a +24 and only took 7 minor penalties.. he had really good numbers last year.

Scary time for sure, (frank)ed up how people refuse to change. Education is important.

I was reading on it the other day actually...Africa has the majority of the AIDS population? I can't remember the number but it shockingly high.
- Santo_44

It's always been that way. Since day 1.

Lack of birth control.

Lack of education.

Lack of medical resources.

I'm well aware of the Lunar New Year and my unknown comment was misinterpreting what you said.

So far, it's been less deadly than SARs, but with a sample like this that doesn't really mean it isn't though either. It has also disproportionately affected older people as opposed to younger people.

My point is that both of these diseases are both coronaviruses. The outbreak, like you admit, is probably more like 6,000. SARs was a estimated total of 3,800. I don't know how you adjust for population there, but they appear to be similar.
- RickJames77

Most common colds are coronaviruses.

I think there are some similarities for sure...On enough levels to look into it by the general population? I don't think so. Yet at least.

And as for Lunar New year yeah...a country of 1.4 billion people, people from all over the world and China wanting to go home to Wuhan for the celebration...Yeah it makes a lot of sense why they are not letting people leave or enter the city.

The one year.....he was really good a scoring.
His D was still meh.
- Fakepartofme

I think you're being negative to be negative. You know what you have in Rielly.

John Carlson sucks at D.
Erik Karlsson sucks at D.
PK Subban sucks at D.
Yandle sucks at D.
Barrie sucks at D.
Letang sucks at D.

. . . most rovers aren't very good at D, because they're not where they're supposed to be to play D. It's also not the skill they've spent most of their time developing.

Some guys like Burns, Josi, Hedman, Pietrangelo, Jones to name a few are decent as offensive D-Men, but they also play a less roving style. But even in there, Burns is probably more of a rover than the company he's listed with, but less than the aforementioned - and as a result, he's better at D, but still not good.

It's always been that way. Since day 1.

Lack of birth control.

Lack of education.

Lack of medical resources.
- Atomic Wedgie

Probably why you can go work abroad as a doctor their and make a (frank) ton of money

Strong statement for you to make....What is you evidence?

I've read articles on both sides. And mainly the worry seems to be Chinese New Year which is in 2 days. Have you considered that plays a role in these shutdowns? It is a massive celebration for travel.

And unknown? I didn't say that.

What we do know is the solid data we are getting is from extreme cases. We don't have any data on moderate to minor cases. I am sure we will get some now that people are going to the hospital over a fever.

Like I said that 600 cases is probably more like 6000.
- Santo_44

It's really not a strong statmeent also:

Further government reaction to the emerging disease, however, was delayed by the problems of information flow within the Chinese hierarchy. For 3 days, there were no authorized provincial health officials available to open the document. After the document was finally read, the provincial bureau distributed a bulletin to hospitals across the province. However, few health workers were alerted by the bulletin because most were on vacation for the Chinese New Year (Pomfret, 2003a). In the meantime, the public was kept uninformed about the disease. According to the Implementing Regulations on the State Secrets Law regarding the handling of public health–related information, any occurrence of infectious diseases should be classified as a state secret before they are “announced by the Ministry of Health or organs authorized by the Ministry.” In other words, until such time as the Ministry chose to make information about the disease public, any physician or journalist who reported on the disease would risk being persecuted for leaking state secrets (Li et al., 1999). A virtual news blackout about SARS thus continued well into February.

The initial failure to inform the public heightened anxieties, fear, and widespread speculation. On February 8, reports about a “deadly flu” began to be sent via short messages on mobile phones in Guangzhou. In the evening, words like bird flu and anthrax started to appear on some local Internet sites (South China Morning Post, 2003). On February 10, a circular appeared in the local media that acknowledged the presence of the disease and listed some preventive measures, including improving ventilation, using vinegar fumes to disinfect the air, and washing hands frequently. Responding to the advice, residents in Guangzhou and other cities cleared pharmacy shelves of antibiotics and flu medication. In some cities, even the vinegar was sold out. The panic spread quickly in Guangdong, and was felt even in other provinces.

On February 11, Guangdong health officials finally broke the silence by holding press conferences about the disease. The provincial health officials reported a total of 305 atypical pneumonia cases in the province. The officials also admitted that there were no effective drugs to treat the disease and that the outbreak was only tentatively contained (Nanfang zhoumu, 2003). From then on, information about the disease was reported to the public through the news media. Yet in the meantime, the government played down the risk of the illness. Guangzhou city government on February 11 went so far as to announce the illness was “comprehensively” under effective control (Renmin wang, 2003b). As a result, while the panic was temporarily allayed, the public also lost vigilance about the disease. When some reports began to question the government’s handling of the outbreak, the provincial propaganda bureau again halted reporting on the disease on February 23. This news blackout continued during the run-up to the National People’s Congress in March, and government authorities shared little information with the World Health Organization until early April.

The continuing news blackout not only restricted the flow of information to the public but contributed to the government’s failure to take further actions to address the looming catastrophe. Here it is worth noting that the Law on Prevention and Treatment of Infectious Diseases (enacted in September 1989) contains a number of significant loopholes. First, provincial governments are obliged to publicize epidemics in a timely and accurate manner only after being authorized by the Ministry of Health (Article 23). Second, atypical pneumonia was not listed in the law as an infectious disease under surveillance, and thus local government officials legally were not accountable for reporting the disease. While the law allows for the addition of new items to the list, it does not specify the procedures through which new diseases can be added. Both of these factors provided disincentives for the government to effectively respond to the crisis. In fact, the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention did not issue a nationwide bulletin to hospitals on how to prevent the ailment from spreading until April 3, and it was not until mid-April that the government formally listed SARS as a disease to be closely monitored and reported on a daily basis under the Law of Prevention and Treatment of Infectious Diseases.

Most common colds are coronaviruses.

I think there are some similarities for sure...On enough levels to look into it by the general population? I don't think so. Yet at least.

And as for Lunar New year yeah...a country of 1.4 billion people, people from all over the world and China wanting to go home to Wuhan for the celebration...Yeah it makes a lot of sense why they are not letting people leave or enter the city.
- Santo_44

The SARS outbreak also happened during the Lunar New Year.

Goal totals:

2
8
9
6
6
20

and on pace for 7 this year.

One of these things is not like the others.

He went from "consistent, minute munching puck mover" to "Offensive juggernaut" for one season and now is back to where he was before.
- BINGO!

yeah that 20 was some outlier

I don't really care how many goals my defencemen get - it's all about points.

His numbers were pretty consistent the past two years - it's just this year he's been injured.

20 goals last year was a aberration - everyone will agree to that.

But I don't think it takes too many sips of blue Kool-aid to believe he can be a consistent 50ish poinst per year guy for the next few years (if healthy).
- Atomic Wedgie

counter point. Defensman goals and points dont really matter

Remember Gary Leeman in 1989-90?

Good times.
- Atomic Wedgie

I prefer to think of Gary Leeman on January 2, 1992.

I don't think they did PDO in 1989, but if they did it would have broken the computers at the time to try and calculate it.

"Why is my PET on fire?"
"You can't do THAT type of math! This isn't rocket science, it's nerd sports! You fool!"

what about the lame wraparound and the firstgoal scored from the stands
- senstroll

the first goal was a fluke. it was a missed shot that worked out to be a perfect pass from behind the net. very high % shot from there. but - the puck went in the zone from the opening faceoff and that was 3rd shot attempt in the first 20 seconds of the game by the hawks; all from the same zone entry. get the (frank)ing puck out of the zone.

2nd goal - toews walked around some pylon and got into a very high % shooting spot 1 on 1 with freddy; to me the type of play freddy is weak on.

3rd goal - a completely moronic spin-o-rama at his own blueline by johnsson - should have been benched for that poop. lead to a turnover. saad walks right in on freddy. See toews goal from there.

wraparound goal was all around complete ass. toews walks around lazy ass marner to get the zone. idk wtf marincin was doing, but nothing useful. but still should have been an easy save.

5th - another moronic turnover. this time by loljegren at the hawks blueline. leads to a even rush coming back; but then somehow into a partial breakaway as lazy ass marner loses his man. still - freddy should have had this one. you have to come up with something. this was the make a (frank)ing save goal to keep your team in it.

last - a lazy ass turnover by lazy ass marner at the hawks blueline. toews walks around lazy ass marner to get the zone. one-timer out of the air. just an awesome goal. can't put that one on freddy.

tldr:

wraparound was poop, first goal was a fluke. players made a ton of dumb/lazy mistakes, particularly lazy ass marner. freddy needed to make 2 more saves to keep his team in it.

Scary time for sure, (frank)ed up how people refuse to change. Education is important.

I was reading on it the other day actually...Africa has the majority of the AIDS population? I can't remember the number but it shockingly high.
- Santo_44

So many franked up things from the times (you have to laugh, because it keeps you from crying):

- Ronald Reagan did not publicly utter the word "AIDS" until 1985, and not in a speech until 1987
- Ron Reagan Jr. taking a leading position on promoting AIDS prevention education - while his father was president - and urging people to "contact their congressman - or someone higher up" to get the word out
- people resisting education on safe sex, because it was somehow felt that this was promoting homosexuality (it was a really franked up time).
- people calling 911 for anything AIDS-related, kids being banned from schools, etc.

Hell, I remember my junior high school gym teacher during health/sex ed, telling us that herpes was the STD you needed to worry about, because there was no cure. There was also this new thing called AIDS, but we didn't have to worry, "...because none of you guys are gay or Haitian."

The SARS outbreak also happened during the Lunar New Year.
- RickJames77

So? That was 17 years ago.

They should of shutdown cities then. They are doing it now, I am happy that 17 years later we have advanced and learned from our mistakes.

Applies to your previous post as well.

So? That was 17 years ago.

They should of shutdown cities then. They are doing it now, I am happy that 17 years later we have advanced and learned from our mistakes.
- Santo_44

Ok, then what about my giant leap of Government inactivity you asked me to prove and then promptly ignored?

I agree with you, Santo, they're doing the right thing. But they often distort numbers and still like to hide the truth to save face. A lot of nations do. But when you have statewide restrictions on media, tv, and the internet you can hide a lot. They learned from the SARs outbreak and are doing what they should have 17 years ago. My first point of saying this is quite similar is not a stretch, like you said it was.

So? That was 17 years ago.

They should of shutdown cities then. They are doing it now, I am happy that 17 years later we have advanced and learned from our mistakes.

Applies to your previous post as well.
- Santo_44

Or like when everyone - including Han and Chewy - tried to return to Kashyyyk for Life Day.

So many franked up things from the times (you have to laugh, because it keeps you from crying):

- Ronald Reagan did not publicly utter the word "AIDS" until 1985, and not in a speech until 1987
- Ron Reagan Jr. taking a leading position on promoting AIDS prevention education - while his father was president - and urging people to "contact their congressman - or someone higher up" to get the word out
- people resisting education on safe sex, because it was somehow felt that this was promoting homosexuality (it was a really franked up time).
- people calling 911 for anything AIDS-related, kids being banned from schools, etc.

Hell, I remember my junior high school gym teacher during health/sex ed, telling us that herpes was the STD you needed to worry about, because there was no cure. There was also this new thing called AIDS, but we didn't have to worry, "...because none of you guys are gay or Haitian."
- Atomic Wedgie

They just know based on looking at you. so (frank)ed

I know people like to say "the world is so (frank)ed up now." I like to think we have came a long way and are slightly less (frank)ed up than we were 50 years ago.

I don't know if you have ever done research on Lobotomies...But that was a (frank)ed up time as well.

One women got one because she liked to sleep with the light on. Her husband and doctors were convinced she was crazy for it.

This was in the 50s-60s...Not even that long ago.

Just posted this in another thread

https://www.hockeyfeed.co...AcpqHGf69xmuQIW8D2j7C--jw

Id do Johnson and Ceci for this. Not sure if/why the Wild would