http://forum.canucks.com/topic/332261-what-do-nhl-players-make-after-taxes-in-all-30-cities/
- Ross77

That's nearly 10 years old now.

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The difference between most places is pretty minimal.

For a guy like Wheeler who makes $10 million per, the difference works out to somewhere around $250-$500k either way for the majority of markets, an amount that can be mitigated by write-offs fairly easily.

The only real exception is Florida and Vegas, where he'd take home $1 million more per year than in Winnipeg.
- BINGO!

Do you think the weather factors in at all? Carolina might also have a disadvantage due to the fact that seemingly a lot of players want to play in big market cities. Or do you think that is not a factor for many players?

Let's be real for a moment.......if you were not from Winnipeg, and you had an opportunity to choose a city to live in, would you choose Winnipeg ?
Bear in mind, that money is not an issue in this.

Do you think the weather factors in at all? Carolina might also have a disadvantage due to the fact that seemingly a lot of players want to play in big market cities. Or do you think that is not a factor for many players?
- grahamzky

I think it depends on how you view it. Raleigh's not exactly small, it's metro area being nearly twice the size of Calgary, but it's very spread out and it's not exactly known as a happening place.

I think weather plays a factor, but travel and convenience is a bigger one.

A lot depends on the person too, right?

Dzingel, for example, turned down higher offers elsewhere to go to Raleigh in part because of his Fiance. She works in Golf and for the Golf Channel. Well, Canes owner Tom Dundon owns a PGA course, is the majority owner of TopGolf, and there's a ridiculous number of courses in and around Raleigh.

Signing there gets him paid, and probably helps her in her career as well. Stuff like that comes into play a lot more than we probably imagine.

Let's be real for a moment.......if you were not from Winnipeg, and you had an opportunity to choose a city to live in, would you choose Winnipeg ?
Bear in mind, that money is not an issue in this.
- bennythehat

No. I've been to Winnipeg. It's a great place to visit in the summer, but I live in rural Sask and I wouldn't want to live in Winnipeg.

It's why I laugh at people who want a team in Saskatoon.

It's hard enough to try and convince guys to live in Edmonton or Winnipeg, you think they're going to want to live in (frank)ing Saskatoon? yeesh.

Could you explain why Connor, Ehlers, And Scheifele signed team friendly deals that have them all playing here until they each turn 30? You would think they would want to get the heck out of here as soon as they are eligible to be UFA's.
- TheUltimateJet

I didn't say everyone wants out, but some players don't want to sign here or get traded here and my point was / is, it is likely more difficult to sign a player here vs California, VCR,or where ever.. It is what it is.

As Wheeler states, its one of 31 NHL franchises. I am born and lived here all my life. I like Wpg, although as I age out, I am not liking the winters any more. But, the fact is, Wpg gets bad rap, like it or not but its in the fabric of this country.

Case in point, there is a commercial right now running on air and I don't even remember for which service it is for but the ad says, "if it is cold in Edmonton and even colder in Wpg", blah, blah, blah. So, unfortuneatley folks, Wpg gets a bad rap on daily basis even on current tv ads. It is what it is.

I went for training in Ottawa in 2005 with a federal agency. I get on the elevator on the ground floor with a handful of ppl and a lady asks me, "Are you here for the training?" Yes, I reply. "Well where are you from?" She asks. "WPG" I respond. "I feel so sorry for you!"she says to the laughter of everyone else crammed into this elevator. Now, this all occurred in a matter of 30 seconds on an elelvator with ppl as of 30 seconds before, I have never met.

So, now I am upset because my day hasn't even started yet and I have already been insulted. So, I bit my tonque, didn't say anyhting but I wanted to take on six ppl at that moment. But, I knew I had to pull up my big girl panties and move on because putting Wpg down is sewn into the very fabric of this nation. Unfortunaetley, it is what it is.

But, I like WPG and I like the Jets. But, I do beleive it adds a degree of difficulty in trading for players or signing UFA's for the team. But, it is what it is and its not going to change.

So, we suck it up and move on.

That's nearly 10 years old now.

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- BINGO!

Bingo - I was wrong about you. I thought at first you were trolling the site (my homegrown manitoba insecurity) but you generally have thoughtful insight to provide. thanks and welcome to the site.

When has anyone made the case that hey Winnipeg, TB they are the same. You just have to look at the weather today for both and see they are not.
It's a known fact that all things being equal a player who has a choice probably will not choose Winnipeg
But the majority of players don't have a choice and it's on Chevy to make those moves to improve the team.
Examples on defense just from the draft to today
Scandella, Jokiharju, Barrie, Miller, De Haan

I think it depends on how you view it. Raleigh's not exactly small, it's metro area being nearly twice the size of Calgary, but it's very spread out and it's not exactly known as a happening place.

I think weather plays a factor, but travel and convenience is a bigger one.

A lot depends on the person too, right?

Dzingel, for example, turned down higher offers elsewhere to go to Raleigh in part because of his Fiance. She works in Golf and for the Golf Channel. Well, Canes owner Tom Dundon owns a PGA course, is the majority owner of TopGolf, and there's a ridiculous number of courses in and around Raleigh.

Signing there gets him paid, and probably helps her in her career as well. Stuff like that comes into play a lot more than we probably imagine.
- BINGO!

Yes Carolina is big in size population wise, but doesn't have the "big market" phrase attached to it, like say New York, Boston etc. which probably plays a factor in some players' decisions.

Yes, I've golfed in Carolina - never came across a bad course. Might be small factor, but then again there some pretty good golf courses here as well, but not nearly as many.

As a player, New York, Boston, Washington , Los Angeles, San Jose etc. would be at the bottom of my list. Rather for play in Canada, were hockey is #1 in a lot of people's hearts - not all of course.

Like they say, different strokes for different folks!

Bingo - I was wrong about you. I thought at first you were trolling the site (my homegrown manitoba insecurity) but you generally have thoughtful insight to provide. thanks and welcome to the site.
- 2.0

I agree. Bingo does provide thoughtful insight from an outside perspective. The avatar is interesting as well.

Let's be real for a moment.......if you were not from Winnipeg, and you had an opportunity to choose a city to live in, would you choose Winnipeg ?
Bear in mind, that money is not an issue in this.
- bennythehat

I think there is a deliberate strategy by management to bias players that either have geographical or past team connections to other players (ie Trouba, Copp, Roslovic, Connor). Also see this bias with Minnesota connections (Poolman, Pionk, Thoseotherguys).

Jets also seem keen to keep some Fins around while there has been less russians/czechs over the years. I don't see this as a nationalistic prejudice but rather a strategy to foster relationships around Winnipeg that likely extends to players family connections as well. Its a long term play to make winnipeg more attractive to some groups of players. Obviously this is not a power move but it is playing the hand we have been dealt by geography, demographics and economics.

Player 'fit' becomes as big a consideration as ability and may often tip the balance when scouting players. There is likely to be less player movement, with moves being made when critical (Kane, Bogo, Lemieux, Mason, Trouba) rather than more whimsically. Treating players and their families as stakeholders who are important rather than commodities with a skill set is debateable as a strategy but it is definitely honorable and builds loyalty and pride.

sort of related thought: We could probably make a trade to aquire and keep Hamonic around but may get to sign him without giving up assets in the off-season when he is UFA.

what if the answer is, cause they like Maurice and Chevy, what do you do now ultimate?
- Ross77

I think that's great! Maybe they could spread the word to the rest of the league about what likable gentlemen both are and have them sign here.

What do you think of that?

No. I've been to Winnipeg. It's a great place to visit in the summer, but I live in rural Sask and I wouldn't want to live in Winnipeg.

It's why I laugh at people who want a team in Saskatoon.

It's hard enough to try and convince guys to live in Edmonton or Winnipeg, you think they're going to want to live in (frank)ing Saskatoon? yeesh.
- BINGO!

BINGO!, you are awesome!

I think there is a deliberate strategy by management to bias players that either have geographical or past team connections to other players (ie Trouba, Copp, Roslovic, Connor). Also see this bias with Minnesota connections (Poolman, Pionk, Thoseotherguys).

Jets also seem keen to keep some Fins around while there has been less russians/czechs over the years. I don't see this as a nationalistic prejudice but rather a strategy to foster relationships around Winnipeg that likely extends to players family connections as well. Its a long term play to make winnipeg more attractive to some groups of players. Obviously this is not a power move but it is playing the hand we have been dealt by geography, demographics and economics.

Player 'fit' becomes as big a consideration as ability and may often tip the balance when scouting players. There is likely to be less player movement, with moves being made when critical (Kane, Bogo, Lemieux, Mason, Trouba) rather than more whimsically. Treating players and their families as stakeholders who are important rather than commodities with a skill set is debateable as a strategy but it is definitely honorable and builds loyalty and pride.

sort of related thought: We could probably make a trade to aquire and keep Hamonic around but may get to sign him without giving up assets in the off-season when he is UFA.
- 2.0

My only question around this point is why is Chevy not targeting players from Saskatchewan, Manitoba and Northeastern Ontario?

I didn't say everyone wants out, but some players don't want to sign here or get traded here and my point was / is, it is likely more difficult to sign a player here vs California, VCR,or where ever.. It is what it is.

As Wheeler states, its one of 31 NHL franchises. I am born and lived here all my life. I like Wpg, although as I age out, I am not liking the winters any more. But, the fact is, Wpg gets bad rap, like it or not but its in the fabric of this country.

Case in point, there is a commercial right now running on air and I don't even remember for which service it is for but the ad says, "if it is cold in Edmonton and even colder in Wpg", blah, blah, blah. So, unfortuneatley folks, Wpg gets a bad rap on daily basis even on current tv ads. It is what it is.

I went for training in Ottawa in 2005 with a federal agency. I get on the elevator on the ground floor with a handful of ppl and a lady asks me, "Are you here for the training?" Yes, I reply. "Well where are you from?" She asks. "WPG" I respond. "I feel so sorry for you!"she says to the laughter of everyone else crammed into this elevator. Now, this all occurred in a matter of 30 seconds on an elelvator with ppl as of 30 seconds before, I have never met.

So, now I am upset because my day hasn't even started yet and I have already been insulted. So, I bit my tonque, didn't say anyhting but I wanted to take on six ppl at that moment. But, I knew I had to pull up my big girl panties and move on because putting Wpg down is sewn into the very fabric of this nation. Unfortunaetley, it is what it is.

But, I like WPG and I like the Jets. But, I do beleive it adds a degree of difficulty in trading for players or signing UFA's for the team. But, it is what it is and its not going to change.

So, we suck it up and move on.
- CharlieDog

I work in the service industry. It appears you have lots of hurt feelings about what was said. Perhaps we can meet one day to allow you work through this past experience?

No. I've been to Winnipeg. It's a great place to visit in the summer, but I live in rural Sask and I wouldn't want to live in Winnipeg.

It's why I laugh at people who want a team in Saskatoon.

It's hard enough to try and convince guys to live in Edmonton or Winnipeg, you think they're going to want to live in (frank)ing Saskatoon? yeesh.
- BINGO!

Where in rural Sask?

Where in rural Sask?
- Ross77

Southwest

I work in the service industry. It appears you have lots of hurt feelings about what was said. Perhaps we can meet one day to allow you work through this past experience?
- TheUltimateJet

I am ok now and have recovered, thx. Unless you are buying the beer and wings?

Given that there is a bias against living in Winnipeg, True North does it's best to run a first class organization and that's why players re-sign here. Sure, there are exceptions to this, like Trouba who had his reasons, and others that just got much better/sillier offers from other teams.

Given that there is a bias against living in Winnipeg, True North does it's best to run a first class organization and that's why players re-sign here. Sure, there are exceptions to this, like Trouba who had his reasons, and others that just got much better/sillier offers from other teams.
- bennythehat

You bet!

Given that there is a bias against living in Winnipeg, True North does it's best to run a first class organization and that's why players re-sign here. Sure, there are exceptions to this, like Trouba who had his reasons, and others that just got much better/sillier offers from other teams.
- bennythehat

Certainly, this is true.

I would guess that a lot of players don't want to come to Wpg because of weather, taxes or whatever perception they might have. Funny thing is most players say after being in Wpg that they've enjoyed it - and quite a few stay and play, or would like to stay. Any place you live, it's what you make of it.

I believe Chevy said when he came here that he wanted to draft good character players, and I would think he has kept his word. If a player (E. Kane good example) doesn't want to be here - we don't want him here.

Certainly, this is true.

I would guess that a lot of players don't want to come to Wpg because of weather, taxes or whatever perception they might have. Funny thing is most players say after being in Wpg that they've enjoyed it - and quite a few stay and play, or would like to stay. Any place you live, it's what you make of it.

I believe Chevy said when he came here that he wanted to draft good character players, and I would think he has kept his word. If a player (E. Kane good example) doesn't want to be here - we don't want him here.
- grahamzky

Look no further than Morrissey as a prime example.

Southwest
- BINGO!

I travel throughout southern sask but not with west corner to often. Regina a lot, estevan, Weyburn, swift from time to time, be cool to talk hockey

When we getting everyone together for wings again? I missed the last one, like a Richard

When we getting everyone together for wings again? I missed the last one, like a Richard
- Rexypoo

where's Atlanta? liverpool?