We actually have a lot of D in the system but you can not predict how fast they make the NHL. Chevy did want Samberg this year but he said no. 1290 reported chevy offered more money to Gardiner but he choose Carolina. They also reported he offered Carolina a deal for Faulk. It was also reported when the jets have asked about top 4 D the ask has been Ehlers plus!!! Ehlers plus!!! That’s crazy. Glad he hasn’t pulled the trigger

Is Chevy partially to blame, of course but thinking he’s done nothing or hasn’t tried. Is nuts.

Also has he not developed the following players into nhls’ers; connor, Ehlers, Laine, Shiefele, Roslovic, Morrisey, Poolman, Niku, Lowry, Copp, harkins, appleton, Helle?? You make it sound like we don’t develop anyone? And don’t point out the first rounders cause teams miss on first rounders every year!!!
- Ross77

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I agree Ross.I don't know the teams that have done much better? I'm not sure there are any. I also don't see any GM constantly reporting to the fans of their team what they are doing on a daily basis or what deals they are working. The fact is Winnipeg is not a desired location for most players / coaches etc thus making trades all that much more difficult. Finally there have been few trades of any significance this past year suggesting the overall difficulty of doing so and the reality of making a significant difference.

Wow 2.0, I love checkers.

I really do want to work for you one day. I can just imagine my day.

-I would give you no answers about what I did all day.
-I would take credit for all my colleagues work.
-I could bully my co-workers with no repercussions.
-I would give you false promises about future performance.
-And, now I get to play my favorite game in the world!

2.0 for boss of the year!
- TheUltimateJet

send me a resume and i will *ahem* consider it

send me a resume and i will *ahem* consider it
- 2.0

We will exchange details next time we all meet up for wings!

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I agree Ross.I don't know the teams that have done much better? I'm not sure there are any. I also don't see any GM constantly reporting to the fans of their team what they are doing on a daily basis or what deals they are working. The fact is Winnipeg is not a desired location for most players / coaches etc thus making trades all that much more difficult. Finally there have been few trades of any significance this past year suggesting the overall difficulty of doing so and the reality of making a significant difference.
- justsaying

Does every team not work under the same cap structure? How many players have turned down a deal to make more money in Winnipeg than go play somewhere else? The PA and agents will always instruct their players to go for the most money as taking less would cause ripples in the brotherhood.

I think some of you fella's are still living in the 90's!

What's so ignorant about it? I remember Chevy saying in the first year this franchise moved here that the Jets would never have to rely on trades or free agency as we would always have capable players in the minors that would be ready to take spots on the big roster. He has failed to live up to what he said. He still has not found suitable replacements for Wheeler, Little and Byfuglien and the franchise has been here for 9 years!
- TheUltimateJet

He also said in that same speech when the team is ready to challenge for a cup he would and has as evident by trading away first round picks and prospects. So it seems you are cherry picking parts of speeches to suite your argument.


Wheeler is being replaced by Ehlers, connor, Laine,
Little has been replaced by Sheifele
Buff has been replaced by Morrisey

Sorry ultimate, I stand by my earlier comment about ignorance. One team wins the cup, that’s it, one teAm every year. Everyone else losses and subsequently all those fan bases can claim if we only would have done this or that it could have been us.

Does every team not work under the same cap structure? How many players have turned down a deal to make more money in Winnipeg than go play somewhere else? The PA and agents will always instruct their players to go for the most money as taking less would cause ripples in the brotherhood.

I think some of you fella's are still living in the 90's!
- TheUltimateJet

Seems many want to keep making excuses and what's with the idea that if there's no bigger substantial trade to make then doing nothing other then waiver wire claims is perfectly okay?

I'd be pretty cool with Chevy making a couple minor trades to improve the defense or bottom 6 and I think that's all it'd take to get better on ice results, that and better systems, the systems they run suck and won't work.

I just don't get this line of thinking where it's gotta be for example say an Ehlers or Connor for Pulock type deal or absolutely nothing, not every trade needs to be some blockbuster trade.
Like really if the Jets pro scouts can't identify a Kempny type dman that wouldn't cost more then a mid round pick to acquire maybe they need to be replaced.

Does every team not work under the same cap structure? How many players have turned down a deal to make more money in Winnipeg than go play somewhere else? The PA and agents will always instruct their players to go for the most money as taking less would cause ripples in the brotherhood.

I think some of you fella's are still living in the 90's!
- TheUltimateJet

I literally just said 1290 reported onair Gardiner turned down more money from us to sign in Carlolina. I honestly think I could give you another 5 examples but you’d stand pat on your opinion, so I’ll give up.

We will exchange details next time we all meet up for wings!
- TheUltimateJet

I wanna be at this meeting. Assistant GM Rexy?

I literally just said 1290 reported onair Gardiner turned down more money from us to sign in Carlolina. I honestly think I could give you another 5 examples but you’d stand pat on your opinion, so I’ll give up.
- Ross77

How much money are we talking about Ross? 200K? 500K 1M?

Seems many want to keep making excuses and what's with the idea that if there's no bigger substantial trade to make then doing nothing other then waiver wire claims is perfectly okay?

I'd be pretty cool with Chevy making a couple minor trades to improve the defense or bottom 6 and I think that's all it'd take to get better on ice results, that and better systems, the systems they run suck and won't work.

I just don't get this line of thinking where it's gotta be for example say an Ehlers or Connor for Pulock type deal or absolutely nothing, not every trade needs to be some blockbuster trade.
Like really if the Jets pro scouts can't identify a Kempny type dman that wouldn't cost more then a mid round pick to acquire maybe they need to be replaced.
- JetFuel

Further to your point. Christian Djoos who has been described as being superior to Sbisa was also on waiver at the beginning of the season and is currently playing in the minors.

I literally just said 1290 reported onair Gardiner turned down more money from us to sign in Carlolina. I honestly think I could give you another 5 examples but you’d stand pat on your opinion, so I’ll give up.
- Ross77

Has that been confirmed or were they just repeating a rumor they heard? Cause I recall the 1290 morning show host claiming a source close to Trouba told him that things had changed and he was willing to sign a long term deal with the Jets.. Lol

If that is true it makes me wonder if they had another trade lined up to move some money out cause I'm pretty sure they wouldn't of had the cap space for Gardiner or did they know about this Buff situation the whole time and that's where the cap space would've came from to sign Gardiner.

Further to your point. Christian Djoos who has been described as being superior to Sbisa was also on waiver at the beginning of the season and is currently playing in the minors.
- TheUltimateJet

Yup I remember wondering why they didn't claim
Djoos rather then Dahlstrom though I haven't minded Dahlstrom when he's played but why not claim the guy who won a cup and played 22 playoff games to help win that cup? Djoos makes a bit more like $400k but that's nothing really, even their waiver claims are confusing.. Lol

Yup I remember wondering why they didn't claim
Djoos rather then Dahlstrom though I haven't minded Dahlstrom when he's played but why not claim the guy who won a cup and played 22 playoff games to help win that cup? Djoos makes a bit more like $400k but that's nothing really, even their waiver claims are confusing.. Lol
- JetFuel

Perhaps he was placed on waivers during one of Chevy’s many days off?

Lol

He also said in that same speech when the team is ready to challenge for a cup he would and has as evident by trading away first round picks and prospects. So it seems you are cherry picking parts of speeches to suite your argument.


Wheeler is being replaced by Ehlers, connor, Laine,
Little has been replaced by Sheifele
Buff has been replaced by Morrisey

Sorry ultimate, I stand by my earlier comment about ignorance. One team wins the cup, that’s it, one teAm every year. Everyone else losses and subsequently all those fan bases can claim if we only would have done this or that it could have been us.
- Ross77

Wheeler, Little and Buff are all still under contract with the Jets none have been replaced.

Wheeler is a great example of Chevy's failure. You have a 21 year old 30 goal scorer, a 20 year old 44 goal scorer and a 32 year old 91 point producer. All are wingers and free agents in a year and in a cap world there is only so much dollars to go around. In the Jets case they were going to have around 24 million in cap space and have Trouba, Myers, Chiarot or half their defense as free agents.
The hard choice would have been to let Wheeler play out his contract and let him walk and put that money in defense. They didn't and the defense out there today is what the Jets have plus Buff which probably meant the Jets were only a fringe playoff contender.

Perhaps he was placed on waivers during one of Chevy’s many days off?

Lol
- TheUltimateJet

Nope both placed on waivers the same day.
Why not claim both and demote Bitetto?

Nope both placed on waivers the same day.
Why not claim both and demote Bitetto?
- JetFuel

Bitetto has a great sense of humour, which coach Maurice deems to be important. I always think that the team could save a few bucks and make a deal with Rumours Comedy Club and have their comedians come and perform for the team prior to each game. A buddy of mine suggested that the team get support dogs as they bring joy to people as well.

All I have learned is that: a sense of humour can take you a long way!

I literally just said 1290 reported onair Gardiner turned down more money from us to sign in Carlolina. I honestly think I could give you another 5 examples but you’d stand pat on your opinion, so I’ll give up.
- Ross77

Frolik is another. Sellane was also offered a contract and chose to stay in Anaheim for his last year, and I am not sure if it was more than Anaheims offer, but Selanne said it was generous.

Even Shane Doan publicly stated that if Az went back to Wpg, he wasn't going and would call it a career. The Russian goalie, Brezgalov basically said the same thing that he wasn't going to Wpg.

Jeff O'neil also committed the cardinal sin on TSN and received much flak, including from myself, when he stated "No one wants to sign in Wpg". He took alot of flak for this by breaking the code of stating something on air that is reality, but not supposed to be stated as the statement undermines the organization and the leaque to an extent. But, he said it, and has never ventured back to that subject since.

And btw, if you think this is a Jets 2.0 issue, it is not. Going back to the days of 1.0, Dave Christian was the exact same situation as Trouba except in todays NHL, teams have more control for a longer period of time, thus, Trouba stayed as long as he did as the team had control throughout the ELC / RFA period (see Evander Kane). Christian left a lot sooner then Trouba did but the situation was the same, he simply didn't want to live or play here.

If anyone thinks that Wpg as a "hockey destination" doesn't have a negative influencing factor on players coming here, then you are dreaming. To what level the negative impact is, I don't know but it's real. And, bear in mind, the GM is not going to publicy state, we offered so and so this much but he said no because it is Wpg, dark, cold, taxation high, nothing to do there, no internet, etc.

How much money are we talking about Ross? 200K? 500K 1M?
- TheUltimateJet

Don't forget that Wpg's salary has to be higher to start with as our socialist province needs to create revenue through taxation. Thus, someone earning lesser salary in Florida or Vegas earns more because of our provinces excessive socialized taxation system.

Frolik is another. Sellane was also offered a contract and chose to stay in Anaheim for his last year, and I am not sure if it was more than Anaheims offer, but Selanne said it was generous.

Even Shane Doan publicly stated that if Az went back to Wpg, he wasn't going and would call it a career. The Russian goalie, Brezgalov basically said the same thing that he wasn't going to Wpg.

If anyone thinks that Wpg as a "hockey destination" doesn't have a negative influencing factor on players coming here, then you are dreaming. To what level the negative impact is, I don't know but it's real. And, bear in mind, the GM is not going to publicy state, we offered so and so this much but he said no because it is Wpg, cold, taxation high, nothing to do there, no internet, etc.
- CharlieDog

Certainly Winnipeg is not on the top of the list for NHL players wanting to play in the NHL. It is a known fact, and we have one strike, or two, against us in any bidding war.

Considering that fact I believe we have done pretty damn well in forming a competitive, exciting team. And no, we might not make the playoffs this year, but there are 14 other teams just like us.

What kind of bugs me is that aspiring NHL players will almost trip over each other wanting to come to Canada to play in the Junior leagues to learn and develop their game, and then when they get to the big show, they want as little to do with Canadian teams (of course not in all cases) as possible.

But what can you do? I might be the same if I was in their situation. The tax factor is huge, as you mention.

But Canadian GM's are at a disadvantage especially in Edmonton, Calgary, Ottawa, Winnipeg and Vancouver.

Still the Winnipeg Jets, in my case, have provided hundreds of hours of entertainment - win or lose - and I am appreciative of that fact.

Don't forget that Wpg's salary has to be higher to start with as our socialist province needs to create revenue through taxation. Thus, someone earning lesser salary in Florida or Vegas earns more because of our provinces excessive socialized taxation system.
- CharlieDog

Could you explain why Connor, Ehlers, And Scheifele signed team friendly deals that have them all playing here until they each turn 30? You would think they would want to get the heck out of here as soon as they are eligible to be UFA's.

Don't forget that Wpg's salary has to be higher to start with as our socialist province needs to create revenue through taxation. Thus, someone earning lesser salary in Florida or Vegas earns more because of our provinces excessive socialized taxation system.
- CharlieDog

The tax rate in Winnipeg is lower than in Ontario, Quebec and California.

Could you explain why Connor, Ehlers, And Scheifele signed team friendly deals that have them all playing here until they each turn 30? You would think they would want to get the heck out of here as soon as they are eligible to be UFA's.
- TheUltimateJet

what if the answer is, cause they like Maurice and Chevy, what do you do now ultimate?

The tax rate in Winnipeg is lower than in Ontario, Quebec and California.
- BINGO!

so 7th worst in the NHL, well that makes it sooooo much better then

The tax rate in Winnipeg is lower than in Ontario, Quebec and California.
- BINGO!

http://forum.canucks.com/...r-taxes-in-all-30-cities/


https://gavingroup.ca/nhl-tax-calculator/

so 7th worst in the NHL, well that makes it sooooo much better then
- Ross77

The difference between most places is pretty minimal.

For a guy like Wheeler who makes $10 million per, the difference works out to somewhere around $250-$500k either way for the majority of markets, an amount that can be mitigated by write-offs fairly easily.

The only real exception is Florida and Vegas, where he'd take home $1 million more per year than in Winnipeg.